Stewart Mandel fail

Submitted by Gulogulo37 on

It seems a lot of people rip Stewart Mandel, but I think he's ok RELATIVE TO other sportswriters. His mailbag is about the only thing on college football I read besides mgoblog. That being said, the last couple of weeks have involved a discussion about who one should root for when two teams face each other: the team you grew up with or your alma mater. Mandel thinks it's clearly your alma mater. Others disagreed in this week's mailbag, with one fan saying he lived and died Texas football for 18 years. Mandel counters that "college is such a formative time in a person's life". LOL. Uh, yea, because the first 18 years are pretty insignificant.

So what do you think? I was raised a Michigan fan through and through (essentially all of my family and an older brother who would punish me for failing Michigan quizzes) and couldn't imagine rooting for another team to beat Michigan no matter where I went to school or lived.

Youper94

September 16th, 2010 at 7:29 AM ^

My sister went to State when I went to First grade, so I grew up cheering for State. Most of my family went to State. When I decided on a school Michigan was just a better fit for me.

Once I went to Michigan, I could never cheer against my classmates. I could never be a traitor to my friends. Michigan was my school. Michigan is my Alma Mater. If Michigan has losing seasons for the next 20 years, I will cheer for Michigan.

I still hope State does well, except when they play Michigan. I have no problem with people that didn't go to Michigan cheering for Michigan. I do find it strange that some people can cheer against their own school. I could never do that.

 

 

expatriate

September 16th, 2010 at 8:14 AM ^

I actually grew up a fan of UVA and Michigan, but it went firmly in the Michigan camp when I went to UM (I now couldn't care less about the Wahoos).  My first game at Michigan Stadium was to see UVA-Michigan in Lloyd Carr's first game after having the interim tag removed from his title.  My brother is probably a better example- we grew up in Maryland, he went to Maryland, yet he is as big a UM fan as anyone mostly because that's what we grew up with in our family (Dad is an alum).

I think more than anything else it gives you options.  He roots for Maryland basketball even when they play Michigan, but I am pretty sure he would root for Michigan football if they played Maryland.  To him, Maryland basketball is the most important sport to that school, just as football is to Michigan, so there are few conflicts. 

I was excited with the idea of UMD joining the Big Ten though, just because I would love to force my brother to get off the fence and firmly get a side.

jonny_GoBlue

September 16th, 2010 at 8:32 AM ^

If you grew up loving Michigan but ended up going to a different school, you should remain a Michigan fan.

If you grew up rooting for someone else but then came to Michigan, you should be a Michigan fan.

If you grew up rooting for someone else and went someplace besides Michigan, we know that deep down you still want to root for Michigan, so go right ahead and do that.

If you grew up a Michigan fan and ended up going to school there, God bless you.

st barth

September 16th, 2010 at 10:47 AM ^

Alma mater is far more important than any team you "root for".  To be a "fan" of Michigan (as opposed to MSU, for example) is not much different than being a "fan" of Target (as opposed to Meijer's)...it's basically just a matter of where you choose to spend your time & money.

But when you are a student/alumnus of a university then you have chosen to be a part of that community (a community which also chose you, i.e., it's mutual).  You, the football team and all other parts of the university are, for better or worse, now linked in the perceptions of others.  It is in your own interest to suport the football team and likewise it is in the interest of the football team to support you.  If we wanted to be extreme about it, we could even consider students/alumni of one school who openly pledge support to another school's football team to be engaging in acts of treason.  That's seems a bit crazy...but maybe not too far from the truth when we consider the reactions at WVU when Coach Rodriguez left.

Being a fan is similar to being a customer or client whereas the relationship with your alma mater is closer to that of a shareholder.  I was a fan of Michigan until I went to school there.  Now that I have both a bachelors and masters degrees from Michigan, I am just as passionate about the University and the football team as I have ever been but I rarely consider myself a fan anymore.  

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I also think that there is another angle to this debate that is somewhat overlooked and that is the relationship of public and private schools.  In the early days of the US, the colleges and university were basically all private institutions (that is to say, without the geographic affiliations of the modern state university).  Hence the idea of "alma mater" and it's rivalries would predate the rise of the large publicly financed schools that began to emerge in the 19th century.  Even then, I doubt that before the emergence of televised football to the masses during the 1950s (or maybe radio a few decades earlier) that many average residents of Michigan would identify themselves as "Michigan fans."

Today, I think it is possible to argue that all (especially tax-paying) residents of a state have an interest in the football teams of the state university and, thus, may actually qualify as having deeper interests than the mere consumer-oriented "fan" that I described above.  Of course by that logic, as a native Michigander, then it might be argued that I'm just as tied into MSU as I am U of M which is a polemic that makes me somewhat uncomfortable.  In other words, I still believe that Mandel is correct, alma mater rules.

MichiganExile

September 16th, 2010 at 8:27 PM ^

Mandel is mostly right. It does get a little trickier though if you attend M for law/medical/grad school as I do (grad school). I root for my alma mater over everyone and I root for Michigan over everyone but my alma mater. It may have helped a bit though that I went to a pretty good football school for undergrad though.

So I guess if you went to a school with fairly weak sports overall maybe rooting against them isn't that big of a deal.

GWUWolverineFan

September 16th, 2010 at 9:40 PM ^

I didn't go to Michigan because of the fact I needed an athletic scholarship to attend college.

Michigan didn't offer my sport, thank you Title 9.

So I was forced to go elsewhere?

Now if GWU and Michigan played in Basketball, I would probably just sit there silent.