Stephen Hopkins - Suspended for WMU?
Simple question: Is Hopkins serving a 1 game suspension?
I've heard no official word. While Hagerup is off the official/unofficial depth charts per his supsension, Hopkins is on the charts. And while Hagerup's suspension was noted on MGoBlue.com, I saw nothing re: Hopkins. I've seen no comment from Hoke, and I'm not certain if anyone has asked the question. Am I overlooking anything?
If true, it would clearly not be a critical suspension, personnel-wise, for purposes of facing Western, with a bunch of other healthy running backs. What I am really wondering about, is the veracity of the people who started the Hopkins-is-going-to-be-suspended rumor a couple of weeks ago.
August 31st, 2011 at 11:44 AM ^
All that you say is useful. I tend to put more creedance in the Board than many, probably. If only because there are a lot of things I do not know and this is my go-to source for information. I don't have time to read other publications (and don't want to read the Free Press) so I appreciate the collective information gathering that goes on. I admit that I did not recognize that the rumor was started by Ace Williams. I should probably look at the source more often . . .
August 31st, 2011 at 11:14 AM ^
Is the content (or lack of it) and the tone of the OP. He could have titled it "Anything to the Hopkins Suspension Rumors?" or "Are these rumor sources legit?" and it would have been far more benign and less inflamatory. He could have linked to the sources of the rumors if the issue is the sources legitimacy.
Rumors are not substantiated by volume if people are just echoing each other. If there are multiple primary sources then yeah...but if someone is floating a rumor and someone else just repeats that, that substantiates nothing.
August 31st, 2011 at 10:47 AM ^
...called "getting out in front of the story." And a lot could happen in three days. Think of how much happend in the three days surrounding August 31, two years ago.
We all just might need to have patience for 3 more days. And that might solve things. I really don't know. Personally, I'd like to see somebody ask Hoke today: "Is Stephen Hopkins suspended for this week's game?" And my hope is that Hoke will say, "No, he is not suspended."
August 31st, 2011 at 10:49 AM ^
is to post on a message board with a ridiculous title. got it. journalism 101, i just 4 pointed ya.
it's like you feel entitled to something. it's genuinely sad.
August 31st, 2011 at 11:59 AM ^
you're probably the dumbest fuck on the internet. Just sayin
August 31st, 2011 at 1:20 PM ^
Not sure what you think it is, but "getting out in front of the story" is not it.
That phrase means to control negative public relations targeted at you for the purpose of mitigating potential damages. But... What are the damages here? So what if some random dudes think he's suspended? So what if they're right?
The public perception leading up to the game has no impact beyond the actual fact of if he's suspended or not. We'll know Saturday, so why bother "getting out in front" at all.
I'd like to see somebody NOT ask Hoke about a random rumor that doesn't make a difference one way or the other if it's out there or not.
August 31st, 2011 at 1:53 PM ^
I mean, certainly a story like that matters to Stephen. And for what it's worth, I and many others have all pointed out that there appears to be no basis for the Hopkins rumor. And I went one step further, saying that I want the rumor to be proven false. I personally think that it would be helpful to Stphen, for Hoke to conclusively shoot it down if it is untrue.
No; the real story that may need to be addressed is page 26 of the February 8 NCAA transcript of the Tressel interview. As reported by one Ace Williams.
Ace Williams told us that "a news story will break before the season starts naming Michigan and Oregon as schools with questionable recruiting practices when pursuing Terrelle Pryor...." And I think that Ace Williams, Terelle Pryor, Jim Tressel and Ted Sarniak are all liars.
August 31st, 2011 at 2:04 PM ^
I had a feeling I'd regret half-heartedly defending you.
So this whole thread was a contrived platform for pointless posturing about some perceived slight against UM (of course while under Rodriguez) by a member of the quasi-media?
August 31st, 2011 at 2:23 PM ^
Period.
I have to say, even I am amazed at the number of people presuming that I somehow wished to injure Hopkins' reputation; that I was somehow promoting this rumor. It almost doesn't matter what I say; comprehension seems to be impaired beyond understanding. I raised a question -- one simple question -- today, so that just perhaps Hoke can be asked about it in one of his last couple of daily pressers before the season begins.
Let's review:
- I asked whether Hopkins had been suspended. It was a question that had been earlier posed on this Board, without too much of a freakout. Based on a published rumor that I had nothing to do with.
- I did not suggest that Hopkins had been suspended.
- I did not vouch for the rumor; I said that I had checked around myself, and thought it to be unfounded.
- I went further; I said I hoped that it was merely an untrue rumor, and that I knew of no untoward information about Hopkins.
That covers it, as far as my starting this thread goes.
August 31st, 2011 at 2:33 PM ^
"No; the real story that may need to be addressed is page 26 of the February 8 NCAA transcript of the Tressel interview. As reported by one Ace Williams.
Ace Williams told us that "a news story will break before the season starts naming Michigan and Oregon as schools with questionable recruiting practices when pursuing Terrelle Pryor...." And I think that Ace Williams, Terelle Pryor, Jim Tressel and Ted Sarniak are all liars."
So you don't think the Hopkins story is the "real story"? Or you do? Or is the "real story" some dumb shit about Ace Williams impugning RR's reputation with rumors about recruiting Pryor? And if not, then why are you mentioning it here?
August 31st, 2011 at 2:44 PM ^
I don't know if Hopkins is suspended. Every indication (mostly subsequent to Ace Williams' report) is that Hopkins is NOT suspended. Nobody would be happier than I would, to have that confirmed. I hope that by the end of today, it is confirmed that Hopkins is not suspended. But I honestly don't know. That's why I asked. It was absolutely not a rhetorical question.
And, I also think that for my own personal purposes, "Hopkins" is not the "real story," for a couple of reasons. One is that even the allegation/rumor about what might have led to any supposed suspension was sort of silly. Certainly not any serious bad news about Hopkins. Two is that Hopkins' unavailabilty for Western does not seem to be a very big deal. A third reason, that I don't anybody else to care too much about, is that an allegation that Michigan may have committed one or more NCAA violations in recruiting Pryor is a VERY big deal. To me, at least. And if that story were to come out in the next two days, I'd like to be able to say, "Ace Williams? He's the guy who lied about a suspension of Hopkins!") Now, it may not be Ace Williams who is behind any such reporting. But he is the only one reporting that story right now.
August 31st, 2011 at 2:48 PM ^
include if Denard is suspended or not (going back to my first comment).
It is not Hoke's job, nor should it be, to answer every possible question. Anyway, if it matters at all (it doesn't), if anything Michigan benefits from the uncertainty.
It's weird that you don't get that you are helping Ace Williams. I think you are Ace Williams. Clever ruse, but not that clever.
August 31st, 2011 at 2:55 PM ^
nobody thinks you're hoping he's suspended. everyone is saying you're an idiot for bringing the notion he might be suspended up because you're merely lending credibility through rememberance.
also it was not published outside of one stupid idiot who makes shit up on a crappy website.
also Tressel never said it was Michigan. you're concluding that based upon the posting of one stupid idiot who makes shit up on a crappy website.
see where you're not a paragon of intelligence and, instead, the dunce?
August 31st, 2011 at 2:57 PM ^
are for unicorns, not for warriors.
August 31st, 2011 at 2:45 PM ^
I really doubt he cares about random internet guy saying he's suspended. Wether he is or not, either way, I really he doubt.
It's very far from certain.
If your point was to disparage Ace Williams, why didn't you just say so instead of repeating and enabling his rumors?
It is not helpful to prove non-damaging rumors true or false. Hoke should ignore the (non-)issue and so should anyone (potentially) asking him about it. If it's true, we'll know Saturday and it's not worth discussing. If it's not, it's not worth discussing.
August 31st, 2011 at 1:21 PM ^
Not sure what you think it is, but "getting out in front of the story" is not it.
That phrase means to control negative public relations targeted at you for the purpose of mitigating potential damages. But... What are the damages here? So what if some random dudes think he's suspended? So what if they're right?
The public perception leading up to the game has no impact beyond the actual fact of if he's suspended or not. We'll know Saturday, so why bother "getting out in front" at all.
I'd like to see somebody NOT ask Hoke about a random rumor that doesn't make a difference one way or the other if it's out there or not.
August 31st, 2011 at 10:11 AM ^
If anyone ever posts a rumor that was started on RCMB on this blog again I will burn this mother down.
August 31st, 2011 at 10:18 AM ^
The Free Press would do that. That is, credulously "report" something that had no more basis than a post on RCMB. See, e.g.; MSU 2011 Pro Combat uni designs.
Our standards here on the MGoBoard are higher. This story ('story" is kind of a stretch) did not "start on RCMB."
August 31st, 2011 at 10:24 AM ^
the guy who hates the publication, or readdress, of rumors just asked people to substantiate a rumor he admitted to have not seen publically discussed.
my mind exploded three times. i'd see it again.
August 31st, 2011 at 10:36 AM ^
You really don't understand. You are not thinking three plays ahead. That will be later. Maybe. I really don't know yet.
Anyway, isn't it pretty explicit? I am not hoping to "substantiate a rumor." I am, frankly, hoping to destroy a rumor. One that was published elsewhere, and which was posted on this Board previously, not by me. Can you suppose why?
Some of you guys really disappoint me.
August 31st, 2011 at 10:54 AM ^
that was already dead via silence and a Borges interview on the front page. got it. very timely effort there Section 1.
August 31st, 2011 at 11:16 AM ^
You are equating "dead silence" with "Hopkins not suspended."
I would equate "Brady Hoke says Hopkins not suspended" with "Hopkins not suspended."
August 31st, 2011 at 11:24 AM ^
you do not understand how horribly backwards that concept is and how it flies in the face of the very journalistic and program integrity you demand.
by responding to rumors on the internet started on fucking chat sports, not SI.com, not espn.com, fucking ACE WILLIAMS, Hoke shows the program is run by reactionaries and is at the mercy of the press. UM barely uttered a whimper when the Forcier transfer was rumored and that was by a reputable institution (not the vocalizer, however). you're talking out of both sides of your mouth: I demand Michigan hold itself above the rumors and offbeat crap that publications throw out but i demand the silence be broken on this topic because 5-6 people posted it on MGoBoard. Good God dude.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:33 PM ^
First, I do not expect that the Michigan Athletic Department would issue a press release to combat something from Ace Williams and "Chat Sports." We agree.
Second, I do expect that once the question had been raised in that manner, that in the course of one of his fall camp pressers, Hoke would be asked about it by somebody in the Michigan-beat press corps.
I timed how long it would take for someone to ask this: "Q. - Coach, is Stephen Hopkins suspended? A. - No." It would take about 4.5 seconds.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:59 PM ^
You are essentially talking out of both sides of your mouth, as another poster indicated. You've regurgutated a rumor that had no legs to begin with (Beavis'd), and now you think that because its been mentioned more than once on the intertronz, its deserving of mention by the coaching staff, despite complete lack of notice, mention or acknoweldegement from any legitimate journalistic source...but you're also trying to say that because its an intrawebs rumor, its not deserving of mention by coaches... *until* they've been asked by a journalist, who in your mind, should feel it his or her journalistic duty to mention an intrawebs rumor...
mah. gawd.
::facepalm::
August 31st, 2011 at 2:57 PM ^
you just don't get it. Section 1 is light years ahead of us on the logic trail.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:53 PM ^
That was written on a message board. Someone should pick that up and ask him, just so we can get an official answer stating that no, in fact, he is not beating his wife. (Though by all the insinuation of "maybe the department is just covering it up", maybe the wording should be "Hoke, when did you stop beating your wife?")
August 31st, 2011 at 2:58 PM ^
finding out if Hoke answers no to the wife beating would prove the other allegation within the same post, that Rich Rodriguez never brushes his teeth, was inherently untrue.
August 31st, 2011 at 3:11 PM ^
To make any West Virginia and teeth jokes.
August 31st, 2011 at 11:22 AM ^
The most painful way to die.
August 31st, 2011 at 11:25 AM ^
come to think of it, Section 1 kind of reminds me of him
August 31st, 2011 at 1:32 PM ^
response showed up under a comment I wasn't trying to respond to...attempting to replace.
August 31st, 2011 at 1:34 PM ^
you've gotta be the only person I've ever seen try to kill an internet rumor by starting a message board thread about said rumor.
and even more entertaining is you think its everyone else who is the problem.
::double facepalm::
August 31st, 2011 at 10:29 AM ^
You are a douche. If he was suspended coach Hoke would let us know. I don't appreciate your post. I think you should be suspended for two games for your post.
August 31st, 2011 at 10:41 AM ^
Knock it off with the personal attack. It may be that he is, in fact, a d--che. If not, there is no reason to start such a rumor on this Board. If anything, it may result in a new thread a few weeks from now asking whether the rumor of Section 1's d--chiness has been confirmed or not.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:55 PM ^
So the rumor can be put to rest?
August 31st, 2011 at 10:40 AM ^
after doing many searches... there has been no concrete information stating that Hopkins is being suspended.
The only snippet of information has been a guy asking about Hopkins being suspended cause he/she "heard something". Another member even asked for a link or proof and nothing was provided.
Section 1, I understand what you're asking, but there has been nothing to substantiate this rumor so we can only assume it's just that, a rumor.
August 31st, 2011 at 10:57 AM ^
So, of course, I too had done a search. And like you, I found nothing authoritative. Your finding reassures me that I did not overlook anything.
And like you, the conclusion I was left with, was that it was and is just a rumor. And yet, there is nothing that says that Hoke cannot announce a suspension any time he chooses, including Friday night right after Clam Chowder.
Anyway, it is customary (if that is the right word) to announce something like this on a Wednesday or Thursday of game week, and as I have already indicated, I just wanted an authoritative answer to the straight question. If the question has not yet been put to Hoke, now would be the time to do it.
And if the "Stephen Hopkins suspended" rumor as it was begun by someone else is a false one, then hell yeah the venom of this Board ought to be aimed at the guy who started it, and I will be very pleased to have been a part of putting the lie to that guy.
One step at a time. First thing is to determine if Hopkins was ever really suspended.
August 31st, 2011 at 11:43 AM ^
"So, of course, I too had done a search. And like you, I found nothing authoritative. Your finding reassures me that I did not overlook anything."
Have you been screwed over by Google before?
August 31st, 2011 at 1:05 PM ^
like I'm caught in a circle of stupid.
Have you tried actually reading what you write, and interpreting it with logic and rationale?
The only reason this is a 'question' weeks after the completely unsubstantiated rumor squeaked out on a message board, is because you dug it up from its grave, and brought it out for the mgoworld to see. it doesn't need to be addressed simply because your powers of reasoning seem less potent than those of the average bear (or wolverine)...
leave the rotting corpse where it lies, and move on.
August 31st, 2011 at 3:00 PM ^
"I will be very pleased to have been a part of putting the lie to that guy."
What part would you have in it? He would have been a liar all the same Saturday night had you not posted this. You're so desparate to be a truth-seeker and hero of the board you don't see how ridiculous you're being. This is an outright joke to think you're playing some great part in this story - let me guess, you're the martyr?
August 31st, 2011 at 10:46 AM ^
This link claims that hopkins is suspended by the team for Western for testing positive for painkillers.
August 31st, 2011 at 10:50 AM ^
i swear to god if this is an attempt by Section 1 to prove himself a more veritable source than Ace Williams and claim he put the dagger in AW despite, you know, being beat to that punch by several weeks, he'll have lost what little support he even has right now
August 31st, 2011 at 11:23 AM ^
Section 1 is Ace Williams
August 31st, 2011 at 11:34 AM ^
Williams is Einhorn
<br>Einhorn is Finkle!
August 31st, 2011 at 11:37 AM ^
LACES. OUT.
August 31st, 2011 at 11:24 AM ^
Anything by Ace Williams should be immediately dismissed as it is written by some SigEp (fake fraternity) loser under a pseudonym (I can't spell, so if that is incorrect, I apologize).
However, it is worth mentioning that he stole this info from a Rivals message board post, and got most of it wrong anyway. I believe Hopkins and maybe one other person have been "silently" suspended for the first game. Now is that the entire first game, just a half, a quarter - who knows.
August 31st, 2011 at 11:36 AM ^
since you came on here and announced he was in the dog house and suspended a game...
August 31st, 2011 at 11:46 AM ^
One way to get questions answered is to ask them.
It is of course your right as a free-thinking American under our great Constiution, to dismiss Ace Williams as a "loser."
It is another thing, to be able to say something like this; "On August 16, 2011, Ace Williams reported, as a 'confimed rumor,' that Hopkins was to be suspended for the first game of the season. Brady Hoke has been asked about that, and has refuted the story. Hopkins is not suspended."
I prefer the latter method. The latter method would have the additional benefit of eliminating any confusion about some sort of double-secret probation "silent" suspension, that you seem to suspect.