I'm of the opinion that the education is more valuable... Making decisions based on what ifs is just no way to live.
there would have to be some to wash away
I'm of the opinion that the education is more valuable... Making decisions based on what ifs is just no way to live.
Even a Michigan degree is not as valuable as the millions of guaranteed dollars that a 1st round NBA selection will get you. Stauskas could easily pay his way to come back and finish his degree many times over from what he will earn on his rookie contract if he gets picked in the first round. I've earned over a million dollars off of my Michigan degree in my career, but even the 18th pick in the 1st round earns $2 million guaranteed in just 2 years. That is life-altering money if you invest it properly.
at Michigan. He doesn't need to get it right away, but with millions of dollars he'll earn in the NBA. He can afford it.
Look at some of the former athlete(not just at Michigan) who came back and got their degree during their professional career or after their career is over. It's always there for them in the future. How often do you get the opportunity to earn millions of dollars playing sports? Not very often so I am in the opinion of taking advantage of earning that money asap.
He has got to go. I understand ppl saying he should stay to get his degree but nothing would prevent him from doing that in the future. The increased incremental improvements he can make to his game can be achieved on an NBA roster while earning a nice paycheck.
There is almost no chance he stays nor should he....…love if he did though
Nik should go. A 10 deep rotation would be absurd and someone would get squeezed out. UM has a ton of talent and it's time for some of the other guys to shine.
his minutes would have to go down.
IMO, Nik still has plenty of room for improvement. He is a poor defensive player, his lateral movement and his handle need work, and his lack of strength would really be exposed in the NBA.
If goes pro, he could be stuck in a come off the bench and bomb 3's from the corner role.
Beilein and company are proven developers of guards, and with his strong work ethic, Nik could improve as much next year as he did this year. He could become a high draft pick and serious contributor right away - a lethal scorer in the Klay Thompson mold.
With his current liabilities, I'm not sure he'd be given the chance. I absolutely feel he can help his NBA future by staying another year.
I don't think it's a given that his game would improve as much sitting on the bench in the NBA. Greatly depends on the situation/team/coach he ends up with.
Conversely, THJ's example hints that Beilein, his coaches and system are less proficient at developing bigger guys. He doesn't have a track record of developing front court players (or swingmen) into NBA-level talent.
THJ made a giant leap this year, and his college career resembled GR3's - obvious talent, loads of potential, not much year-to-year improvement. GR3 seems like an NBA player stuck in college - he won't truly thrive until he's in the show.
As for Mitch, it's all about his back. If he feels (and his doctors confirm) that he's completely healed, he can dramatically improve his stock by actually playing a full year in college. Really, his stock can only move up as long as he actually plays. I doubt he'd get any guaranteed money if he goes pro now.
That said, if his back is still balky, he might as well go pro and make as much as he can, as fast as he can.
seemed to have a much more competitive mindset.
Nik has nothing to gain by coming back. He will improve against pros. Anyone claiming he will be a spotup shooter is being delusional. His handle and strength? I guess NBA teams don't have state of the art training facilities and trainers? He is a Marco Belinelli type and will carve out a nice career.
Irvin didn't come here to sit on the bench til his junior year. Donnal didn't redshirt to play no minutes.Horford didn't come back for a 5th year not to play. Chatman is too great of a talent.
Nik is a late lottery pick and should go. UM has more than enough to lose him and not skip a beat and I actually surmise that they will be better defensively and rebound the ball better next year while maintaining top 5 Kenpom efficiency.
I agree with everything u said, especially about Irvin. That guy is a talent and will be really good for us! I wanna see him play asap.
Nik should go because it wouldn't be fair to the younger guys for him to return and take up their minutes.
That and the millions of dollars he stands to earn.
He has a lot to gain by staying in terms of getting better and putting his game in position to have a long career. I would agree that he is unlikely to improve his draft stock, though it certainly is possible. Better players have gone to the NBA and been done in 2 years. The NBA is not great at developing or teaching players, so you have to be ready to play and develop your own game.
It's a tough decision for him I am sure, and certainly would be hard to blame him for going either way. But I certainly would not say he has nothing to gain by staying.
It's not really a tough decision. You said it yourself. He can't improve his draft position. He can't improve his game anymore at michigan than in the summer league and 4 months of professional practice.
ISOLATED EXAMPLE: JJ Redick is finishing up year 8 of an NBA career. Redick was more of a "just a shooter" and only shot 40% from three.
Stauskas would be insane to come back.
JJ Redick played four years of college
I'll be super pumped if he comes back (selfish as it may be) and not surprised if he goes. Either way he's given us some fantastic moments.
Nick is ready.
GRIII probably will not improve much next season and may risk injury.
Mitch's back problems will probably cause him not to risk one more season in college and get in the pro game young.
Is not NBA-ready. Another development year would increase his earning potential.
His future employers feel differently.
for everyone...Can you imagine the team we would have next year if all came back!!!
Do it for Coach JB!!!! Do it for MICHIGAN!!!!!! The Team The Team The Team....
One can dream cant one?
Just one last point:
GR3 came back with the expectation that he'd play the 3 this year. Playing the 4 meant playing out of position, all year which certainly had an impact on his produciton. And even though the reason he wasn't able to play the 3 (MM injury) was benign, he still may feel slighted that he came back with that expectation and didn't get it.
His girlfriend is a freshman, right ?
I don't believe she goes to Michigan.
I think she goes to Toledo.
My opinion is the following will happen and why:
Nik - Goes pro. We would hard-pressed to improve his draft stock and just watched GRIII and Mitch's take a hit by staying.
Mitch - Depends on if he can get his back 100% healthy by draft workouts. Ordinarily I'd say he's coming back but Mitch is a bit long in the tooth already and another year in college wont help that problem any. The NBA loves youth, almost more than anything else, so Mitch is racing his biological clock (so to speak). But if he cant get his back to 100% by the time workout's start he's probably coming back because he wouldnt be able to demonstrate he's healthy otherwise.
GRIII - All depends on McGary IMO. If he goes, GRIII goes. If he comes back, GRIII will come back. I had never thougth about him playing out of position all year until recently and that was one of the biggest reasons he didnt develop as everyone thought he would. With Mitch coming back we can move to the 3, play the position he'll play in the NBA. If Mitch goes then he's back to the 4, playing out of position another year and probably continuing to hurt his draft stock - not help it.
Selfishly I guess I hope Mitch's back heals 100%. About five minutes after the deadline for declaring the NBA draft. Because if he's 100% before then I think all three are gone.
Great analysis of the pros and cons of staying. What I appreciate the most is that the OP doesn't presume to tell Nik, Glenn, and Mitch what is best for them. This is a really complicated, very personal decision. I am dismayed when I read comments that speculate on college athletes personal financial circumstances (e.g., "Glenn's father was an NBA star so he doesn't need the money") or that imply that leaving is disloyal - largely because it would disappoint fans. None of us can put ourselves in their shoes and they don't owe us anything.
As a fan, I have really enjoyed watching all three of them. I would love to be able to see them play for Michigan for couple more years, but I respect whatever decisions they make, and will follow their future athletic careers wherever they end up. And whatever they decide, I am optimistic about next season.
Good analysis. Only problem with GRIII's analysis is he would've made the latter higher dollar amount if he would have left last year. Hope he stays around.
value system, especially if we are no longer in our early twenties. We can't really tell someone else what they should do, only what we would do. And even then, since none of us had their talent or opportunities, how do we even know what we would have done in their position?
I would like to think (in the case of Trey and Nik, especially), I would have returned for at least my third year in hopes of one day seeing my #3 or #11 hanging in Crisler some day. I am going to make my NBA millions sooner or later, most likely, but I only have one shot at my Michigan legacy. I wonder what Jalen would have to say on this subject.
It's not about "value systems" or "priorities". It's about taking the opportunities life gives you. You have to strike with the iron is hot. Burke was National POY. It was time to go when his stock was high. Stauskas is Big Ten POY. His stock is high. Time to sell. This is HIS time. Could his stock go up? Maybe, but probably not much higher. He already has a legacy at Michigan. Having financial security for life (assuming he is smart with his money) is something that shouldn't be trifled with. I love Michigan and Michigan basketball as much as any fan, but if I were a player and I was told I was going in the top 20 or so picks, I know I would have to go. That's just the way it is.
You disagree that it isn't about values or priorities and then you impose what you think that Nik should do based on YOUR priorities or what YOU think Nik's priorities should be. I don't presume to tell any of them what they should do since I don't know what things they value most. I only pointed out what I THINK I would do in their position if it was my future.
"Priorities" or "value systems". I call it common sense. If someone is offering him millions of dollars guaranteed right now, then he should most likely take it. There is NO GUARANTEE they will still be offering it to him next year. Does Trey Burke somehow have less of a legacy at Michigan because he went pro after his sophomore year? I kind of doubt it. That is just how the game works now.
The argument for Nik to stay is this years draft is LOADED. If he stays and maintains or improves his level of performance he would be looking at top 10, maybe top 5 next year. He has no shot at that in this years draft.
what are the odds of him being top 5 or 10 next year really? Nik is great, but IMO I don't think he's ever going to be more than an #10-#20 type player. And that is NO insult--#10-#20 is still a great accomplishment. Obviously I could be wrong.
it all comes down to how much he likes his current Wolverine girlfriend...i.e. how good she is in bed **edit I'm hearing she's not a wolverine