So it wasn't just homerism to think that those were the two worst undefeated teams I've ever seen?
Statistically Speaking - breaks down OSU's 2012 undefeated season
Let's not forget that the Buckeyes were in a year with a new coaching staff and many changes along with all of the bad mojo from the tat five. As the season progressed, though, so did the Buckeyes. Being undefeated is never easy no matter what the circumstances so we will take it and celebrate it. 12 - 0! Thanks for your contribution.
BTW, Great season for your bb team. Your problem now is how many will be leaving as their stock will probably not go up next year. Why pass up those $millions? See you in November!
This should come as no surprise to anyone. Anyone who saw that Ohio team play (and ND for that matter) knows neither belongs in the same category with some of the other squads on that list. Unfortunately, ohio's schedule is just as easy this year so we'll have to do our part at home.
Yeah, the sad part, as you point out, is that as easy as OSU's schedule was last year (5 teams who couldn't even manage to get to .500 in the regular season and 2 teams who barely made it to .500), their 2013 slate is even easier.
Next season, OSU won't play MSU or Nebraska and their only BCS conference non-conference opponent is Cal. OSU only has 4 games next season that I wouldn't be absolutely shocked to see them lose: @Michigan, @Northwestern, @California (seriously) and @Purdue (again...seriously). Cal will only be difficult because it is on the West Coast and Purdue has some weird vodoo going on against OSU, particularly in West Lafayette.
Ohio's other two undefeated seasons score near the bottom in each statistical category as well. This isn't all that surprising considering the B1G hasn't been very strong.
I am surprised by ND's low ranking. Many thought they had the toughest schedule heading into the year. They ended up playing a lot of mediocre teams (besides Stanford).
yeah but... still, they were undefeated, right? So this doesn't make me feel any better and feels very little brother-ish. Good details/stats, but I don't like the implications.
Also it makes me remember Vincent Smith running up the middle.
Please make it stop.
I don't know, if they were bowl eligible, wouldn't their bowl game been the National Championship against the only other undefeated team (i.e., Notre Dame)?
One, I don't think it's a given that OSU loses that match-up. Two, I don't like a situation in which OSU or ND are the two options for the title.
I seriously doubt an undefeated OSU would get passed over. An undefeated powerhouse program will always get in (unless there are three undefeated teams, of course), strength of schedule or no. I mean, they may have played bad teams and won close, but they still won all their games. Even against a weak schedule, going undefeated is tough.
After seeing Wisky do what they did to Nebraska in that game, I don't believe OSU would have won that game either. No way they get to the NC game with that loss.
You don't think OSU would have beaten Nebraska, a team they scored 63 points against?
As much as I detest Ohio and ND, I would have been fine with them playing for the "national championship," if only for the reason that it would have taken away some of the SEC's leverage. I'm tired of seeing the SEC awarded a de facto autobid every year. It's part of the reason I want a true playoff to determine a true champion, with champions from every major conference invited.
Ideally KSU and/or Oregon would have kept their shit together to box out Bama. But they had to go and blow it for everyone. Thanks a lot, jerks!
Seems like it happens that way quite often. One or two teams have an in to the National Title, but blow it and we get an SEC team in there instead
Thanks for being the one in this thread that doesn't sound like a whiny little child.
No rational Ohio State team is going to call last year's team world-beaters by any means. We won some close games that we should have won comfortably. We also destroyed a ranked Nebraska team, and won at Wisconsin (which is never easy), which was a team that was better than their record indicated (ask Stanford), and same for Michigan State.
We would've lost to Bama. I can concede that. But for crying out loud, it was year 1 under a completely new coaching staff with a completely different offense in place. There are VERY few teams in the NCAA, if any, that could go unbeaten under that scenario. Perhaps you all should focus more on this year than crying like babies on a message board about a team that was still better than yours.
You take the time to register on a Michigan forum to defend your Buckeyes and we're the babies? Gotcha.
There's no logic to that line of thinking. It take maybe 30 seconds to register. I saw this link from another site and thought it was pathetic how you were all sitting here whining about how a better team wasn't good, despite not losing. As one of your fellow UM fans pointed out, it's very "little brother" of you... but then again, I don't know how else to better describe what you are to OSU nowadays.
Please, carry on.
"Fully half of their 12 wins came by a touchdown or less, including narrow escapes over luminaries like Cal, Indiana, and Purdue." - from "Statistically Speaking", regarding Ohio State
I enjoyed that sentence, because it also sums up the circumstances under which their 2012 season arose rather well. They gave up 512 yards of offense to Cal, 481 yards of offense to Indiana and 347 yards of offense to Purdue. In the case of Cal and Indiana, these are their two worst defensive performances of the year, as I recall, and yet they win (because it is Cal and Indiana and you can still win those game despite horrible play). Rarely do we see a more comparatively average undefeated team (many of their rankings on various D-I stats were fairly middle of the road, I believe).
scUM? I really hate rednecks.
So,if they were so bad,why didn`t Michigan beat Ohio State?
1997 Michigan isn't a "modern team"?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the 1997 season was the last before the start of the BCS era. So "modern era" tends to mean "BCS era" or "1998 forward."
Even throwing aside my bias, Ohio State's team last year was easily the worst undefeated team I've ever seen. I do give them credit for going undefeated, but a team that "good" should know how to tackle, and any team that lets Purdue hang around on its own turf deep into the game, squeaks by a crappy Cal team, and gives up 48 points to Indiana should not reach college football immortality anytime soon.
Statistically speaking Mary, you're more likely to die on the way to the airport, than for from a plane crashing. Lots of crazy drivers out there.
Also, this is useless information trying to make non-OSU fans feel better about themselves. If the tables were turned, how would we react to something like this? With mockery and harsh humor.
The comparison shows how marginal OSU and the B1G were in 2012 when the presumed conference champion is so comparatively weak. I don't think this makes any non OSU feel better except to push for better standards of excellence in 2013.
I could take a little ridicule if it meant we finished undefeated.
Er, sorry. My mind just wrapped around the idea of a ND-Ohio State national championship game and temporarily resorted to primal instinct. I ate a car tire.
Play in traffic blindfolded than have ohio go into the national chamionship....
Mr Anal Beads never gets old.
Every time I see that pic, it reminds of the scene in Return of the Jedi where the rancor trainer and one if Jabba's goons cry together after Luke kills the rancor. Yeah, I'm a nerd.
and yet they still beat Michigan. seriously. i'd rather have 12-0 than 8-5, no matter the schedule.
I don't know. It's a pretty empty 12 - 0, especially when you look at the Purdue and Indiana games. I would have loved to see them get in the ring with Alabama.
Martinis at lunch?
According to the Jeff Sagarin rankings, which I think are part of the BCS formula, OSU's final strength of schedule for 2012 was ranked 60th and they played no teams that fininished in the top 10. Michigan's schedule strength was ranked at 24. However they did beat us so I hope they are 11-0 again going into this year's final game so we can run Derrick Green and company right through them.
Won't argue it. The team last year had to gut out quite a few games over average teams. At the end of November, we were starting to look decent, but weren't elite. Urban himself said that we weren't in the same category as Alabama. 2012 OSU won with heart more than superior play quite a bit.
I don't see Michigan on the list. :(
OMG, tOSU is on the list 3 times! HAX!
And then it needed to make it again, in case it didn't make it the first two times around.
I guess my comouter really felt like it needed to make this point.
Why so defensive?
Please promise me that you will never reproduce.
Ummmm......didn't see this in the thread but they got rings....
That is all.
That is all.