makes too much sense. I'm going back to reading CC threads.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
makes too much sense. I'm going back to reading CC threads.
That kitty looks a little manic-depressive if you ask me. Do they make Valium for cats?
it's called Valium. And any self respecting Mgo poster would know you don't give valium to a Bi-polar cat. Depakote would be the drug of choice for a "manic depressive" cat.
about how to medicate cats, but I can tell you that if Igave a catto my 120lb rottseiler, I woildn't have to feed him for a couple days and he would have no problems with depression for a couple days.
My girlfriend's cat is on prozac, given in a liqud flavored fish form. And yes I know, that is really stupid.
I just want to know WHO is out there taking hundreds of pictures of cats in different poses......and how does one apply for that gig?
If Harbaugh comes, we will finish extremely strong.
I've heard Mike Farrell, among many, say that they expect a very strong end to our recruiting cycle if we land Harbaugh. The entire face of recruiting (for this year) could change.
First of all, you don't have to run the spread to use short slot receivers. Lots of passing attacks can utilize a short, quick receiver with good hands. The Patriots have one they like to throw to on occasion.
We don't have that many tiny slot guys. Odoms is now an outside receiver, but will be a senior next year anyway. TRob, Gallon and Dileo are really the only guys who qualify for this, so it's not like we have 15 slot guys. TRob didn't see the field this year too much anyway, so he might transfer (and might have anyway) but I would expect Gallon and Dileo to stay and be used in the passing game. A pro-style offense can still utilixze a small, shifty receiver.
The point of the post is not that this is a great class all wrapped up. Rather, given that we seem to have just struck yet another nadir of our football program, things have not completely fallen apart. We still need DB to resolve the CC situation and then whoever our coach is needs to do a kamakazi-ninja job between now and signing day. But the wheels have not completely fallen off, and right now that is encouraging news.
Look at Miami's (YTM) recruiting class. They have three 3-stars, and a JUCO punter. They lost a 5-star quarterback and other 4-star players from an already weak class after Shannon left. And they put up solid recruiting classes every year just like Michigan.
With a coaching change, things could be a lot worse then they currently are for Michigan.
decent chance hey lose more
And I truly believe Zettel would be Blue if this wan't going on.
And I truly believe Zettel will end up in this recruiting class if Harbaugh is hired.
I wouldn't get my hopes up. If it was just the coaching situation stopping him from Michigan, he would have waited a simple week.
To much uncertainty surrounding the program. Despite what some think JH will not be welcomed with open arms by all. He burned to many bridges with his comments about the program and academics at our great university. The fact that not one single Florida recruit showed up at our open practice indicates maybe the recruits are as sick of the drama/uncertainty as we are.
I for one will never cheer for JH though I will always cheer for the team. If there is a change and it's someone other then Harbaugh our class will be a joke and I will be deeply disappointed since all the "big name" coaching possibilities are gone due to DBs timeline. Is the uncertainty worth all this drama? Florida seemed to do pretty good yesterday and their new coach got a chance to evaluate returning players to boot.
If Frost and Bryant turn away from the program we may be in serious trouble. Weak class plus transfers doesn't bode well for the future and IMHO Denard's no comment is a sign that he's gone if RR is. Throw in Tate (who I expect is gone) and our QB depth chart becomes a joke. A 4th new starter in four years and nothing to back him up. Not to mention the hit the APR is going to take.
It's not over until he signs....
I like the optimism, but this class clearly lacks the type of star players you need to consistently win, and the past few classes, while solid, haven't been spectacular either especially when some of the big-name kids (Cissoko, The Otter, etc.) haven't panned out. I expect UM to recruit well and if a new coach shows up, he'll probably nab some good kids at the end, but let's not kid ourselves here - this year is going to be another "look what RR left guy X" when we all look back in 2-3 years.
True. That's why you don't want to be the guy following the guy, but rather the guy following the guy who followed the guy.
Disagree. Harbaugh will be left with a ton of young starters/contributors. Of the guys who started on D yesterday, one will graduate, but will be replaced by Woolfolk. Of the guys on offense, two will graduate, and one will get replaced by Huyge who started much of this year and last. Also, there are many solid back-ups and talented underclassmen who will be given to the next coach.
Not a bad situation.
He's left him twenty starters and multiple underclassmen with game experience.
A lot can happen in a month of recruiting, and there is definite talent in the current commits. There aren't a lot of them, but a lot of experts are high on them and plenty of people think Kellen Jones, Dallas Crawford, and Jack Miller are sorely underrated. With stability will come even more commitments, and Harbaugh has proven to be a phenomenal recruiter.
I don't see how we can predict, a month before signing day, that we've been left with nothing. A ton can happen between now and then. It's not a top ten recruiting class. Those will come with time and success, which is certainly possible in the next two or three seasons.
is half full.
mine is completely empty for the 5th time today.
is half full.
mine is completely empty for the 5th time today.
Definitely scotch. Forget seeing, you're typing double.
A reasonable commentary? No way man! I want to hear about how Vandy's alternate RB coach is going to end up being here because we'll get stood up by Harbaugh, Hoke, and Ron English!
I want more ANGAR and UNACCEPTABLE!
Where's the g*dd*mn flight tracker!
/need a nap
I'm about to take a nap break too. Classes start tomorrow and I want to be fresh.
This recruiting cycle has been hampered by one thing: uncertainty. A new coach should bring in confidence and a new face to what some recruits see as a tired, washed-up, shadow of its former self. I'm not sayin we'll end up with an FSU-like class, but I hope you all saw how quickly the coaching change turned around FSU's recruiting base.
I like your old Avatar better. Much better.
I hope you are right. I really hope there is enough time to change their minds and get some commits.
Just reading through my twitter feed I'm filled with hope. We're still going to have opportunities with players like KY LB Lamar Dawson, OH OG Aundrey Walker, QB Cardale Jones, VA LB Curtis Grant, etc. Really elite playmakers that might not (have?) buy (bought?) into RR and what he's selling, simply because of the situation he's in. If Harbaugh comes in and rides a train of positive feeling and emotion, we're in prime position to make moves with many top recruits.
I love your optimism but do we really have a chance with these guys. If it's JH, did he even recruit these guys and then with Jones and Walker, we have a Glenville obstacle.
I didn't mean to get too specific. What I'm saying is there are so many guys out there who are passing on Michigan based on the negative aura surrounding the program. With JH, we'd get hope and a future. We could get the same with RR, but it would take about another 10 months. These kids are paying attention too see what happens.
U of M is pretty cheap when it comes to spending on the program. The NFL can offer more money and is not as time consuming as college without having to recruit. I've also heard JH's wife may not want to live through Michigan winters. Stanford's honorary coach for tomorrow's game is also going to be in his ear about coaching the Broncos. SF has supposedly contacted him and the Panthers are interested in JH and drafting Luck #1 overall.
Holy assumptions, Batman!
I don't think that's true - though college coaches have to put the time in recruiting, NFL coaches are notorious for devoting every waking hour of their life - virtually 365 days a year, to coaching. I believe the general consensus is that college coaching, while still extremely demanding, is not quite as stressfull as the NFL. Look at the fairly short tenure for even the best of the NFL coaches before they burnout.
Key recruit for 2011: New HC, NFL experience not required, Michigan ties a plus, willing to pay top dollar.
IF we get Harbaugh then recruiting will go into extreme mode. He will swoop in with fresh new energy and he will have a great product to sell - the Return of Michigan Football. We will hold most of what we have and add excellent players including a QB or two. Look for a class of 22 or more as there will be defections from the current roster.
Nobody knows how this is going to end. But I think Michigan will end up with a full class regardless.
There are 13 commitments now, and Kris Frost, Wayne Lyons, and Chris Bryant are all announcing soon. And then there are a few others visiting and watching the situation closely as well.
IMO, our chances with Lyons may have just improved a lot if Harbaugh is hired. We'll have to wait and see.
unless RR is retained. That leaves two weekends for recruiting visits before NSD.
its not over
Stop with the cryptic posts. You don't have any insider knowledge.
what are you talking about?
not sure how those 3 words are cryptic, I thought it was pretty straight forward. You're trying to read way too much into a very simple post
When you are in a hole, the first step is to stop digging. Recruiting will sort itself out; it should not dictate the major decision making regarding the program.
I'll bite. It's definitely Not Bad, but it's also Not That Great either. It's solid but unspectacular. Dee Hart was supposed to be one of the jewels of the class, and now he's gone (for the moment). National Signing day is still two months away, and if we get a new HC next week, he'll have plenty of time to find seven lousy recruits to fill up our class.
Much closer to one month than two
This recruiting class is not a solid one by any stretch of the imagination. We used to have a fairly good mix of 3 and 4 star guys with a 1-2 5 star guys as well. This year they are all 3 star with a couple of 4 star recruits. I feel we get some decent offensive recruits, but there is definitely a difference in the defensive recruits we get, which is really what we need right now. A while ago I looked at how the percentage of 3 star defensive recruits we got has changed over time - under Carr we only had 20-30% of defensive recruits who were 3 star or below; under RRod that percentage has jumped to 50-60% (Ray Vinopal - 2 star with upside!). I don't think the star system is necessarily the best way to evaluate recruiting classes, but I also believe you're more likely to get a "hit" on a prospect than a "miss" by recruiting higher star players.
I don't expect to have all 4 and 5 star guys like Alabama - we all know recruiting practices from schools like this are shady and highly unethical and its only a matter of time until they get hammered by some major NCAA violation. However, this class could stand to be much better.
....what if RR stays?
At this point, I'd rather have Harbaugh than RR. Not because I don't believe the spread can succeed, not because I think RR's a bad coach, not because I think there's no hope for the future. Rather, solely for recruiting. If he stays, that'll be great and all, but there will continue to exist a shadow over the program, one that suggests mediocrity and a still-torn fanbase. It won't just kill us with some prospects in this class, I think it'll really hurt the 2012 class as well.
.......winning cures all, just look at kobe and vick. How sweet would it be if we win the Big Ten next year WITH Rich Rod.
After the pounding we incurred yesterday, the overall perception of the program is of one stuck where it is, not moving forward, simply a mediocre team. Even if RR turns this team into world beaters over the summer, he still won't be able to prove it until, at the earliest, mid-October. That would kill recruiting, and keep elite prospects from coming. The same speculation we've endured will continue for yet ANOTHER year. I think, if we had just come and dealt with Miss St, there would have at least been enough optimism to get us in a strong position with several recruits over the offseason.
We're going to go through the same speculation next year which will once again affect our recruiting
....not if we win BIG, which I believe we can. Just look at sparty's turn around. It's going to be tough seeing someone else reap the reward for RR's players.
Like I said above, we still can't win BIG for another nine or so months. That's nine or so months where our recruiting is hurt badly.
Sure hope DB has JH in the bag.
His name wouldn't carry the recruiting momentum that Harbaugh would. Kids are going to tune into the Orange Bowl tomorrow, and know who Harbaugh is. They're not going to know much about the SDSU coach.
Immediately after tomorrow night. I'd rather not have a coach who's so willing to desert his team.
I wouldn't want him to abandon his team now, but I wish if he really wanted to come here, he would start after the OSU game. If we change, we will need all the time we can to a new system down. That is a conversation for another time.
I'm pretty sure, even if we had hired him after the OSU game, RR would have coached the bowl game. But I understand what you're saying.
And I am sure you had something useful to say that deserved it.
He would have done it a month ago.
JH played in the NFL and has a brother who is a head coach there.
Add those two factors in with a Block M on his Hat when he walks into a kids house and tell me who is going to clean up in recruiting? Yes we are!
How will Dbag up in East Lansing compete with that or Vest?
RR definitely had the cc barrier to deal with. And he nabbed a few four-stars. And Dee. And this class is smallish, which impacts rankings.
All in all, though, RR at no point recruited on par with the big boys. On defense, most notably. Last year we ended up outside the top 25 (once Demar Dorsey was dropped). We're about 28th currently. Not good enough. Despite what the RR apologists say, the team is not overflowing with young blue-chip talent. Not on D, at least.
Everybody worries about losing current recruits. We may. But I'm pretty sure we'll end up with a better class than RR would have pulled. Also, perhaps, a bigger one. Transfers will create more spots. That's not a bad thing. JH may well end up with a full-sized class. Good. We need it.
NOT GOOT ENOUF!!!
"Transfers will create more spots. That's not a bad thing."
A spot created by Denard transferring would be a bad thing.
He was at the Bama-MSU game and was set to commit there either way in my opinion.
So that's why MSU (that MSU) played so poorly! They were in collusion with Bama! They BOTH wanted Dee not to go to Michigan!
The problem with this class is UM has no impact players. Granted very few HS kids come in and make a difference but UM has to land a couple studs to build a solid foundation.
A lot of 'impact players' haven't even made their final decision yet. Still, you make a good point.
The problem with this class is UM has no impact players.
Now it may not. With Dee, yes he probably would have been an impact player.
He wanted more of a pro-style offense. If Harbaugh comes in could he sway him to reconsider Mich? Just wondering.
But after all of the trash-talking and general crap he threw at Michigan yesterday on twitter. I legitimately don't want him.
I doubt you have anything to worry about there
Oh I know. Just sayin'
I don't have twitter, probably should get it. What did he say?
It wasn't anything specific, he just spent most of the day retweeting stuff that UT fans were saying about how garbage the Big Ten is, wondering why anyone would want to "volunteer for a michigan game ass whooopin". Some of it was negative towards MSU, which was fine by me.
Not happening. Dude is more in love with the SEC than the MSM.
Also I don't expect that Harbaugh will spend three years implicitly blaming everything on his predecessor, as RR did.
Show me one quote where RR blamed anything on Carr directly.
on Carr directly."
I agree...it was MGoBloggers who did that, not RR.
RR has never directly blamed Carr (no coach ever would do that), but he certainly has suggested on many occasions that he didn't inherit much.
Are you kidding? How many times has he throw up his hands and say, in essence, "What do you expect? I had nothing to start with?" All he's done is make it sound as if he was handed a bunch of bozos.
A few specific examples:
2008: When he was asked if any of Michigan's juniors had come to him seeking advice on whether they should turn pro, Rodriguez literally stifled a giggle before saying no -- as if the previous coaching staff had recruited anyone good enough to consider that.
"We have to identify our problems, and we have," Rodriguez said. "Some of them didn't occur overnight, and they won't be overcome overnight."
So what, Rodriguez was asked, have you learned in two years. "It didn't take me two years," Rodriguez interrupted. "It didn't take me two years to figure out what we needed and what we needed to do. I knew it after a couple of days."
Yesterday, on Gameday (for those with short memories):
"I'm like everybody else. When you go to Michigan, I thought the same thing, you just throw 'em out there you're going to win 9 or 10 games. Well, it wasn't the case, especially with the transition we came into. We lost a great senior class, so there was going to be a transition. No matter if I came as a new coach or Lloyd came back, there was going to be a transition period...there's a process to go through, and at Michigan you have to go through that process, believe it or not."
But one can play word games about "directly". The truth is the finger pointing has gotten old. As my grandmother always said, if you point a finger at someone, 3 more are pointing back at yourself.
This is not one of his more admirable traits. He's had a tendency to deflect blame onto his players for specific mistakes as well, most notably following the 2009 MSU game:
"He was supposed to kick it," Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez said. "It was a read, and Zoltan, he's made that decision very, very well a number of times, and that time he thought he saw a crease, I guess."
Someone should have asked, as a follow-up: even if it was Zoltan's read, why was there even a read on that punt play at all?
I really hold against him. Most of the other stuff is created, or just silly bias. I mean, I don't think a football banquet is a place to make it about the coach, and not the seniors, and worry he didn't realize how Groban would come off, but I understand it, under the circumstances. And everything doesn't have to be done like the old regimes, but man, calling out anyone else, ESPECIALLY a player, for a football problem...that's just not my style. Call out someone because they're not working hard, or doing what they're supposed to (a la Tate helmet thing)? Cool. Get them "on the same page", if that's what it takes to get their attention. But for football failure? That's on the head guy. Big bucks, broad shoulders. Even if you're thinking "in practice I'll make sure THAT never happens again", or "that coach is SO fired", to the press you protect your players and your staff. Not yourself.