....what if RR stays?
this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
....what if RR stays?
At this point, I'd rather have Harbaugh than RR. Not because I don't believe the spread can succeed, not because I think RR's a bad coach, not because I think there's no hope for the future. Rather, solely for recruiting. If he stays, that'll be great and all, but there will continue to exist a shadow over the program, one that suggests mediocrity and a still-torn fanbase. It won't just kill us with some prospects in this class, I think it'll really hurt the 2012 class as well.
.......winning cures all, just look at kobe and vick. How sweet would it be if we win the Big Ten next year WITH Rich Rod.
After the pounding we incurred yesterday, the overall perception of the program is of one stuck where it is, not moving forward, simply a mediocre team. Even if RR turns this team into world beaters over the summer, he still won't be able to prove it until, at the earliest, mid-October. That would kill recruiting, and keep elite prospects from coming. The same speculation we've endured will continue for yet ANOTHER year. I think, if we had just come and dealt with Miss St, there would have at least been enough optimism to get us in a strong position with several recruits over the offseason.
We're going to go through the same speculation next year which will once again affect our recruiting
....not if we win BIG, which I believe we can. Just look at sparty's turn around. It's going to be tough seeing someone else reap the reward for RR's players.
Like I said above, we still can't win BIG for another nine or so months. That's nine or so months where our recruiting is hurt badly.
Sure hope DB has JH in the bag.
His name wouldn't carry the recruiting momentum that Harbaugh would. Kids are going to tune into the Orange Bowl tomorrow, and know who Harbaugh is. They're not going to know much about the SDSU coach.
Immediately after tomorrow night. I'd rather not have a coach who's so willing to desert his team.
I wouldn't want him to abandon his team now, but I wish if he really wanted to come here, he would start after the OSU game. If we change, we will need all the time we can to a new system down. That is a conversation for another time.
I'm pretty sure, even if we had hired him after the OSU game, RR would have coached the bowl game. But I understand what you're saying.
And I am sure you had something useful to say that deserved it.
He would have done it a month ago.
JH played in the NFL and has a brother who is a head coach there.
Add those two factors in with a Block M on his Hat when he walks into a kids house and tell me who is going to clean up in recruiting? Yes we are!
How will Dbag up in East Lansing compete with that or Vest?
RR definitely had the cc barrier to deal with. And he nabbed a few four-stars. And Dee. And this class is smallish, which impacts rankings.
All in all, though, RR at no point recruited on par with the big boys. On defense, most notably. Last year we ended up outside the top 25 (once Demar Dorsey was dropped). We're about 28th currently. Not good enough. Despite what the RR apologists say, the team is not overflowing with young blue-chip talent. Not on D, at least.
Everybody worries about losing current recruits. We may. But I'm pretty sure we'll end up with a better class than RR would have pulled. Also, perhaps, a bigger one. Transfers will create more spots. That's not a bad thing. JH may well end up with a full-sized class. Good. We need it.
NOT GOOT ENOUF!!!
"Transfers will create more spots. That's not a bad thing."
A spot created by Denard transferring would be a bad thing.
He was at the Bama-MSU game and was set to commit there either way in my opinion.
So that's why MSU (that MSU) played so poorly! They were in collusion with Bama! They BOTH wanted Dee not to go to Michigan!
The problem with this class is UM has no impact players. Granted very few HS kids come in and make a difference but UM has to land a couple studs to build a solid foundation.
A lot of 'impact players' haven't even made their final decision yet. Still, you make a good point.
The problem with this class is UM has no impact players.
Now it may not. With Dee, yes he probably would have been an impact player.
He wanted more of a pro-style offense. If Harbaugh comes in could he sway him to reconsider Mich? Just wondering.
But after all of the trash-talking and general crap he threw at Michigan yesterday on twitter. I legitimately don't want him.
I doubt you have anything to worry about there
Oh I know. Just sayin'
I don't have twitter, probably should get it. What did he say?
It wasn't anything specific, he just spent most of the day retweeting stuff that UT fans were saying about how garbage the Big Ten is, wondering why anyone would want to "volunteer for a michigan game ass whooopin". Some of it was negative towards MSU, which was fine by me.
Not happening. Dude is more in love with the SEC than the MSM.
Also I don't expect that Harbaugh will spend three years implicitly blaming everything on his predecessor, as RR did.
Show me one quote where RR blamed anything on Carr directly.
on Carr directly."
I agree...it was MGoBloggers who did that, not RR.
RR has never directly blamed Carr (no coach ever would do that), but he certainly has suggested on many occasions that he didn't inherit much.
Are you kidding? How many times has he throw up his hands and say, in essence, "What do you expect? I had nothing to start with?" All he's done is make it sound as if he was handed a bunch of bozos.
A few specific examples:
2008: When he was asked if any of Michigan's juniors had come to him seeking advice on whether they should turn pro, Rodriguez literally stifled a giggle before saying no -- as if the previous coaching staff had recruited anyone good enough to consider that.
"We have to identify our problems, and we have," Rodriguez said. "Some of them didn't occur overnight, and they won't be overcome overnight."
So what, Rodriguez was asked, have you learned in two years. "It didn't take me two years," Rodriguez interrupted. "It didn't take me two years to figure out what we needed and what we needed to do. I knew it after a couple of days."
Yesterday, on Gameday (for those with short memories):
"I'm like everybody else. When you go to Michigan, I thought the same thing, you just throw 'em out there you're going to win 9 or 10 games. Well, it wasn't the case, especially with the transition we came into. We lost a great senior class, so there was going to be a transition. No matter if I came as a new coach or Lloyd came back, there was going to be a transition period...there's a process to go through, and at Michigan you have to go through that process, believe it or not."
But one can play word games about "directly". The truth is the finger pointing has gotten old. As my grandmother always said, if you point a finger at someone, 3 more are pointing back at yourself.
This is not one of his more admirable traits. He's had a tendency to deflect blame onto his players for specific mistakes as well, most notably following the 2009 MSU game:
"He was supposed to kick it," Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez said. "It was a read, and Zoltan, he's made that decision very, very well a number of times, and that time he thought he saw a crease, I guess."
Someone should have asked, as a follow-up: even if it was Zoltan's read, why was there even a read on that punt play at all?
I really hold against him. Most of the other stuff is created, or just silly bias. I mean, I don't think a football banquet is a place to make it about the coach, and not the seniors, and worry he didn't realize how Groban would come off, but I understand it, under the circumstances. And everything doesn't have to be done like the old regimes, but man, calling out anyone else, ESPECIALLY a player, for a football problem...that's just not my style. Call out someone because they're not working hard, or doing what they're supposed to (a la Tate helmet thing)? Cool. Get them "on the same page", if that's what it takes to get their attention. But for football failure? That's on the head guy. Big bucks, broad shoulders. Even if you're thinking "in practice I'll make sure THAT never happens again", or "that coach is SO fired", to the press you protect your players and your staff. Not yourself.