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October 28th, 2012 at 1:02 AM | Borges is running out of excuses (Score:5 Normal)
bluetell
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if you can't score TDs with the amount of talent that we have, youre not a very good OC. I dont care if we dont have the best WRs, you should be able to score more than FGs and not just run Fitz into a pile of bodies 10 times a gamr

Rudy watches inspirational movies about Shawn Hunwick

 

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October 28th, 2012 at 1:05 AM | Seriously, and you can't say (Score:5 Normal)
Jonesy
Joined: 03/14/2012
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Seriously, and you can't say 'wait until he gets his players,' because compare that to what Mattison has done after RR completely ignored coaching and recruiting defense.

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October 28th, 2012 at 1:46 AM | I don't (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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Have the opp to give you points but I would..

Born and raised in northern MI, stuck in TN temporarily. Cannot wait to get back home.

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:49 PM | But to be fair, Mattison is (Score:3 Normal)
snarling wolverine
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But to be fair, Mattison is really, really good - probably one of the five best defensive coordinators in the country.  Almost no coordinator will look good in comparison to him.  I think the jury's out on Borges as OC.  I'm actually a little more concerned about him as our QB coach, to be honest.

 

 

 

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October 28th, 2012 at 2:28 AM | and honestly (Score:1)
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roundtree looked elite again today until denard got hurt. I was fucking excited.

Mike Martin told me he loves me. My life is quite possibly complete.

Join the bone marrow donor registry today: www.dkmsamericas.org (do it.)

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October 28th, 2012 at 9:22 AM | Your QB has all kinds of (Score:5 Normal)
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Your QB has all kinds of Michigan records... and national ones. And many times, he's been called "the most electrifying player in all of college football."  And now you have gone 2 games without a touchdown.    It's like Borges has been given the keys to a corvette and he's driving it like a freaking pinto. 

Now facing difficult defenses is one thing... but OSU just rolled Nebreaska a few weeks ago. I have a hard time believing their offense is THAT much better than ours, personnel wise.  I actually think we match up quite similarly.  But they score 60+ and we score 9.  To say it's frustrating is an understatement. 

Go Blue.  That it all.

My MGoYard

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October 28th, 2012 at 10:31 AM | have a hard time believing their offense is THAT much better (Score:3 Normal)
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I don't have any trouble believing that OSU's talent on offense is, overall, considerably better than ours. But to support your main point, OSU's head coach is a proven offensive mind who knows how to maximize the available talent he has on hand. Our offensive coordinator has yet to prove he is able to do that.


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October 28th, 2012 at 10:50 AM | Our OC answers to the HC.  If (Score:3 Normal)
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Our OC answers to the HC.  If Hoke truly has an issue with what he's seeing like the rest of us do then he has the power to change it.

Today.

And I'm not saying he has to fire him.  But he does need to excercise some supervisory oversite and demand changes in what's being called.  Two games with no TD's is no more acceptable than the defensive debacle under Rich.

 

 

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:57 PM | not to mention (Score:1)
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putting the headsets on in a game now and then and saying Al this isn't working. what are our options?

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October 28th, 2012 at 1:22 AM | An improvement (Score:5 Normal)
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At least we finally ran play-action off the veer stuff we actually run.  Hit for a big gain to Roundtree, drew a penalty, and almost hit for another (thought the overturn of the catch call was a bit harsh).

Still don't attack the flats in the passing game and telegraph shit regularly (can't believe we ran the throwback screen again with Bellomy in the game after they jumped it so aggressively early). 

That being said, the fact that Devin Gardner never entered the game at QB or that anyone thought Bellomy would be a better option under any circumstances is way more troubling than any nitpicking about playcalls.

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

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October 28th, 2012 at 9:31 AM | Yes - when many were excited (Score:1)
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about Gardner at WR, and how he was goign to get the 1 jersey ... well it didn't make any sense to take your big game experienced back up, and NOT practice and develop him at QB for an entire season. Especially when we now have either Gardner with a year less experience at QB reps, Bellomy, or freshman Shane as options next year.

The idea was fine last year for a couple of trick plays. They took a big gamble this year and the baloon payment just came due on the mortgage.

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October 28th, 2012 at 1:24 AM | Bollman? (Score:3 Normal)
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I think it's time to make a call. Bollman can't be THAT happy at BC.

HAIL

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October 28th, 2012 at 1:29 AM | I'm not a Borges fan. Our (Score:5 Normal)
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I'm not a Borges fan. Our output is far less than our talent level should produce. Northwestern has a better looking offense. You can't tell me they have more talent.

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October 28th, 2012 at 1:43 AM | At least our kickers can (Score:5 Normal)
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At least our kickers can kick!

I agree about Borges. He is a journeyman coordinator for a reason, you know. Borges must be one of those guys that looks and sounds like he knows exactly what he's talking about but in reality has no clue. Let's hope once we run a pro-style he's willing to mix it up a little bit, think 2008 Capital One Bowl vs. Florida.

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October 28th, 2012 at 1:48 AM | 2nd year in the offense, 6 (Score:5 Normal)
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2nd year in the offense, 6 pts against Notre Dame, 12 against Sparty, and 9 against Nebraska.

Last year we threw for 338 yards on ND. They lost their entire secondary this year and we only managed 138.

Sparties defense was better last year, and aided by a competent offense, and we managed 2 touchdowns last year on the road. This year they were a few players short, obvious defense was STILL obvious, and we managed zero touchdowns at home.

Last year we threw for 180 yards on Nebraska and ran for 238. This year: 93 and 95. Their defense took a huge step back, and we made them look damn good. Pelini hadn't even handed out the blackshirts this year at all because they were playing so bad. Maybe he will now, though.

We have a problem. 

How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:16 PM | I am currently building (Score:1)
Mike420GoBlue
Joined: 09/02/2012
MGoPoints: 291

Myself a bridge to jump off of. Glad to hear its not just me who thinks the offense has taken some rather large steps backward. I understand gotta keep the Lamborgini in the garage if you don't want it scratched up, but you can't win driving it like a golf cart. Not saying plow thru the line like a tank (RR offense) but you gotta take the leash off. Live by Denard's creativity, die by Denard's creativity

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October 28th, 2012 at 2:10 AM | All I know is that if I have (Score:5 Normal)
jaysvw
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All I know is that if I have to watch V. Smith run for another 1 yard gain I'm going to throw my f*cking TV into the pool.  

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October 28th, 2012 at 3:05 AM | Get Ready (Score:5 Normal)
ILL_Legel
Joined: 08/13/2010
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It is going to happen so at least get a shitty TV to throw in the pool. 

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October 28th, 2012 at 2:35 AM | Another stat of the evening: (Score:4 Normal)
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Another stat of the evening: Bellomy: 3/16 passing, 38 yards, 3 interceptions. He completed as many passes to our team as he did to Nebraska.

Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:23 AM | and sadly (Score:3 Normal)
Lampuki22
Joined: 09/16/2009
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looked worse than even those dismal stats.

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October 28th, 2012 at 2:46 AM | So who's a better (and reasonable) OC candidate? (Score:1)
SteelCityMafia
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Lefty?

"A Michigan man will coach Michigan."

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October 28th, 2012 at 2:09 PM | Please, God, no. (Score:0)
newtopos
Joined: 09/26/2009
MGoPoints: 78

Instead of going to Jurassic Park and looking for some Paleolithic football DNA to re-animate, can we hire an OC who runs a modern offense and has had recent success?  Someone from the Mumme/Leach/Holgerson/Dykes/et al. tree? 

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October 28th, 2012 at 2:54 AM | I'm concerned about our (Score:4 Normal)
Jacoby
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I'm concerned about our offensive recruits seeing this season and changing their minds about the quality of the offensive coaching staff.

New Orleans-based Wolverine fan.

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October 28th, 2012 at 10:00 AM | Very good point! (Score:1)
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Very good point!

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October 28th, 2012 at 3:02 AM | Yikes (Score:3 Normal)
BlueinLansing
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that is kind of pathetic

 

I watch a lot of football but I'm not a coach and I'll say this, I have no freakin idea what Al is doing.  None at all.  I didn't when he was at Auburn and I don't now.  It just makes no sense to me.  Every other college game I watched today I had an idea of the OC was trying to accomplish.

2nd and 3rd and longs in a power set with a running  QB.....WTF???

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October 28th, 2012 at 3:44 AM | its not all Al. our receivers (Score:1 Normal)
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its not all Al. our receivers cant catch AMD our qb's can't throw. you can't polish a turd.

And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan

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October 28th, 2012 at 9:34 AM | Sure you can. (Score:0 Overrated)
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If you poop gold. Maybe the poop gold era has passed.

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October 28th, 2012 at 10:40 AM | Poor excuse (Score:1)
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Not every offense in CFB is filled with 4 and 5 stars. Take the talent you have, coach them up, and find ways to get them doing things they are comfortable doing. Our defense does it. And the offense should too.

Hot dogs are the devil.

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October 28th, 2012 at 11:04 AM | According to this site, (Score:1)
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According to this site, Mattison has done exactly that with our defense. 

 

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October 28th, 2012 at 11:46 AM | A little research project (Score:4 Normal)
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Go look at Denard Robinson's passing numbers as a true sophomore.  Go look at Roy Roundtree's numbers from that same season.

Now look at what they have done since.  Calling our players turds because this coaching staff has made them less productive is lazy and unfair to them.

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

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October 28th, 2012 at 5:10 AM | That's a great point. I think (Score:4 Normal)
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That's a great point. I think a lot of it has to do with Denard's skill set not being what Borges wants out of a quarterback.

It's like he eliminated the plays that he thinks Denard can't do from his offense, kept the running plays and passing plays from his system that he thinks Denard can do, and then also kept Rich Rod zone read type plays that fit Denard's playing style.

While that doesn't sound all that bad in theory it makes the offense look like it lacks an identity a lot of the time. Rather than having a big picture offensive strategy through the game it's like Borges goes hey let's see if this play works!

I won't be so down on Al until he fails with a pro style passer but in my mind he's made the leash a bit shorter.

-Eternal guardian of the Prevent (you from winning) Defense

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October 28th, 2012 at 2:11 PM | Al and pro-style passers (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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You don't need to wait to see Al fail with pro-style passers.  Just look at his track record. 

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October 28th, 2012 at 5:34 AM | What the hell (Score:2)
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I'm here and had to watch this. For all I'm concerned that was Nick Sheridan not making pays. Holy hell that was bad and there's no stat that will make me happy

I have a Fandom Endurance III merit badge

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October 28th, 2012 at 7:56 AM | Let's not overlook the (Score:2)
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Let's not overlook the absolutely horrific job Fitz Touissant did blocking.  It was embarrassing. When you review the "Every snap: Offense" you'll see what I mean.

Goddamn shameful  

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:12 AM | I weep for the future of our (Score:4 Normal)
Deli Cuts
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I weep for the future of the offense, especially next year without Denard.

I need to update my avatar apparently...

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:14 AM | In the darkest defensive days (Score:5 Normal)
mGrowOld
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In the darkest defensive days of 2010 we ripped RR constantly for keeping his friend Tony Gibson in place as one of the defensive coaches.  RR was absolutely vilified for not putting the best interests of the team above that of his loyalty to a friend.

Will we do the same to Hoke if he stands behind Borges?  I think we keep forgetting Borges (who is also the QB coach - how's THAT working out for us) works for Hoke.  Brady could make a change today if he wanted to so the ultimate responsibility for this debacle falls on the HC....not the OC.

 

 

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:41 AM | Say your a race car driver (Score:2 Normal)
the Glove
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Say your a race car driver for the last 25 years, then one day you get handed the keys to a jet. Do you think it would be a comfortable transition? Before you burn Borges on a steak maybe you should let him have the chance to run his offense with his people. They just had a coaching change, everyone was spoiled with the senior class that we had last year. A good portion of the plays that he is calling are plays that he's never called in his career.

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:44 AM | Mmmmmm (Score:5 Normal)
sammylittle
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Borges on a steak.

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:22 PM | HaHaHaHa (Score:-1 Flamebait)
ole luther
Joined: 11/22/2009
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Thank you sammylittle. I read right through that.

Been reading these serious venting blogs too long now and that added the levity I needed!

"non bastardo carberundum" ("don't let the bastards grind you down")

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:53 AM | Ok good analogy.  Lets say (Score:3 Normal)
mGrowOld
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Ok good analogy.  Lets say I'm a race car driver for 25 years.  And one year i do nothing but hit walls, other cars, blow up my engine and generally suck in every race i'm in against other good race car drivers.  When I race go carts I'm fine...as a matter of fact i stomp the guts out of the other go cart drivers but when I'm facing competition driving real race cars and not just go carts I really, really suck.

When would the owner of my race car start looking for a change in drivers?  

 

 

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October 28th, 2012 at 9:48 AM | Funny (Score:4 Normal)
BlastBeat88
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somehow this rationalization was considered unacceptable under the previous regime, and now apparently it's perfectly valid. Huh.

No excuses. Play like a champion.

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October 28th, 2012 at 11:42 AM | The problem with Rich Rod (Score:3 Normal)
snarling wolverine
Joined: 12/14/2011
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The problem with Rich Rod wasn't the offense.  If he had been judged solely on his performance on that side of the ball, he'd still be here.  

 

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:24 PM | please, please, please,..... (Score:-1 Overrated)
ole luther
Joined: 11/22/2009
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read "three and out" by John U. Bacon.

"non bastardo carberundum" ("don't let the bastards grind you down")

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October 28th, 2012 at 10:19 AM | If Borges hadn't invoked the (Score:2)
Wendyk5
Joined: 11/20/2008
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If Borges hadn't invoked the name and amazing turnaround of Cade McNown in the off season, I might be willing to buy into this. 

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:43 AM | Too Abrupt (Score:2)
sammylittle
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If a change is made it should come after the season. If imagine Hoke will have a pretty serious meeting with Borges this week.

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:26 PM | As opposed to a serious (Score:-1 Trolling)
ole luther
Joined: 11/22/2009
MGoPoints: 71

As opposed to a serious meeting at halftime of the Nebraska game.

"non bastardo carberundum" ("don't let the bastards grind you down")

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:25 AM | Anyone happen to know the (Score:1)
artds
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Anyone happen to know the last time we went 8 quarters w/o a TD?

Every time an MGoBoard poster complains about a thread topic, God kills a baby panda.

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:28 PM | 1962 (Score:-1 Flamebait)
ole luther
Joined: 11/22/2009
MGoPoints: 71

1962

"non bastardo carberundum" ("don't let the bastards grind you down")

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October 28th, 2012 at 8:45 AM | When I think.... (Score:3 Normal)
Bosch
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of Borges on the sideline, I can't help but imagine him slinking out of sight like the coach in Waterboy (Fonzi) after his playbook got stolen....

All right Lemmings. Bring the heat.

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October 28th, 2012 at 9:00 AM | Everybody calm down (Score:3 Normal)
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We'll break out our best plays vs Minnesota

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