Sounds like a VT game
VT doesn't get Bob Dole
will now replace "the victors" as our touchdown song.
I lol'd sir.
you forgot one
Boise State is practically begging top tier programs to play them for their non conference schedule. I would like to see Michigan open against Boise State then play ND at night the following week.
Horrible idea. ND is a tough foe and you want our opening game to be another tough one, so we can be semi-prepared for both? How about we keep it like it is: easy foe to warm up for ND? Beating ND at night is plenty good enough for me.
IMHO, this attitude is ruining college football. Sure, I'd love to win a national championship. But I, for one, would rather play a non-creampuff schedule and risk losing to a good team than watch a thousand games against the likes of Delaware State. Those games are meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
LSU won the title a few years back with a couple of losses. Losses to solid teams early in the year aren't necessarily a death sentence in the national championship race. And they're far more entertaining for the fans, and more interesting for the players.
And they provide more teachable moments for the coaches and players.
Gimme Boise St. and Notre Dame. I'll take Colorado, Oregon and UCLA again, too. Syracuse, Florida State, etc. I think you see my point.
"Losses to solid teams early in the year aren't necessarily a death sentence in the national championship race."
Yeah, Just ask Ohio State!!!
They think they could beat us.
That may be why. Boise fans are smart, and they don't want to be irrelevant after running into Saban's buzzsaw in week 1. The idea of beating a down-on-their-luck giant to get a big name win sounds much more appealing.
Michigan fans vote for themselves in everything. They probably found the poll, circulated it on a scout board, and watched the votes pile up.
So what you are saying is that Pinchers isn't really better than Anna Maria?
Damn, I didn't follow that whole story until the end. Looks like Tater is in the lead for total douche of the year so far.
I know what you mean about reflex M voting: I just voted for Michigan in that "college needing a dong punch" poll floating around the Internets.
Sorry to let the cat out, but Michigan is planning on playing Alabama in the Chik-Fil-A thing in Atlanta. You heard that BS here first.
The media treats them like the Cinderella that they once were, even though they are a big time program. Also: people think they should be in the MNC game every year after beating one good team, two or three decent ones, and a bunch of Baby Seals.
And by decent you mean generally mediocre.
Boise beats Michigan and it's a big deal. Michigan beats Boise and everyone shrugs.
Boise State BCS wins: 2 (within last 5 years)
Michigan BCS wins: 1 (10 years ago)
Yeah, a definite no-win for Boise, they might as well schedule a team that wins something once in a while.
they beat an overrated oklahoma team that shouldnt have even won the big 12 and was nowhere near the "goliath" people tried to make them out to be and then beat another mid-major...
Dude that Oklahoma team was 11-2, with one of those losses being to Texas in the Shootout and the other being the legendary Oregon game where everybody in the world agrees that the wrong call gave the Ducks the game, and Stoops had ADRIAN PETERSON at running back. What in the hell was overrated about them?
I'll give them the OU win, but not TCU. Beating TCU in a BCS game is a bit of a cop out, IMO. Our Cap1 Bowl win over Heisman winner Tebow was at least as good (if not better) of a win than Boise over TCU.
And our other BCS chances were against VY's Texas team (who we almost beat, and who wouldn't lose again until after VY left) and 2 games against USC in LA, at least one who should have been playing in the Championship game. We've had about as tough of match-ups in BCS games as anyone.
I bet they were bummed out to hear they wouldn't get a crack at Florida or Cincinnati. Now, I doubt they would have beaten Florida. But you can't blame them for the BCS's cop-out.
I don't blame them, but I don't give them too much credit for the win either. I think that our win over Florida after the 2007 season is as impressive as their win over TCU this past year, despite what the name of the bowl was.
It's shitty that the BCS had that match-up. BSU and TCU were the only 2 teams in BCS bowls who may or may not have deserved it. All the other teams either won their BCS conference, or was second in a competitive BCS conference. Both TCU and Boise had good seasons, but because it was mostly against second tier talent, we don't know how they would have stacked up agains the real BCS teams.
because nobody gives them the chance to play top-tier talent. They've beat all comers for the last two years (and most comers for the past 5) and should be moved up to the A-league.
They're trying. The BCS system and the fallout of that are preventing Boise St from truly becoming relevant.
That and the fact that its a school that no conference wants. Boise devotes all of its resources into football. It would be a better football fit them to be in the Big 12 or Pac 10, but it wont happen because they don't bring anything else to the table other than a decent football team.
Oklahoma was good that year, but going into that game they were ranked behind at least two teams that didn't win their conference (UM and LSU). The Big 12 had a bad down year that year. Iowa went 2-6 in the Big Ten and they almost beat Tejas in their bowl game. That year the Big East was actually better than the Big 12. And Oklahoma's quarterback sucked big time. They weren't the Goliath that they have been built up to be. If I remember right, the point spread for the game wasn't that big. And then Boise State needed OT and two trick plays to win.
so if youre good you cant be overrated? im not saying they were some horrible team, but they werent as good as everyone was trying to make them out to be
It's not like Boise is Appalachian St (oops). 'Sides if we're afraid of Boise St can we really expect to hang with Notre Dame and Ohio State?
so with that rationale our schedule every year should be:
there is value to victories man. and a smart team doesn't overload itself with blue chip opponents because there's only so much time to prepare for the tough foes.
BSU would be a tragic scheduling error for UM at this point.
I'll use your same move: by your rational we should only play App. St. (oops), Toledo (oops, again), and Baby Seal U in our OOC...right?
I never said to stack the OOC with a who's who of the year-in-year-out top 10. I said you shouldn't be afraid of playing a team like Boise State if you consider yourself to be a top notch football program. I know there's value to victories, so go beat a good team.
Boise State is a good team for us to schedule especially in 2011. We'll be much better and they'll be losing a lot of starters and maybe even their coach. Their stock will still be high.
How about Auburn, Arkansas, or South Carolina...should we be afraid of playing them?
It's not about being afraid to play them. ND is our top tier OOC team, and with a new coach they very well could be back to being decent soon.
Name more than about 2 or 3 BCS conference teams that schedules more than one tough OOC team. It's rare, and I'm not sure we're in the position (yet) to be scheduling a who's who of college football before the Big Ten season starts.
First off, why should we care about what other people do? But, for discussion's sake, look at Virginia Tech's OOC schedule last season:
Wk1: Alabama (5)
Wk3: Nebraska (19)
They followed that up with their conference opener Miami(Fl) ranked 9th. Michigan, and the other "1337s" for that matter, are way to soft to sign up for a schedule like that. This discussion is proof positive. We wouldn't have signed up for it in 2006 or 2007 either. Two of our best returning squads in a LONG time.
On one hand Boise State, TCU, and Cincinnati get dogged for not playing any of the big boys, on the other the big boys are scarred of playing them. I know what you're getting at but listen (or rather read yourself) to your self. Michigan is in the who's who of college football!
This is a really bizarre discussion...for realz. "We're too good to play them, they might beat us."
They ended up ranked in the top ten 3 of the last 5 years. The reason why they haven't made the BCS championship game is because they haven't had an undefeated or 1-loss season recently. The last time they did (1999 and 2000) they played in the National Championship game both times. Put it this way, if VaTech were Boise St or TCU, they'd have played for the trophy last year. Also, no one's signing up to play them either.
Not many programs schedule multiples.
My votes go to USC, Canes (under Shannon), Stanford (given that they play ND every year and have played H&Hs with TCU, BYU and BC the last 10 years), Va Tech, as has been mentioned here ...
... and special mention to Colorado, which may be the poster child for those who don't want tough OOC games. Buffs play CSU every year, which most might say "meh" but it's their in-state rival, so always tough.
Check this out:
2010: Cal and Georgia & CSU
2009: CSU and WVU
2008: CSU, WVU and Fla. St.
2007: CSU, ASU and Fla. St.
2006: CSU, ASU and Georgia
2005: CSU and Canes
2003: UCLA, CSU and Fla. St.
2002: UCLA, CSU and USC
Man, no wonder they can't turn that ship around.
Boise State isn't a lose-lose anymore. The program has a lot of national respect. Enough to get Michigan fired up when they play them and not overlook them. Enough to where if Michigan beats them in the first game of next year (they'll probably be ranked), they'll get appropriate credit. To me, lose-lose games are contests like Boston College and UConn that nobody ever pays attention to but are usually solid.
I would agree to a certain extent. I don't think Boise is a lose lose for a lower to mid tier major conference team, something like Indiana, Illinois, and Northwestern. I realize that we fall into that category at the moment, but I would think there's at least some prestige in beating us, even when we're down.
I mean, look at Utah 2008. People still talk about that team and how it could have played for the NT, even though they barely beat a Michigan team that was platooning(!) Steve Threet and Nick Sheridan. Nobody mentions that Michigan went on to go 3-9, or that it was the first game of Rodriguez's first year. It's just "They beat Michigan"
You sure woke up on the wrong side of the dick fence today didn't you.
I can see your argument, and it is true, that nationally speaking each team schedules at least one creampuff to bloat their win total. But backing down from them because it would be two tough games in a row is a sadly defeatist attitude. On the flip side of your argument, losing to Boise St. is a lot better than losing to Appy State. I know the last two years have been tough, but is it that bad that we don't want to play top-level programs any more?
the current AD did not schedule UConn. i think UM learned their lesson a while back that there is more to be lost playing a school with "david" standing than there is to be gained. given recent history, i think UM would be more david to BSU's goliath, but you get the point.
2011 will be a really exciting home schedule ND at night, osu the saturday after thanksgiving.
blue hair 'splosions!!!
Boise plays a spread, right? Having the 335 with some game experience would come in handy for that game. Having an early season headliner would be good for the program too. I can't really believe people are afraid of playing these guys.
they play a lot of TE/I-Form power stuff.
That would be a game I would love to see! Can you say Maize turf? (Sarcasm, people).
would be better than this year. They lost one starter from last years winner of the BCS JV game. They will lose a few more for next year and probably one of them will be Kellen Moore to the NFL.
Eff Boise State. They want a big name and say it's because "We want to play in the Big House!" when in fact their #1 choice is a big time program (ours) when it's at it's lowest point in decades. Real brave of you Boise State... How about you line up Florida or Ohio State? No, pick on the down teams... Another reason why Boise State doesn't deserve a real BCS title game shot.
For us, this is lose/lose. We beat them, whoopee it's BSU, who cares. We lose, that sucks.
1. Dude it's an internet poll.
2. Your superiority complex is blocking my driveway; could you move forward a little bit?
3. Do you think they were picking on down teams when they scheduled Oregon for a home-and-home in 2008 and 2009, or VPISU in 2010?
We'll be stacked in 2011...Boise St. will lose a ton of guys so they'll be retooling....the game will get plenty of hype and we can pound them. To the average idiot we'll get a big boost in our profile. Book it.
I think this is more the scenario. Boise has been on the top of the rankings for a little while, and they are really hyped for this fall too. If they are coming off back-to-back undefeated seasons, public opinion on them will be really high. Either way, by Sept 2011 people will see Boise St. as a big time non-conference game, and we're set up to be stacked in 2011. We would be the team to break their 2+ season win streak.
A good statement win to begin our national championship season.
But the chances aren't any better than expecting LSU or USC. It'll be some MAC opponent—how about some revenge on Toledo—or a Sun Belt team.
There is no upside here for us. If we win, Boise State (having lost its opener), will go unranked or lowly ranked for the rest of the season, so we won't get all that much of a bump up for it, and if we lose, then unless Boise State goes to a BCS Bowl, we lost to a non-major. Not sure why we would do this. Plus, with Boise State's insane offense, they can beat anyone on any given Saturday. (Note, not saying that we should be afraid to take on teams that can beat us, but playing a wild card team such as this on the open, with such a limited upside just doesn't make sense, in my opinion).
Boise will probably be ranked pretty high to start 2011--losing starters or no, people will rank them at least in the top-20 if they have another good year this year. Beating them to start the season would make UM jump up significantly, irrespective of how either team does from there on out. It might impact the BCS rankings, but I'm a pessimist and don't expect UM to be in the MNC hunt in 2011, so it's kind of a moot point.
I would rather beat up on a scrub low tier team 63-6 then beat ND at night the next week
Glad to see that the Michigan superiority complex has survived 8-16. No snark.
Dude, did you see the scrimmage last weekend? We're BACK.
An opener against Boise State would kick ass. It's reasonable to play two somewhat tough games back-to-back to open the season. A back-to-back pair like BSU/ND wouldn't be tougher than in-conference pairs that we face on a yearly basis. And we don't know if the games will be that tough. Boise State basically has one decent road victory this decade -- at Oregon. I haven't looked at Boise State's depth chart, but I expect them to lose lots of seniors since this year and last they had so many guys returning. With four non-conference games, there's no excuse for not having at least two decent games.
The Boise doubt and disrepect never gets old.
Interesting that nobody took up my offer up a year ago. I'll offer the same in the Va Tech game. Maybe some of the people out there who are so convinvced that Boise doesnt belong on the stage will put their money where their mouth is. For once.
I kind of like it because it would be a big name team and with a win over them and ND, we could be in the top 10 (if ND is any good). But I wouldn't like to be 1-1 or 0-2 in a year where we could have a shot at the Capital One Bowl or even Rose Bowl (probably not but I can dream). If we lose to Boise St. then the game against ND at night will put a TON of pressure on Michigan to win. It'd be like the App St/Oregon where we started out 0-2 and just wanted to give up on life.
Bring em on. ND and Boise on the same day. Day night doubleheader. Tate Starts the opener and bring in Denard for the nightcap.
this idea has legs
They need to be knocked down a peg or two, and a good old fashioned Big Ten ass whooping in the Big House may be just what the doctor ordered. I say bring em' on.
App State for revenge. No mercy.
The 1999 game was Va Tech against FSU. The 2000 NC game pitted OK against FSU.
I'd love to Michigan play Va Tech, although I doubt it would happen unless it's during a year ND is off the schedule.
I don't know why people here are dumping on Boise State fans, either. If I were a BSU fan, I'd love to play Michigan, along with a host of other big-time names. And as aamichfan points out, the Big House is a pretty noteworthy stadium.
I forgot they lost to Miami (#3) late in that season when they were ranked #2. Still point was that Va Tech gets plenty of love when they deserve it.
Boise St. would be a nice win against a ranked opponent but a week before the ND game I would like a slightly easier opponent. I would love to open with WVU and whip the shit out of them. It is the perfect match up, their not too good anymore and you can guarantee we won't have trouble getting up to play them.
The reason Michigan is at the top is probably because they think Michigan will continue to struggle, thus being a beatable team with a big name. I think it might be really funny if Michigan reminded them of the two teams' relative positions on college football's food chain.
There is no way BSU beats UM in 2011.
Bring in App. State for a rematch.
Day late, buck short.
Maybe this has been covered already, but I wonder if Michigan will be more likely to schedule home-and-away games against tough opponents now that David Brandon has replaced Bill Martin, who was adamantly against scheduling such games.
Notre Dame for 15 years or w/e.
I am all for scheduling tougher out of conference teams. I hate playing bottom level MAC teams and Division I-FCS powerhouses. The argument that we are too good of a program to schedule good teams OOC is ridiculous. I would obviously love to win a National Championship! However, I would struggle to say a Rose Bowl birth/victory is a failed season. So what if we drop a couple OOC games in the process (granted I will hate them at the time...), but these games mean nothing to the team's number one goal year in and year out, and that is a Big Ten Championship. We should definitely schedule nationally respected opponents. I am not saying bring in USC, Florida, Texas, and the like every season (once in a while would be great!), but why not a Boise St. or a mid-level SEC, Big XII, or Pac 10 team or two each year. There is something to be gained from playing quality competition, and I think Michigan should now more than ever, get down off its high horse, and schedule some meaningful OOC games.
I hate to say it, but that game would scare the crap out of me. I expect us to have a strong team in 2011 but to play that game right out of the gate, I don't know. We act now like it wouldn't be a big deal if we were to lose, but if it actually happened...
After sleeping on this for a night, I like the idea even more. The positive buzz around the Michigan program going into 2011 with this game would be enormous. Boise State to open, ND at night the following week. The first weekend of the year is usually full of "BCS team vs tomato can" contests, so a Boise-Michigan contest would get extra attention. We need to be in the limelight in a good way for a change and this would help. RichRod could use all of that buzz as a recruiting tool.
History would prove that playing the Baby Seal's of the world is way more lose/lose than it would be playing Boise. What's worse, losing to Boise or App or Toledo or Purdue? I would much rather play Boise and win/lose than play another cream puff team and win/lose. I guess my point is, there is no sure thing and I would much rather have the team that I love and root for play games that mean something. Sure, its pretty fun to watch the youngsters get in on a 789 point win, but where's the real value there if it comes against a d2 team?.With the way this offense puts up points when it's humming, I think we'll be able to do that against the lower B10 competition. That would probably be much better talent and provide more value for our mop up players.Even though we lost a couple of them, it was much more fun to watch when we played Oregon, Utah and some other team from the 90's that I will not say. It's not like our OOC schedule has to be full of powerhouses, just maybe 2 recognizable teams and then one of our directional schools. This is a rambling post, sorry about that.
N0: scheming effort put into BSU = less scheming effort for ND at night
Can you all imagine the amount of scheming one has to conduct for Boise State? There would be little left (perhaps just the week before) for the night game with ND. The coaching staff should have months to put into beating ND at night in the Big House. Having to scheme for BSU would detract too much from this. Having the night game with ND is great; losing that game, when every college football fan on earth is watching, not so much. Save the BSU opener/game for another year.