Just more of what we already knew, from this site and from the Woolfolk presser. We'll only find out once the season starts.
Starting QB Race
Tate is Outbreak
Denard is the orange juice
Sorry about the repost from the main page. Just thought the other quotes in there were worth reading.
I agree. I loke Troy's honesty.
I don't really think it's his place to say anything about other position battles (especially offense) during the off-season. When in doubt, keep a lid on it.
Troy is a senior captain. He was chosen by RR to be a media rep at this get-together.
I'm pretty sure he's not saying anything that isn't permitted by RR, given how many times RR has mentioned Tate and his immaturity since the end of the 2009 season.
Just get ready for the Denardening - 2010, and enjoy the ride.
I have been a pretty steadfast supporter of Forcier because I like the "QB sense" he brings to the table. These kinds of quotes are very troubling to me, though. Leadership is one of those intangibles people like me keep spouting off about. QBs are by nature looked at skeptically by the rest of the team because they get special treatment (ie red jerseys) and a lot of press and credit. They need to go above and beyond in everything they do to move past that and earn the respect of the team. I would like to see the QB be able to lead a team like the scene from the program (before they edited it out because dumbass kids were actually doing it) where the team followed the QB into the street. If that guy is Denard and not Tate I will have to start changing my tune. We shall see.
Agree. Sounds to me like this is the Senior captain calling out the Soph "star" (who is rumored to have some "off-field maturity issues", i.e. I'll go to voluntary work-outs when I can make it). Either start showing up and competing for your "righful" spot or get the F off the field. Either way The Team will move on.
senior leadership, Troy sounds like quite an asset to the team. It seems that 'who's gonna start' is a question Troy, Steve, and Mark would be prepared to answer.
I think it is safe to assume that guys have been on Tate to be at all the voluntary workouts throughout the off-season. If he hasn't gotten that he needs to be a leader if he wants to play QB, then hopefully calling him out will give him the attitude adjustment he needs.
Now, Tate can take this two ways. One, he realizes his mistakes and mans up. This benefits the team because now you have two guys working their asses off for the starting QB position, both of whom have the respect of the locker room (after Tate earns it back). Two, he takes it the wrong way and further distances himself from the team. If he isn't mature enough to realize that Troy is saying this for the good of the team, and not for the sake of embarrassing Tate, then honestly, he isn't capable of leading this team. The decision is his, and his alone, the team can only push him in the right direction.
Airing out your team's dirty laundry to the media never goes anywhere good. And it appears Woolfolk is already trying to retract his statements:
Oh boy, the first team meeting on Sunday sure is going to be interesting.
I think Troy did a nice job of not completely throwing Tate under the bus. But if Tate is not getting bigger or stronger there is no way he can last the season. I hope the kid gets going we need him or Gardner is going to see the field this year. Also good for Shoelace showing leadership it makes me like the dude even more.
I had heard the same thing about Tate slacking off with workouts and being around a couple weeks ago but never mentioned anything cuz I didn't want to start a huge uproar. I had heard that Tate hasn't been around the team and working out for about 3 weeks. Like it said that was a about 2 weeks ago I had heard this rumor.
half-assing would be an improvement for Tate in Troy's mind
In reading through the quotes from the players, you can detect a real preference for Denard. Maybe I am reading to much into this, but I hope that Tate has not lost the respect of his teammates, as it appears.
as we win
Harsher words from Woolfolk than had been previously brought up. Wow.
Obviously I hope that Tate works up to his full potential, but I love hearing that Robinson is earning the team's trust. He certainly wasn't lacking confidence last year, and once he gets that zone read down pat, watch out.
...is that we have options. Tate seems to be fairly poised in crucial game situations and delivers the ball pretty well. Conversely, the offensive scheme, like it or hate it, is tailor-made for a guy with Denard's skill set.
The Tate work ethic issue is troubling. The guys clearly want to see him at voluntary workouts. To me, this suggests he is a bit overconfident.
We'll know who is the leader and best QB in:
There's really nothing voluntary about voluntary workouts. If you've got 2 guys that are fairly close to one another skillwise, the coaches are definitely going to go with the guy who's been working harder.
Teammates' collective respect for a player is nothing to underestimate, and it's clear than Denard is winning in that department right now.
Even if you're a RichRod hater and lack confidence in anything else he might do, trust this: his starting quarterback on Sept. 4 will be the player who gives the team the best chance to win that day.
As far as Troy W.'s comments, I don't know what to think. Tate's a gamer, and there are two sides to every story, so I'm not passing judgment other than to say I hope Troy's comments are an exaggeration or an express attempt to light a fire under Tate. Maybe Tate will go public with a response, but I really hope not.
Would rather see him respond by going to practice next week, fighting like hell for his job, and proving Troy wrong.
mass alcohol consumption
... that "Shoelace" has the job tied-up?
Hardy har har.
For putting the shoe on the other foot.
Is on the other foot Saddam!
I was dreading someone would respond with a bad pun
It's not like he asked Saddam if he wants to hang out for a bit.
He's getting paid a full scholarship to be QB, he'd better step the fuck up. You lost 7 games, kid, get your ass out there to get better.
now please, stop talking for a while.
I see where you're coming from, but the language is pretty harsh. You don't know the full range of circumstances surrounding the situation. If he is in fact loafing off, and skipping practice, then I am right there with you. He may be hurt and too proud to say anything, or may have some extenuating circumstances at home or regarding a relationship with the coaching staff. I'll wait until I hear more from our first weeks of practice and so forth before choosing which side of the fence I'm on. This seems like a sticky situation. On the other hand, I've been hoping that Denard can step up and lead the team since last summer. Would love to see what the kid has to offer once he gets the offense down.
How awesome would it be if Forcier was in on this. "Hey Troy, stir the pot a little bit! See what happens if you tell them everyone on the team thinks I'm a slacker! Give the Freep something to really write about!"
100% pure Colombian.
they will play the guy (or guys) that give us the best chance to win. That Denard is improved a lot over last year is exciting.
That said, I also need to say this. I HATE ND even more than Blow-Hio State. Tate led the team past ND last year, giving me the best thrill as a fan that I've had in the past two years. Whatever happens from here on out, I'll always remember Tate for that. THANKS TATE!!!
Now, may the best man win. I'm optimistic no matter which guy gets the nod.
leave. Brace yourself, the Freep has already written the headline.
Tate Forcier Michigan's starting QB transfers, all Rich Rodriguez's fault.
would that be the headline you were looking for?
I echo the sentiment of many MGoFollowers. Whoever has the best talent to lead the team to success at QB should be the starter. Obviously, it would be a shame if Tate is slacking off and not going to workouts. He needs to work out tremendously over the summer. If Denard gets the opening game nod then obviously he is the chosen one. Too bad for Tate. Same goes if it is the other way around.
I wish I could say anything in this article surprised me in the slightest.
not summer workouts, will determine the starter against UConn.
If you want to get better you better jump on the oppurtunity to get better. Whoever puts forth the most effort will win the starting job.
Denard seems better suited for the offense, in its current form (though some say Magee favors a move to a more TT-style offense). But if he starts, that means once again having an inexperienced guy out there. Granted, we would have an experienced backup to turn to if need be. In any event, if what Woolfolk says is true, what is wrong with Tate? He's got to get it together. Even if he isn't the opening-game starter, you know at some point we're going to need him.
I love Tate as a ballplayer, but he is not going to be a durable/ breakaway running threat as a ballcarrier......and that threat opens up the passing.
Much as I would like to see Gardner redshirt, he actually has plenty of experience running this type of spread, and he looks as if he runs very well.
he actually has plenty of experience running this type of spread.
I'd encourage you to take a look at the youtube video of Devin's performance in the Spring Game. That game represents his only game experience against anything approaching a college defense. Can you tell me he looked game-ready?
There's a decent chance that they're just trying to light a fire under Tate's ass going into fall practice. Let's not jump out the window just yet.
Even if there's no secretly double-stealth alternative motive, why would anybody jump out a window? The other side of this story that few people here are emphasizing is that Denard is working his ass off and gaining respect.
I, for one, am happy.
Because after the last couple of years, we tend to see even slight signs of adversity as the wrath of Angry Michigan Hating God, which leads to the gnashing of teeth, rending of garments, and flaming of MGoBoards.
I agree that the DRob stuff is extremely encouraging. But even if Denard is turning into the quarterback we all pray he becomes, we still need an effective and prepared Tate for two related reasons:
1) Denard will get dinged up at some point, and we need an effective back-up. We don't want to be a tweaked ankle or jammed finger away from another year of playing a true freshman in meaningful situations.
2) We need two quarterbacks if we're going to redshirt Devin Gardner.
Those are some pretty discouraging quotes regarding Tate. Even if Woolfolk shouldn't be saying anything, the fact that he and others seem to feel that way does not bode well for Forcier in the locker room.
EDIT: Unless what Blue in SB said is correct.....although I wonder if doing it via interview to the school newspaper is the best way to go about it.
RT @TWoolf29 A story was written about me putting Tate in a negative aspect. This was phrased wrongly and is not the truth. (more)
RT @TWoolf29 I think Tate is a greatplayer
Oh boy! Drama! This will help pass the time!
Over/Under on threads over the next 36 hours is 3.5.
Gotta love media day.
That's it Troy. Genuinely. Get that good stuff out right now and right away
RR didn't want anything like the "diseased" stuff going around. It's All In for the Team, not All In for the Team*
RR should put these two in a bull-in-the-ring drill on the first day of practice. Work it out and get on with it. Everyone on this team is needed*
Tate and Robinson are encased in bubble wrap right now, along with the starting secondary.
Bull in the ring is just a bad idea.
If TWoolf's comments were out of context/phrased wrongly and he is the leader we all hope he is, then he's already talked to Tate and clarified any misunderstandings. If he is indeed trying to send a message then hopefully it lights a fire under Tate's ass. Tate is going to have to grow up at some point. DRob wants his job, time to step up your game bud. Welcome to the real world.
Was T-Wolf cleared to speak about this topic today? I just feel like with all the media sh*tstorms we've endured over the past two years that they'd have their key messages more buttoned up. I guess that's what I'm getting most hung up on.
The smell of drama in the air is ripe. Football season must be near.
grumble grumble grumble
Whichever QB works his ass off, earns the respect of his teammates, runs the offense efficiently, and gives the coaches confidence will play. And that will most likely be at least Forcier and Robinson, but maybe Gardner as well. Let's just see how it plays out, it is going to be fascinating.
Unless Gardner is ready to take us to the Rose Bowl on his shoulders this year, we really, really shouldn't burn his redshirt.
I dont remember the exact quote but I remember Tate saying after the Ohio State game, something to the effect of "Im going to work my ass off this offseason to get better because I need to get better". Funny now it seems like hes is the one lacking the work ethic. I really like Tate, I think he has a chance to be a good QB. Im still not sure if I trust Drob when it comes to throwing the ball but I definetly think his skill set is a perfect fit for our offense. If hes been working hard and shows the ability to read defenses and make smart decisions, he should be the starter.
...that before he got hurt, Tate was performing well and Michigan was winning. The ND comeback game was a remarkable performance for a freshman QB.
He has ability. Let's just hope he isn't resting on his laurels.
How do we know Denard can throw now? What is that based on?
About a dozen throws in the Spring Game against the second string of one of last season's worst secondaries. There's no reason to be concerned.
I have watched that WMU run by Denard a lot, and I've played NCAA 2011 a lot. I have never made anything close like that run happen in NCAA 2011.
Put down the controller and step away from your PS3.
NCAA 2011 is just a game. It is not real.
Littered the comments of that Daily article...Is this a reasonable concern? I personally have heard first hand accounts of his partying and an off-campus living situation from last year, and definitely witnessed a lack of focus / exploding ego developing so these stories seem to be plausible.
Everyone needs to relax and hop onboard the DenardWagon. It's going to be awesome, trust me.
Have we learned nothing from various journalists who shall not be named?
You are taking some very vague comments from one player and spinning the proverbial mountain from a mole hill. Like a college football sewing circle with gossip, gossip, gossip.
So Troy indicated that Tate may have missed some 'voluntary' stuff.....could he have been doing rehab, or directed off of workouts for a bit as part of his shoulder treatment? Would Troy have been in the know on all that, or might he have just sort of made an innocent comment based on an uninformed observation?
Would it be possible that other players might have a different perception?
You guys have turned a speculative statement about not being at a voluntary summer workout, mixed it with pure rumor, and have now labeled forcier as immature, lacking in work ethic and (gulp) a pothead.
If RR made some comments about maturity, please remember that he uses player competition to fuel improvement and please remember that he may just be trying to make sure Tate stays on edge and keep pushing himself...right? It would also be in RR's best interest to present opponents with the possibility that any QB could start to the detriment of their ability to prepare for just one.
Let's all just take a few steps back and not anoint any kings nor brand any fools based on a paucity of evidence. You aren't going to know who is starting the starting QB until the Uconn game, get used to that.
Why am I beginning to sense that one of the major storylines in the B10 this season is going to be how Denard is upstaging Pryor as the most exciting player in the B10? We all know that Pryor is going to fail to live up to his preseason billing (just like last year), but could it be that Denard will be stealling all the headlines each week and The Game for 2010 turns into a Denard-Pryor celebrity deathmatch?
Denard for president