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Stan Edwards Call to WTKA

So 2 weeks ago Stan called in to blast Brian and Craig Ross for their criticism of ex players toward Rodriguez.   Stan had me fired up as he told them that he went to see RR last week to offer his support.  As a decorated alum and RR's open door policy toward them I am sure he has access to practice, facilities,  whatever.

So today he called into the recruiting roundup and threw Beilein under the bus with a story about him not accepting B. Kearney which nobody had heard including Sam and then asked Sam a question about one of his kids who is a Sophmore in football and how much contact he can have with schools as he intimated he was disappointed he hadn't heard from Michigan yet, but had heard from Oregon(at this point Sam explained only a questionare could be sent or it was illegal contact and that Mich had to be on its best behavior). 

I guess my question is if he went and saw RR last week, couldn't he just tell him about the kid and ask him to send him a questionare or talk to Singleton about the rules.   To call publicly just seemed like a way to jab at the staff at not being on top of an instate kid we can't even talk to anyway.   Seemed very odd.

Also, what happened to R. Leach on WTKA.  He used to call all the time and now I never hear from him.  I know he took a lot of heat when Lloyd went to the Iowa game and he fried him for it, but was there something else that happened that stops him from coming on with Sam?

 

 

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December 20th, 2010 at 11:59 AM | Too much drama. (Score:1)
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Just win.

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:02 PM | ctp"tsutb";cnc (Score:1)
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ctp"tsutb";cnc

(containted the phrase "threw somebody under the bus"; could not continue)

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:13 PM | Sorry (Score:1)
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You made the right call, but when you are in a hurry at work sometimes you fall back into coach speak as you rattle on.   At least I didn't say "we're working real hard and I'm hoping we win the turnover battle".

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:57 PM | 2nd Paragraph (Score:1)
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Was that entire 2nd paragraph one sentence?

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December 20th, 2010 at 5:12 PM | If you follow the standard (Score:1)
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If you follow the standard rules for paragraphs on the internet, you generally get people freaking out about walls of text or "tl;dr".

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:02 PM | I think it is Brandon (Score:1)
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telling the ex-players to STFU. Leach has

not said anything since Brandon became AD.

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:15 PM | Decent theory (Score:1)
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The way Brandon has been talking I was wondering if he was going to have a little speech to that effect after the bowl game.  So I guess that wouldn't surprise me.

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December 20th, 2010 at 1:19 PM | So how would you explain Stan (Score:1)
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So how would you explain Stan Edwards? Not sarcasm, just wondering. Rick seems like he would be a lot harder to control than Stan. I love both guys, but Rick seems a bit more, well, harder to keep hinged than Stan.

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December 20th, 2010 at 1:33 PM | Brandon was closer to Rick in years played/attended UM (Score:1)
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I would assume he would have a closer relationship with Rick just for that reason. I think Dave and Rick even overlapped one year. 

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:04 PM | Some of these recruiting rules are broken so often (Score:1)
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...people don't even realize that they're rules.  Now it looks like M is sleeping when in fact they're just doing what everyone is supposed to do.  Chris Wormley ('12 DE) was a little thrown off by the fact that M didn't contact him as soon as everyone else until he was told that everyone else jumped the gun. 

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:37 PM | I'm all for following the rules, but (Score:1)
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I can't imagine the coaching staff does not have some piece of literature detailing those dates when they cannot make contact, and emphasizing that schools that might make contact are breaking the rules. I could imagine the recruits not reading that pile of stuff, of course. Regardless, if I were recruiting, they would know, one way or the other.

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:46 PM | yeah (Score:1)
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I'm sure RR's farts know more about recruiting than me, but M doesn't seem to be sending something out that says, "This is our first contact with you because it would have been illegal to contact you before now." 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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December 20th, 2010 at 5:01 PM | C. Wormley (Score:1)
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is a beast.  Would love to have him.  FYI. Brother-in-law saw Sweater Vest in Toledo a couple weeks ago.  I guess he was visiting Wormley. 

Lastly, i concur...BB is a dbag!

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:06 PM | RicK Leach (Score:1)
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Had that sit down lunch with the some people last year and they worked out that Rick would back off going after Carr.

I would have to go back and look at the interviews transcribed for B. Kearney, but I believe he is related to Stan, maybe cousins or something like that. 

So maybe Stan knows something the rest of us do not, but if Sam doesn't know about it I don't know if anybody would in the recruiting service.

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:13 PM | I believe you are right (Score:1)
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IIRC, a report came out saying Braylon had recommended Kearney go to MSU.  This threw everyone into an uproar but I don't remember anything being said about JB not accepting him.

When you reach the end of your rope tie a knot and hold on...

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:20 PM | Personally, I wouldn't want (Score:1)
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Personally, I wouldn't want an advisor who's a homer.  Michigan State is better at basketball than Michigan, and has been for a long time.  Izzo has a track record of getting kids to the NBA and even being high draft picks.  Beilein does not.

So...I fail to see this as a fault.

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:27 PM | Please stop destroying the (Score:1)
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Please stop destroying the future of the basketball program with your logic and facts.

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:27 PM | Right (Score:1)
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I don't see this as a huge deal.  All the points you gave are 100% accurate and while perhaps unpopular, they remain true.

If I were in the same situation, I wouldn't try and steer the kid one way or the other, I'd just lay out the facts as best I could.  I'd obviously love for the kid to go to M but ultimately if he chose MSU I'd be glad if he chose it for the right reasons, i.e. what was best for him, and not what was best for me.

Sometimes it's really hard to step back and try and imagine if you were in a similar situation.  I'd want what's best for my family.

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:28 PM | Maybe, but (Score:1)
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Beilein has 2 important things going for him. 1) is he's generally thought of as an amazing basketball teacher and 2) he is the standard for coaching integrity, which is important.

State may be a better basketball place, but if a kid fits into the Michigan culture his game can really be improved.

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December 20th, 2010 at 3:23 PM | You sir, need some world (Score:1)
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You sir, need some world perspective.  What is best for the kid is more important than the amount of wins I get to cheer about because the team I watch on television is good.  I would hope that for those close to you, you want what is best for them, and not what would make you cackle with knowing glee more often.  Friends and family come before all else--even your favorite foobaw team.

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December 20th, 2010 at 3:12 PM | So according to you  because (Score:1)
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So according to you  because they gave blood sweat and tears to Michigan they lose there right to a honest opinion with a family member?

Just do it!

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December 20th, 2010 at 3:19 PM | a) Michigan State's (Score:1)
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a) Michigan State's superiority over the University of Michigan has only lasted about three seasons in football.  And Michigan was 5-7 in 2009 when MSU was 6-7.  So it's not nearly the same situation.  Additionally, Michigan has still produced some solid NFL talent over the past few seasons (Brandon Graham, Jake Long, Mario Manningham, Chad Henne, etc.) whereas MSU has...uhhh...Javon Ringer.  Yeah, so there's a big difference.

Meanwhile, MSU has been significantly better at basketball than U-M for probably the last 10-12 years (I don't pay as much attention to basketball, so that's a general estimate).

b) I guess the difference between you and me is that I can see some value in having an advisor be honest...whereas one bit of advice you dislike would cause you to label someone a "piece of shit."

Keep trying, jimbo.

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December 20th, 2010 at 4:03 PM | Izzo by all accounts seems (Score:1)
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Izzo by all accounts seems like a decent person.  Izzo != Saban.

For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue.

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December 21st, 2010 at 7:12 PM | Good god. (Score:1)
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!= means "not equal to."

I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

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December 20th, 2010 at 4:15 PM | No, not at all; but you do (Score:1)
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No, not at all; but you do indirectly, hence the != (not equal to). I would be honored to have my hypothetical kid play for Coach Izzo if he was good at basketball. I wouln't want said kid stepping anywhere near Saban if he was good at football.

For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue.

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December 20th, 2010 at 4:14 PM | There is a clear difference (Score:1)
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There is a clear difference between a former player acting as an advisor for a family friend/relative and your scenario. However, I don't expect that you are intelligent enough to realize that.

By the way, despite the numerous times I disagree with Magnus, I love watching him bash fucking morons.

I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

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December 20th, 2010 at 4:21 PM | No, but you are trying to (Score:1)
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No, but you are trying to compare Desmond/Dee to Braylon/Kearney who are related.

I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

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December 20th, 2010 at 4:33 PM | I never expected somebody (Score:1)
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I never expected somebody would have such a huge problem with a person being honest.

Michigan State is better at basketball.  Virtually every upper echelon recruit would be better served by becoming a Spartan.  Izzo doesn't have rampant discipline issues, wins a ton of games, and sends his players to the NBA (Jason Richardson, Paul Davis, Shannon Brown, Zach Randolph, Mo Peterson, etc.).  Everybody knows this.  Just because you choose to ignore the facts doesn't make them untrue.

This will be my final response to you about this topic.  It requires no further discussion on my end.

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December 20th, 2010 at 4:37 PM | If you do not understand what (Score:1)
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If you do not understand what we are trying to say to you here, then I truly hope that you never reproduce for the sake of the human gene pool.

For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue.

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December 20th, 2010 at 5:26 PM | Myself and Magnus seem to be (Score:1)
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Myself and Magnus seem to be implying the same thing, so that's who.  While I disagree often with how Magnus approaches issues with general negativity, he tends to show signs of thinking at a deeper level when he posts.  I get the impression that you are pure, unadulterated emotion.

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December 20th, 2010 at 4:29 PM | Well, "everybody" is probably (Score:1)
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Well, "everybody" is probably a vast overstatement.  People who overreact (such as yourself) would say "Desmond's not a Michigan Man!" and suggest that he should not be allowed into Schembechler Hall ever again. 

Other kinds of people would have varying responses.

But it's hard to argue against sending a talented kid to Alabama, since they're national title contenders and are producing high draft picks.  If he were a 3-star kid who might be axed in a year to pave way for another recruit, then I might disagree with steering a kid toward Alabama.  Saban is a douchebag.  But if the kid's got NFL talent, hey...I don't expect Braylon to steer EVERY kid toward Michigan just because he went there.

Think about it.  If every person out there only gave advice that steered kids toward their alma mater, then how productive would that be?  Lloyd Carr would tell kids to go to Northern Michigan.  Joe Paterno would tell kids to go to Brown.  Pierre Garcon would tell everyone he knew to go to Mount Union. 

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December 20th, 2010 at 5:27 PM | Are you saying Magnus (Score:1)
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Are you saying Magnus carefully measures every word out of his mouth.  If that is tue, then I would hate to see an unfiltered Magnus.  And Magnus is going for the grumpy wise old sage that people go to for advice on coaching. 

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December 20th, 2010 at 9:13 PM | Yes, you would hate to see an (Score:1)
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Yes, you would hate to see an unfiltered Magnus.  I live in a nude colony and my belly is so white and round that when I lie on the beach, some people mistake me for an igloo.  It's a good thing all you get 'round here is the filtered version.

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December 20th, 2010 at 9:22 PM | Are you drinking while you post? (Score:1)
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Because your English keeps getting worse with every post, and the rambling increases.



And Lloyd comes off a lot better than you have.

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December 20th, 2010 at 4:32 PM | But Braylon and Stan Edwards (Score:1)
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But Braylon and Stan Edwards are  talking to a family member. That is why I mentioned that.

 

 

EDIT: Didn't see this was addressed lower in the thread.

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:07 PM | Is this the same Stan that wrote Eminem all those letters? (Score:1)
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December 20th, 2010 at 12:07 PM | Could you clarify what it (Score:1)
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Could you clarify what it means that Beilein did not accept B Kearney?

He didn't want him?  He didn't think he would be accepted academically? 

 

As far a Leach goes, he put a lot on the line for RR and the current staff, the fact that there are less RR supporters than any other group in the Michigan family has probably worn on the guy.   Just keeping a low profile is my guess.

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:11 PM | From a past thread on (Score:1)
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From a past thread on here:

His cousins are former Houston Oiler and Detroit Lion Stan Edwards, and former Wolverine and Jets Pro Bowl wide receiver Braylon Edwards.

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Kearney says Edwards is always available for guidance, but the controversial Jet left the ultimate decision up to Kearney. Edwards even went as far as to suggest that MSU may be a better fit for Kearney, particularly with The Wolverine basketball program still reeling from the effects of past probation, scholarship losses and poor recruiting classes.

With the elder and younger Edwards, it seems the apple doesn't fall far from the tree when it comes to having a big mouth.

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:44 PM | Stan Edwards is a decorated wolverine.. (Score:1)
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and a part of Michigan history.  Who are you?

Back when Braylon was considering schools, his dad basically told him he could go where he wanted, as long as it was Michigan.  I'm paraphrasing, but I distinctly remember hearing the senior Edwards lay out how he "influenced" his son's decision.  Don't doubt Stan's love for his alma mater by trying to associate him with a third hand comment Braylon may have made, or some stupid assertion that he threw Beilein under the bus.

Beilein reportedly (according to Stan Edwards) told Kearney to wait on committing AFTER Michigan offered him.  The only other comment I remember him (Edwards) making was that it was a "shame that those two (Carlton Brundidge and Kearney) couldn't play together at Michigan."  That's what I heard this morning.  I didn't hear a guy "with a big mouth".

As far as his question about the stud football prospect, it wasn't an attack of Rodriguez, or the staff; it sounded like he was asking a legitimate question about when schools can begin to make contact with a recruit, the answer for which, I bet most of us didn't know the exact answer.  Michigan was waiting, as they're supposed to, other schools not so much.  Edwards was asking questions for clarification, he didn't come on throwing accusations like the knee-jerks on this board are assuming.

It's a legitimate criticism of Beilein, and legitimate question of recruiting practice.  Or does anyone who played for the program have a "big mouth" when you don't agree with them?

"Do not disturb my circles."
 

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:48 PM | I think it's safe to say (Score:1)
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Edwards was obviously coming from a place of caring about M and caring about Kearney. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:53 PM | That was my take on it, too. (Score:1)
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That was my take on it, too.

"Do not disturb my circles."
 

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December 20th, 2010 at 1:23 PM | Now that is a comment (Score:1)
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that I can appreciate. If I could give you a( +1) I would.

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December 20th, 2010 at 1:02 PM | Having an opinion... (Score:1)
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... that differs from yours does not mean he has a big mouth.  Shall we mussle all dissent? 

Do Something. If it works, do more of it. If it doesn't, do something else.

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December 20th, 2010 at 4:53 PM | I didn't want to say this. (Score:1)
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I have much love for our alumni brethren but this statement you made is on point.  The Edward's family could or should back off just a bit. 

That statement about the BB program is a complete embarrassment.  Especially coming from one of ours!  Not in public damnit!  Damn, I'm angry now...where's the bowl game posts?

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Newsflash, if we don't win Rose Bowl '13 we will have little choice but to lay the blame on Kate Upton.  That is all!

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:18 PM | I'm pretty damn sure that (Score:1)
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I'm pretty damn sure that John Beilein would welcome a player of Kearney's abilities without a second's hesitation.  Furthermore, every scouting service shows Brandan having an offer from Michigan.  So, um, wtf?

Sounds like dumb, unfounded babbling to me.

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:33 PM | What Stan Edwards said (Score:1)
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He said that he's related to Kearney, that M offered Kearney, that Kearney was ready to accept, and that Beilein told him to hold off on accepting...I have no idea if that story is true, but it's what Stan Edwards said. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:40 PM | Hmmm (Score:1)
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I guess I just don't see why Beilein would slow-play someone of Kearney's abilities, but I guess it's possible.

I shouldn't have jumped to say it was "dumb unfounded babbling."  Just sounds highly unlikely that we'd turn him down.  Maybe at the time we thought we had a great shot with Amir Williams still.  I don't know.

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:51 PM | Also (Score:1)
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I could be off on my timing, but at that point, LLP was still on the roster and I don't think Manny had officially left yet.  They were going after Ziegler, Prather, and to some extent McCallum.  Then throw in all of the 2011 big men (Williams, Zeller, Plumlee) and the scholarship picture must have been pretty murkey.  It's possible they were in a position to really only take one guy at that point, and they made the decision to go with Brudidge.  In hindsight, they should have just accepted both (if that was truly an option), but we all know about hindsight.  And of course, my timing could all be completely wrong, nullifiing my entire point.

EDIT:  Yeah, this all went down in September of '09, before these guys had even begun their junior seasons in high school.  Maybe this is why early signing periods aren't so awesome. 

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:56 PM | I'm glad you tracked that down (Score:1)
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It wasn't crazy at the time to hold out for Williams or Plumlee...Also, Edwards did not explain why it was that Kearney ended up picking MSU over M.  We weren't given any info re: what happened after M told him to wait. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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December 20th, 2010 at 12:55 PM | "I shouldn't have jumped to say it was dumb unfounded babbling." (Score:1)
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Stan accepts you're apology.

"Do not disturb my circles."
 

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