Edit: too much massive photos too close to each other. dropping it down in thread a little
In-stadium scoreboard photo
I think the big house makes that look tiny still..Need moarrr
I agree, that looks rather small.
The field looks tiny. My last cell phone did the same thing, anything shot out into the distance was disproportionately small. Adjusting for that, I think we'll be really pleased when we see then in the stadium in September
My phone makes everything looks disproportionately small too!
Awesome Farve joke asside, it looks pretty big to me. It almost looks like the screen will be about the same size as the entire scoreboard casing used to be. If you notice the screen itself rests on the same 4 interior pillars that were used for the previous screens and the new portion (assuming the casing?) is what the two (new) outside pillars are for.
You also have to factor in that while most stadiums have 1 huge one, we have two - which is probably why we didn't go all godzillitron on the screens.
I also did a little mock-up of what the screen was vs. what it is now using the two live webcam pictures from when they took down the old screen - to now when they're putting the new one up:
I'd say that's a pretty big difference.
People keep mentioning that there will be two because often the comparison is with the size of scoreboards in other stadiums - but stadiums which have only one huge scoreboard.
And as for Michigan always being "first" - how about first in overall classiness? Try thinking in terms of the whole. If every part of the whole is the 'best', then we will likely loose the best in terms of the whole. Keep the whole in mind - think in terms of how everything fits together. I would much rather have the best overall classy stadium than a stadium that is collection of individual monstrosities.
Completely agree on the rawk music (I forgot about that) - that weakens the "best overall classy stadium" argument. I wish the new regime would do away with that.
As for the scoreboards - perhaps we should wait and see before complaining. My guess is, taking how the luxury boxes were done into consideration, that we will be happy with the picture quality, as well as how they are used, and perhaps we will even be somewhat surprised. I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt until we see just how good the quality is. My preliminary guess is that these boards are cutting edge - the best technology available now is being installed. That means that they are better quality (instead of quantity) than what is currently in place in other stadiums. That is my assumption, and I will withhold complaints until I see them in operation.
Well the 2 vs. 1 is actually a big deal. If you look at most of the schools that have larger screens than us they only have 1 in their stadium. In fact, very vew schools have two screens. Just one of the screens puts us 8th on the list - and there are two of them. So you have to factor that in. Also, as it's been pointed out, almost every single team above us uses advertising to fill up large portions of the screens. So in reality, while not physically the largest, because of our no-advertising tradition - we're probably going to have one of the largest viewing area's of any team out there. Here are the top five:
|1||Texas||Big 12||Darrell K Royal – Texas Memorial Stadium||134 x 55.5||&Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character ","7,437||20||2064 x 848||2006|
|&00000000000000020000002||Miami (FL)||ACC||Sun Life Stadium†||138.5 x 48.5||&Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character ","6,717||20||2112 x 736||2006|
|&00000000000000030000003||Mississippi State||SEC||Davis Wade Stadium||111 x 47||&Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character ","5,217||12||2008|
|&00000000000000040000004||Minnesota||Big Ten||TCF Bank Stadium||108 x 48||&Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character ","5,184||16||2040 x 900||2009|
|&00000000000000050000005||Oklahoma||Big 12||Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium||166 x 31||&Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character ","5,146||16||3168 x 600||2008|
And here is Michigan:
|Michigan||Big Ten||Michigan Stadium||84.8 x 47.1||&Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character ","3,991||16||1632 x 900||2011|
Now take the square feet of viewing (3,991) and times that by two = 7982, which is a bigger number than anyone on the list. That's why it's important to note that we have two of them.
I think the new screens are proportional to the stadium - and that's what they were going for. I also think they're trying to leave room for expanding the stadium around the scoreboards so they kept that in mind when building the new ones.
If I had two 60 inch plasma's in one room in my house I would definitely think that's much more impressive than one 70 inch one - if that's what you're asking. I'm not adding in the size of the Yost and Crisler boards (like your "whole house" example). You also have to take into account that at most of the schools above us on the list - a portion of their fans can't even see the scoreboard because they're sitting under it.
Why would you assume anything? They gave us a rendering when they first approved the plan for new scoreboards:
One final thing to not is the cost of all of this - like you said the symmetry is important at Michigan stadium. Therefore whatever they put on one side they have to put on the other to make it "look right". If we were going to put a texas-sized scoreboard in we'd have to but two of them. I really don't think that would even be on the table. The cost of putting one of those screens in was probably equivalent to us installing two of the ones we are currently installing.
I still think you're going to get that impression given that most of the stadium is going to be fairly close to one of these things (unless you're sitting in the end zones).
Also, as it's been pointed out, almost every single team above us uses advertising to fill up large portions of the screens. So in reality, while not physically the largest, because of our no-advertising tradition - we're probably going to have one of the largest viewing area's of any team out there.
I think you’re off-base here. The scoreboards at the other stadiums may display ads in side panels at times or even most of the time, but they are capable of going full screen, for example, to show replays. So the viewing areas of the Michigan Stadium boards won’t be bigger than those others that include display ads.
Here, for example, are two rendering of what the new scoreboard at Georgia's Sanford Stadium will look like in action:
Yeah, but for 99% of the time you're going to be seeing the first image pictured - not the second one; which is significantly smaller.
So, your argument is based on the reasoning that at most, 5% of the time scoreboards with ads will not display those ads. Ok...... He may be off-base, but not significantly so (statistically speaking).
And what about the times when ads will take up most or all of the scoreboards? Like perhaps before and after they show those replays or during time outs, moving the chains, and halftime? I think not having ads makes a difference in the amount of screen area used for football for a vast majority of the time.
I don't have a problem with the size of the new scoreboards. I was merely pointing out that the others are capable of displays larger than the new ones at Michigan Stadium.
Also, aren't replays one of the most important things shown on any scoreboard? I don't understand why you and hail2thevict0r are trying to play down the significance of how large the video replays will be.
Again, I don't have a problem with the new scoreboards' size. But it's simply wrong to say that the replays at Michigan Stadium will be larger than those at the stadiums that have display ads on their scoreboards.
"But it's simply wrong to say that the replays at Michigan Stadium will be larger than those at the stadiums that have display ads on their scoreboards."
Sneaky - you slip "replay" in there as if that was the primary focus of the conversation. Your argument was based on replays alone - nobody else's. Others were making the case that ads reduce the size of the screen devoted to football alone. You said, 'not true in terms of replays.' In which care you are right. I tried to revise the argument to accommodate both aspects - for the significant portion of the time, screens without ads will have more space devoted to football than screens with ads. For an insignificant portion of the time, statistically speaking in terms of amount of time, ads will not matter. I think that holds true.
On an individual screen the replays will be smaller that the 7 teams ahead of us, you are correct, but there are still 112 teams that are below us as well - and like I said, having only 1 screen means that a portion of the stadium can't even see the scoreboard. Examples:
Those are only 4 but how would you feel if you were one of the thousands sitting under one of those boards and couldnt' see any replays at all? Personally I'd rather have two top 10 scoreboards that everyone can see rather than the biggest scoreboard that 1/4th of the stadium couldn't see at all.
Actually, there will be at least eight stadium scoreboards ahead of those at the Big House, because a new scoreboard is being installed at Arizona Stadium that will have a video board measuring 5,356 square feet. See this item.
Point being that in almost all of the stadiums above us there is a large portion of the people at the game who can't even see the board because it's behind them.
i'm being honest when i say they should've gone overly big, like college footbal equivalent of Dallas big.
I would normally agree, but I think that making them too big would lessen the available space for expansion seating in the endzones. Keeping the tradition of the largest stadium is probably a bit more important. I'm pretty sure that's the reasoning Brandon is probably thinking. Plus, these boards will still be top 10, and we'll have two of them. And no ads.
Yeah, thats what kind of figured was it was to allow for expansion. But they probably will look much bigger once inside and they have an image displayed on them.
I read somewhere (it might even be a quote from Brandon) that when endzone expansion happens the boards are going to be moved and probably upgraded again.
no ads? wake up.
Brandon is a smart guy. He doesnt have to put signage up and besmirhc Michigan Stadium to sell ads........that is what the new video scoreboards are for. And the Michigan football program is the big U's biggest cash cow, and Dave B is going to milk it.
It may not be this year (hohoho) but it will be soon. Brandon can sell exclusivity, message frequency, "sight, sound and motion"........do you think they spent $20 millon on these boards so we could watch replays?
its a bidness, son.
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That an embarrassingly bad opinion.
"Just one man's opinion"
Men everywhere cringe knowing one of our own kind has that sort of opinion. Wow.
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The pic looks good! Can't wait for the scoreboard to show Michigan up 21 on Ohio State!
I think the top row will of the scoreboard will house the speakers for the sound system, IIRC that's what was done with the old scoreboard. Not sure what will be on the sides...
Actually quite a good pic...thanks
in person at the Notre Dame Game. They will be awesome in the daylight but even better at night.
I think the size was more determined by load forces, and other construction limitations than anything. The fact both the scoreboards are fully exposed to the wind, and act like wind sails it is tough to see how much larger that they could have been.
on mgoblue with the rendition of the expected final product. The enclosure adds 23 feet to the width (11 1/2 on each side with a block M and maybe speakers??) and 15 feet to the height (vital stats of the game below, Michigan Stadium above, in case you forgot where you were...and maybe MOAR speakerz):
This answers my question as to what will be framing that screen, which looks pretty good (although the side panels seem kinda bare).
i think they'll look better and classier in real life. Plus, minimalism trumps ads all day long.
I'd take the bare look of the rendering over what Minnesota ended up installing at TCF Bank Stadium—even if their video screen is a bit bigger.
That is god awful ugly.
Look at those 10 rows of seats in the endzone underneath the scoreboard... how cute.
You realize that only the 3 ads at the top are permanent, and the rest are being displayed on the video screen, right? During the game they have the video feed in the middle with ads/statistics surrounding it like pictured (the blank part at the very bottom is for closed captioning), but during replays they go "full screen".
Yes, I was aware of that, and three permanent ads is three too many. (Not to mention that one display ad is one too many.)
is a nice touch.
I'm disappointed these aren't going to be bigger. Missed opportunity.
Sounds like you might be the kind of person that would be given everything they ever wanted. But complain it didn't happen fast enough.
And I am the kind of person who scolds people with poor grammar.
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It's a football stadium, not a drive-in theater. You're probably not going to be watching live action on the scoreboard if you're in attendance.
You all have to understand that you are looking at a pic that is the result of a transformation of perspective caused by the lens used in cell phones. In other words, distant objects appear smaller than they are in real life. The illusion very common with cell phone cameras.
I sure hope there will be speakers in both scoreboards this time. It sounded sooooooo shitty last year coming from one end.
Last year was the first year for the PA speakers to be located in the scoreboard. Previously, the speakers had always been atop the press box. But with the renovation of the stadium and the press box, we were told that speakers atop the new (much large) press box would be too high in the air to be effective. Hence, the move to the south scoreboard.
This is Michigan. The Big House should have The Big Scoreboard. Better be super high res.
I think it looks great, love the picture, and for size reference, the goal post really helps! They are 18 feet 6inches wide, the cross bar is 10feet high, and the uprights are 15feet high! Yes the stadium is huge, but I think the scoreboards are a nice size for all else we have to go with it! The example of the Minn scoreboard is a good example of too much, especially given the scope of the overall stadium and proximity to the field as a result. As for me and mine, can wait for real game action!!
Thanks for the pic!
Thanks for making note of this point of reference in the picture. When you compare them to the fieldgoal posts, it really does emphasize that they are pretty large.
Reply to UMxWolverine:
Having speakers in both scoreboards would be a nightmare. The sound waves will distort each other. As well, since DB made an effort in the BIG to allow the amplification of the marching band, the MMB's sound is being pumped through the speakers, adding speakers to the south scoreboard would be hell due to the three different places the sound is coming from.
does this new scoreboard play defense?
I bet it will be a watermark type thing you would see on a regular TV broadcast. Not sure, just a guess.
I think the score, quarter, etc. will be displayed in that same long, narrow panel below the main video screen where the clock is shown in the rendering. I highly doubt the scoreboard is going to have "Go Wolverines" up there permanently.
The webcam shows they are currently working on the framework for that bottom panel.
Hey guys, it's a scoreboard.