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Spring Game Snowflakes
Khaleke Hudson is a dude
for not hospitalising anyone.
John O'Korn may disagree with you
for not hospitalising anyone.
Brandon Peters should be our starting quarterback.
Speight will be the guy this year because of his experience. If Speight is still here next season, I think Peters may overtake him. Peters has a better arm, no doubt about that.
All weight gains are good, all weight losses are good, all good plays are good, all bad plays are good learning experiences
Haven't watched yet, but read a lot on twitter about Hudson, Bush Jr., Tarik Black, and Peters.
Also saw Nate Johnson had 2 fumbles. He'll have to clean that up, or Oliver Martin may jump him on the depth chart over the summer.
Anyone see McDoom's injury, hopefully just a sprained ankle?
McDoom's injury looks bad, imo. Wasn't one that made you cringe on the replay, but the way he was moving afterwards suggests a serious knee injury. Hoping for a simple sprain that he can return from in a month.
Shit. I'll keep my eyes open on twitter to see if any reporters get to ask. Assuming we won't get any intel today, though.
I also thought it looked bad. Looked like knees do when they end your season. But it still could just be an ankle. Looked like it was on the plant*; he planted his left foot and the defender was on his left side. Could have rolled up the ankle under there. Could also have buckled the knee. Sigh.
* just going on memory, and keep in mind I'm sitting here in a hotel room with a sick (but somehow still energetic and yelling) kid + sibling.
Based on how he grabbed his leg and how he pointed for the trainer, I'm 90% sure it's an ankle. Dudes don't grab their shin with one hand when it's a knee.
I mean I could be wrong, but the way he was moving after he got up said knee to me. It's hard to tell because it wasn't something that stood out like with an awkward movement in the replay. But, having watched a lot of football and having hurt my knee myself that's what it looked like to me. Someone else said calf muscle, which I could also see and might explain the hands on the shin.
Looked like he was reaching for his achilles to me when he first went down. I really hope not though.
Quit arguing with the doctor.
You're right, my bad.
I've seen a guy blow an Achilles. If it were that, he wouldn't have been walking under his own power later.
He had all his weight on his left leg and it got hit from the side and buckled. I can't remember which ligament is which but that looks like a season ending tear of one to me.
That's experience talking!
It looked like he was holding his ankle, right? That's what I saw, anyway.
D Line is going to be great. McCray, Bush, Hudson/Furbush are going to be real good. We have a pretty deep rotation at WR.
Speight may still be hurt. He was #3 as far as throwing the ball today.
And about #28 running with the ball.
W are going to be amazing in 2018 and 2019. #HotTake
100%. And have a fair chance to be pretty damn good this season.
Some intel from practice suggests otherwise, but I think there should be a real competition at QB. Peters looks very good. He was going against the worse D unit most of the time, but they both dealt with wind and he has a lot more natural talent than Speight. I'm pretty torn here.
If the D stays healthy, I am fully on board with the "no drop off" takes. Dudes look like dudes. Hudson, Bush, the whole DL. DBs looked fine. Should be another top 3 unit, assuming health holds up.
He also had the benefit of the O Line, but from what I read on twitter, Peters was throwing dimes today. All competition is good competition for this young squad.
How did Long/Hill look today at corner? Saw Black got the best of St. Juste more than a few times. Black seems to be a very polished route runner with solid hands.
I thought Long was good, I honestly didn't notice Hill. I didn't hear Long's name much either, tbh, I need to rewatch a few times to focus on individuals. Despite getting beat by Black a few times I thought St. Juste looked good at times, made a nice play on for an interception. I thought Keith Washington looked bigger and less of a liability in run support - made a nice play to stop Higdon on one run.
Washington looks like he's developed, and he has the athleticism so if he knows how to cover then I think we've got something after all.
St Juste never got beat beat. He was right there on every completion, just got out-adjusted for the ball by Black looking like a polished veteran on those catches. It reminded me some of Stribling when he was younger, being in the right place most of the time but not quite making the play. St J is also bigger than Strib, so I'm optimistic he'll be very good at some point in his career. As a backup - which is what he figures to be in the fall - I'm perfectly satisfied with what I saw today. The future is bright at CB.
I agree. I didn't mean beat as in blown coverage, Black just made the catches. St. Juste had good position all day. You can see why the coaches coveted his elite quickness and length.
That's very good to hear. Definitely have some depth at corner but they are all unproven (Watson, Washington, St. Juste, Thomas). They'll all continue to develop. I've heard really good things about David Long all spring. Lavert Hill will be stellar once fully healthy.
the pick was great by St. Juste, but you're right he played really well throughout the scrimmage.
Really impressed me, as did St Juste, Bush, Bredeson, Black, Hudson and NORDIN (that FG would have been good from 60)...
And I forgot Tarik Black. He looked very good. Uses his size well and gets on top of the defender. He will play a lot.
All I saw was a clip of Speight pic 6 where his mechanics were brutal. Falling away from the throw.
At times today he looked bad. Someone posited that he may still be hurting, I thought others had said he was healthy, but I'm not so sure. He didn't look right out there. That being said he was usually going against the 1s on Defense which are going to be very good. There was also wind. But he looked markedly worse than Peters today and Peters was playing in the same wind.
He looked hurt, but then he's looked that way since the big hit in the Colorado game.
Having gone through some labrum/rotator cuff issues myself, I have to wonder if there's not some nagginginjury there that may never go away as long as large men are going to continue running into him. It took me a long time to rehab, and I wasn't getting hammered by defensive ends when I did it.
Were you in a coma when Speight embarrassed Maryalnd in November? That was his best game of the season.
That's what led Brian to do the Joe Flacco question: "Is he elite?"
But it was Maryland. It was not smooth at qb last season against better teams like wisconsin, iowa, fsu, and even rutgers. Against msu we threw a terrible interception in the third quarter.
I don't mean to say he's never produced since Colorado. I mean he's shown symptoms of nagging shoulder injury since then (see the OSU game.)
Maryland's defense was pathetic last season. Speight put up some big stats throwing to a lot of open guys.
But in the games where he's been under pressure, some of those balls really wobble and it looks at times like he's adjusting his release to avoid another big hit to that side of his body.
This is just my amateur analysis. I'm making a guess based on observation, but it could well be he's perfectly fine and just prone to lapses in mechanics when pass rushers are coming at him.
but if he is still hurt, if might be better to ride out the growing pains with a young guy. I tore my labrum in 2009, had surgey in 2013 and can still feel some effects in 2017. It's definitely something that doesn't go away quickly.
Not riding out any growing pains. Try to win every game with whoever gives you the best chance, period.
Doubtful they'd let him play pretty much the whole game if he wasn't 100%. Might be a mental thing (yips), which would make more sense to give him more reps to work on it.
Still have to re-watch, but live his mechanics were awful,seemed like his upper and lower body were all out of sync. He also seemed like he was pushing the ball on release too.
Yeah well, that was what cost us last year, did great against the Rutgers types and lousy against quality D. Speight had little time to throw and guys didn't get open, but that pick 6 at the 5 on 2nd down reeked of Ohio last year
Peters at least has the unknown potential
How did the CBs look? And the OL?
Secondary looked very well considering the concern there, but OL did not look great against what i suspect will be one of the top DLs in the country (which will be rotated a lot more than the OL)
Nonetheless, enough holes that there were a few breakout runs, and a few downfield completions. It looked like overall, a team that can compete for a title again, provided we don't have Ohio refs
Isaac needs 5+ carries per game.
I think Evans and Higdon are both better. FWIW I do think he looks a bit more in shape and was generally running through contact a bit better than in the past.
But Karan looked like he's gotten quicker somehow and had a couple plays where he read the blocking very well today. I'm not trying to dog Ty, but I see him as the third back right now.
Higdon may be better, but Isaac is a much bigger change of pace from Evans. Evans and Higdon aren't gonna run a lot of people over, Ty might.
I hope he does, but let's be honest he hasn't made a habit of trucking dudes.
He's big, so we tend to expect him to bowl people over (especially those of us that continue to see him as BIG TIME FIVE STAR RECRUIT TY ISAAC!!!) But we haven't seen a lot of him plowing through traffic.
I think today he displayed a bit more ability to drive forward with guys hanging on him, and I hope it's a sign of things to come.
But go rewatch the game and pay close attention to Higdon's vision and burst. A couple of those big runs came when there really wasn't a lot of space to work with. He had to tunnel his way to that first TD on a play that IMO Isaac almost certainly doesn't reach the end zone.
Again, not trying to trash talk TI. I'm just very impressed by what I saw from Higdon, and I already thought Karan has been better than Ty before today.
I'm sorry but he was just terrible today. I was at the game and saw a ton of positive things from many other positions. However, he held onto the ball too long, throwing off his back foot, throwing multiple balls right to defenders, not anticipating the unblocked blitzes on overload, etc. I know this is a small sample size but if he plays like that in this season we will lose by 50 points. I would rather have Peters, O'Korn or McCaffery than him at this point. I hope he got drunk last night or something. I can't think of anything he did that was impressive the whole game, and I figured he would only play a little today. We got a whole game tape worth of how not to do it today from him.
You have never seen McCaffrey throw a snap at the college level.
That is ridiculous to include him. Peters makes sense because he completely outplayed Speight today and he's in his 2nd year. McCaffrey is getting ready for prom and looked like a toothpick in that Army Game (where he didn't play that well).
Do they really have to if they average 6 ypc before they're even touched?
Higdon and Evans are both under 200 lbs. Isaac is a completely different type of player and his skillset deserves touches. I'd love to see him deployed as a workhorse against teams with undersized or generally weak DTs.
Pretty sure Evans weighed in at 212 over spring. He was 200 last year. Higdon is also over 200 this year I believe.
But have you seen Isaac run? He's an ox-sized scatback. Runs for the sidelines every play. Don't get me wrong; he made me a believer after Wisky last year. But he's not the horse a lot of people think he is.
Did Grapentine keep calling him "Isaacs" or was I hearing things?
Yeah but it seems like a lot of people do that. I've even seen people type it out like that here on the board.
The PA announcer shouldn't make that mistake though. I don't remember him ever calling him that before, so it was odd.
I'm still a big Grapentine fan overall, to be clear.
Isaac is the best back on the roster imo. Hope he gets 10 carries a game.
I get the feeling he will be a serviceable pro some day and leave people wondering why it never happened in college.
How many attempts did speight attempt? Was it timing?
I'm with the family on a Easter Egg hunt, damn can't wait
but there were some bad throws too. And some drops. Still, it's a spring game and you're going against people who know your tendancies so it makes it look worse.
Higdon looks very good.
We have a lot of good things coming out of that game. 3 servicable QB's. Good defense again. Can't wait for Fall. Going to be another fun season!
Yeah, the big thing is that we have at least three good QBs. This is the best we have been at qb position in over a decade.
a good point on the broadcast. The defense goes up against the offense every practice so they know what's coming. They've seen it all before time and time again, especially when it is 1s vs. 1s. I think Peters was the better QB today, but Speight was going up against the number one's who have practiced against all these plays.
Higdon, Peters, Hudson, Gary, Onwenu, Isaac, Black, Glasgow, Long and a few others stood out as performing well.
Speight was awful. He was running for his life on most plays, but still looked bad. Also, Ruiz struggled for most of the day.
This is true, it's always true of Defense in practice situations. If a team's Defense doesn't get the best of the offense in intrasquad stuff, either the Defense is bad or the OL is utterly dominant. However, Speight made some bad plays and decisions against the backups as well. I thought Peters was clearly better today, regardless of the situation.
Now, there could be a number of explanations for that and I'm not saying that Peters should definitely be our #1 as of today. However, I also didn't see a QB situation that is absolutely settled.
I could only listen to a few series on the radio while driving around but it sounded like Speight was under a ton of duress that Peters was not. There were a lot of plays Brandy basically said the ball is snapped and within 3 seconds "and Speight is down" (2 hand touch) or "Bush got there" or "Hudson got Speight". I did not hear such things on the other side of the ball when Peters was there so it sounded without seeing any of the game it was sort of 1 v 1s on 1 side and 2 v 2s on the other and the backups on D didn't pressure Peters nearly as much as Speight.
So for those who watched it what % of plays did you feel Speight was under immediate duress vs Peters.
Having watched the taped broadcast, that was my impression as well. Speight often had someone in his face almost instantly. On Peters' long completions, he had plenty of time to throw.
Yeah except the pick 6 at the endzone
That the offense knows the defensive packages and coverages. Neither side is going to really surprise or outscheme the other, one of many reasons why you can't project too much of what we saw yesterday onto real games. Nobody was hitting as hard as they would have against a real opponent, either.
even his pick-6 hit the dude in the hands in stride. :)
Team Peters. He just is much more consistent and the ball looks so much better out of his hand.
Quinn Nordin is Steph Curry from 3
Kicks were good even in the wind. That was a 47-yard field goal he hit, right?
Now, we just need the PA announcer to pronounce his name correctly (i.e. nor-deen, not nor-din)...
Higdon may be the most complete back on the team...but man there are some good backs on this team...the rotation should be stronger than its been in a long time.
I think we're beginning to see some real depth develop at some position groups:
DL will obviously continue to be a strength. We've got three incoming freshman in the fall that IMO are all capable of finding their way into the rotation.
WR - We lost three productive players if you include Perry, and yet I think we have a lot of depth and upside. It's young and unproven, but we've got freshmen and even a walk-on that look like they're all ready to contribute, to say nothing of the guys that were already playing last year.
CB - Again, young and unproven, but I think there are five or six guys capable of playing the position competently, and I'm not even including Thomas (who looks like he's got a learning curve ahead of him but whose potential I love.) Even St. Juste, who gave up a couple big plays, was RIGHT there in coverage and just didn't quite play the ball well enough (it doesn't help when Black was making some outstanding catches.)
As for the other stuff: I'm still hesitant to say Speight won't start against Florida, but he's going to have to continue to improve if he wants to. And even if he does, I feel much better about the backup situation if he struggles or gets hurt than I did last year. We all know about Peters, but I honestly thought O'Korn looked a lot more fundamentally sound throwing the ball than he did last year. It's spring, but he looked a lot better than he did last spring or against Indiana. I do think that Peters is going to be the next great Michigan QB. It's just a question of when, not if. All the tools are there.
We've got some players at S and LB, which is good to see... guys that can cover, blitz, and hit. No question in my mind that we're looking great at those positions by 2018, but with some luck it just might click sooner than that.
At RB, Evans didn't play much and that's perfectly fine. But Higdon looks quicker and more explosive than before, with some good vision and patience displayed on a couple of plays as well. If you told me today that he and Evans are going to be close to even in number of carries, I'm taking that as a compliment to Karan and not a worry over Chris. I think they're both good.
OL is still the biggest area of concern. To be fair, these guys were split up part of the time and had to deal with maybe the best DL they'll see all season (though OSU and UF will be awfully good.) I like the young guys inside, and hope they'll develop fast. I think it's reasonable to think Cole will be decent at T if not great. We can't afford injuries. I think we'll be good enough to manage if we can just stay healthy. This is a team that can win 10+ with good line play. If the line falls apart, on the other hand....
But it's still speights job to lose. He was going up against the 1's and made good decisions with the ball. I'm happy he has someone pushing him tho.
He made some brutal decisions with the ball.
Dan Dierdorf was completely underwhelmed by Speight's performance today. For the expected Fall starter to only go something like 7 of 24 for about 70 yards was a big surprise to Dan, especially considering the QB-hitting limitations placed on the Ds. The entire UM broadcast team was generally impressed with the athleticism of all the young players. The only true cautions (aside from the play of Speight) were regarding the injuries to Runyon (?) and McDoom.
I was rather sad that both injuries happened so late in the game.
"especially considering the QB-hitting limitations placed on the Ds."
I didn't hear that as a benefit for Speight. On the radio broadcast they said QBs were not in play so every 2 hand touch was a "sack" or "down" so things that Speight sometimes got out of in fall with his size he would not in this sort of scenario as he is not super mobile. Also the guys on radio said Brown was blitzing like made - I heard a lot of Bush Jr and Hudson touches on Speight. So I am not sure how those limitations helped Speight in any way.
Speight was dead meat on those plays. No chance of surviving 1 on 1.
Speight made some bad decisions, also some bad throws, looked inconsistent. Could blame drops on some of the receivers, plenty of them ran bad routes or didn't turn around for the pass, but some of it was on the qb. Too hot on some throws with no pressure, too soft to a couple open guys, too many were too risky when pressured or the play had broken down. Defenders had no trouble reading his eyes on the picks. Feels like he's where he was at last year.
Speight is probably just a guy. He had good games against ucf, maryland, illinois, and msu which isn't exactly the cream of the crop.
>isn't the cream of the crop
MSU was the second worst team in the B1G last year. Of course, since Rutgers was the worst, MSU was in no danger of sniffing last place.
1. No DPJ.
2. Black looked great. The WRs are going to be an area of strength.
3. Speight looked good, but the goal line interception was depressing.
4. oKorn looked good.
5. Peters looked great, but needs more starts and weight before I put him above Speight and oKorn.
6. QB position is an area of strength and probably the best is has been as a collective in over a decade.
7. McDoom injury didn't look serious but not trivial either; hopefully it's not serious enough to sideline him for season or opener.
8. Defense wins championships and this defense looks good.
Can only take so much from a team playing itself but the team is trending up.
What does "No DPJ" mean? He played today and made a few catches from what I read.
He didn't get a lot of good opportunities because of Speight and that offense, but he played and had a few catches. He should still be a starting receiver come fall, I think.
McDoom was spotted walking around after the game without a wrap but had a limp.
they probably would not have let him walk or even try to.
Or an achilles like I was worried about.
ACL injuries aren't necessarily diagnosible right away. A guy can often walk on one, before the swelling kicks in.
Hoping that means it's just an ankle.
"Just an ankle". Yeah because who needs those !?
You are the ONLY person to say Speight looked good. Therefore, by mob rules, you're opinion is invalid. I say this having not yet seen the game...
I'm a Speight guy, I lol at the Peters folks who hadn't seen anything from the kid before today. But Speight was awful, and I didn't even see the goal line interception. He had no time, as I think the offense was vanilla and Brown didn't give a shit, he kept blitzing. And maybe it's a thing where "you're the starter, you know the D line won't be blocked, but try to get the ball out so the younger WRs can make plays". I hope so, because his ball security was horrendus. If that was him competing, then yes O'Korn will be in the competition this Fall and so will Peters.
I still think it's his job and there was some type of qualification to his play, but he was awful. Taking 8 sacks would have been a much better performance, and O'Korn or Peters could have done that in his shoes.
Peters needs weight before you put him ahead of Speight and O'Korn? Did you really mean that - he is a pretty big dude and looks filled out. I think he is already ahead of O'Korn. That would apply to McCaffery once he gets on campus but no way is Peters in need of weight to move up the ladder.
How did the Center's look (Kugler and Ruiz)? I feel like the other 4 spots are nearly solidified (Cole, Bredeson, Onwenu, JBB)
play. I don't think that spot is solidified at all. Ruiz made a lot of mistakes but also got some push. Didn't notice Kugler much, which must mean he did alright.
Not noticing a new starter against our DL is very good.
I wrote it was solidified because I thought I saw a tweet stating that Harbaugh said JBB was the RT right now but he obviously didn't get to play today cuz he's a bit nicked up.
Obviously he'll have some more competition when Filiaga and company arrive on campus. Don't know if Runyan fits at the tackle spot as he's been an interior lineman his whole career so far.
Prior to the game Harbaugh did an extended interview on radio with the radio guys.
He basically said 3 guys are set for the fall; if you really think a tackle is going to show up in July and displace someone on the OL I guess maybe that's a possibility (Cole!) but he basically said JBB was a starting tackle in the fall.
I am paraprhasing but he went through almost everyone:
- Said Cole was their best OL and would play...somewhere
- Said Bredenson was next best OL
- Said JBB would be "a tackle"
I read that as those 3 are assured spots. He put them in a "group" if you will.
Then he moved on to talk about Kugler and Onwenu. Felt like those were next 2.
Said Ruiz did some nice things and that some new freshman would be coming in later this year.
Only then did he begin to talk about other guys like the Runyans of the world. Sort of generic "nice things" said about development about everyone else. Also mentioned Ulizio was banged up and probably not going to play much.
My take from his comments was JBB is much more secure in his job than the board presumes and Onwenu is not quite as much of a sure thing but still a pretty sure thing. And Kugler sounds like he will be involved heavily.
Based on what he said it sounded like ot me we're talking
- Kulger or Ruiz
the info! I hope JBB has a spot becuase he's good not becuase we have to put someone there. I am sure Filiaga coming in and starting is a pipe dream, but I hope Filiaga at least pushes for a spot.
The secondary was very good. The front seven was amazing today. OL looked pretty bad.
I don't think that is accurate. I liked what I saw from the starting OL. They were mostly going against what will be a top 5 DL nationally and they didn't get obliterated. Now, this is partly due to my expectationts being extremely low, but I thought they looked like a line that could be good enough to beat Florida and then develop over the season. I don't think the OL changed my outlook for the season, which is what I wanted to see today.
This take is good.
Agreed. JBB didn't even play, so they were down a guy and still weren't generally completely overwhelmed by a proven commodity in this D line. Most of the havok generated in the pass rush came from the blitz (so much for defenses going vanilla in exhibition games. Not Don Brown.)
I think the OL will be solid enough not to ruin the season altogether, but not good enough to make us a serious playoff contender. More talent than last year but a lot less experience and time in the S&C program.
We'll be fine on the line if we can stay healthy. Now if we start losing guys - especially Cole - then we get into trouble pretty fast.
Sounded like they had 6 guys they'd be comfortable running out there. Just cannot take an injury there and unfortunately it's a spot you have 5 chances to take on an injury.
I remember in late 2015 we felt the DL had oodles of depth ...then Glasgow tore his pectoral and the DL looked awful down the middle late in the year. So the wrong 1 guy can certainly end in disaster and I feel like that's the case with OL.
..and it feels like you always lose a lineman or two during the course of a season. not trying to be a debbie downer, but I don't remember any recent years where 5 starters made it unscathed.
Love that Peters looks like the real deal and a serious threat to Speight. Should push both of them through the summer and into fall camp bec. Speight has to realise now more than ever that he could lose his job come September.
And with both pushing hard through the summer they will push the rest of the youngsters on O too.
Worn sunscreen. I look like a Polish lobster now.
This take cannot be underestimated, and I say it as someone who als has run afoul of the sun today. Coming out of a dry, cool winter and wet, cool early spring, I forgot - like many Michigan residents - that the sun can still hurt in April.
So tomorrow, for Easter brunch, I'll have a sunburn, but Michigan football in some form, so whatever.
It's nice to be a person who doesn't get sunburn. Except one time in Florida when I fell asleep on the beach :(
Our defense goes two-deep and our offense goes one-deep. I'm not sure if the defense let up (they did switch Rashan Gary) or if the offensive line improved (whoever the right tackle was on the Blue squad to start was getting killed in the first few series) but the running backs had success up the middle. Was McCray playing? I didn't hear his name called all game. As advertised, the O-line was the only thing that looked like a weak link today.
He played, but I'm not sure he played much after the first couple possessions. Ditto Chris Evans.
Wilton Speight is nothing special. A team with national championship aspirations should be looking for more that that from their starting QB.
Really surprised at his woeful play today. He looked scared and not decisive. Footwork was bad and a guy needs a superior arm with bad footwork - Speight's arm was poor today and never been a cannon.
I still think JH changes QB to Peters after MSU game once he is far more comfortable. His arm strength and mobility are light years ahead of Speight - he needs to get in command of the O to displace Speight.
Take a risk in order to give the team a higher ceiling.
I'm not saying he's awful, or anything close to that, and I don't claim to have an expert opinion about what Peters could be, but I think it's clear that the team should be looking to do better than Speight.
To be fair, Alabama has won all of their recent titles with every position on the field dominating, deep with the best 5 star talent money can buy, except for the qb. Our love of boring safeties is mirrored by their love of boring quarterbacks.
But to be fair to your point, Speight wasn't boring today. My poor nerves..
Disagree. Bama has nothing but 4 and 5 stars in the QB room. Its the offense they run that makes the QB look like crap. That is one boring, bland, efficient offense.
I hate Alabama.
According to 247 composite, Greg McElroy was a generic 3 star, #17 pro style QB. 86 rating. Jake Coker was also generic 3 star, #15 pro style QB, 86 rating. Yes, they had higher rated QBs on the roster who didn't pan out, and McCarron was a 4 star, but they win with 3 star QBs.
Haven't watched the Alabama offense in the last couple of years, I guess. Lane Kiffin is a lot of things but he was definitely a terrific OC.
We're trying to build a team in the mold of
Alabama, where we don't depend on excellent QB play to win. Speight didn't play well today, but he's good enough to win.
Funny thing about that i asked a Buckeye at work who their QB for the 02 championship team was and he couldn't remember. With a good enough team around the QB many guys can win in college.
Was Drake Harris on the sidelines? Didn't see him play.
Is clearly more talented than Speight. You need an NFL level playmaker to win championships and Peters can be that guy.
Did anyone see big Dan Faalele today? I thought I saw him, but it may have been the Paea family. All those Samoans looked 6'9" 400 lbs
did you notice any objects blocking the sun and/or slightly altering the field of gravity?
Speight probably hasn't lost his job to this point, but it would be nice to see him come out and take it on the public stage. It was grind time from the start of the Iowa game on last year, and he didn't exactly take the job and run away with it. Today's showing obviously does not help.
He'll have to work to keep his job. It wasn't a great day for him today and I am concerned that he isn't taking his game to the next level. He had good footwork today as usual but his decision-making was suspect (throwing into double coverage) as was his accuracy (which was affected by the wind) and timing.
Nothing that can't be fixed, but he'll have to earn the job with Peters and O'Korn playing as well as they did today.
but I don't know that you can just ignore all the rest of spring practice, where he has been the clear leader, because of that.
A poor day is a poor day - everything else counts too. But sometimes you need to hear the people behind you catching up so that you know you've got to pick up your pace...
And knowing that he has to keep improving. But still, he's the player that he is, and he is certainly a better QB than he showed yesterday. Maybe he just wasn't feeling that great yesterday, mabe he just had a "whatever" attitude about a practice game that doesn't mean anything and dogged it a bit. Who knows?
Still a long way until opening day, and I certainly don't think he's locked in as the starter. No reason why Peters couldn't pass him some time before the end of the season, but I would not say that's happened yet based only on yesterday.
Secondary depth is less of a concern after today. Glasgow will be contributing a lot this season.
Need the 2 safeties to stay healthy, but plenty of CBs and athletes for Brown to build a secondary.
Especially if the DL lives up to its capability. Add Solomon, Luigi and Hudson (expect Deron to RS but who knows) for summer workouts and fall camp - DL could be explosive and deep.
Also mor LB talent coming ...
D looked good but if QB play doesn't somehow take a huge step forward this team will be lucky to go 8-4.
Normal spring game day overreaction. Can always count on those.
To win 7 or less games the QB would have to be Steven Threet. Talk about an exaggeration.
Speight essentially played against the starting defense. Gary, Bush, Hurst, Kinnel, McCray, Mone were all on the other side. I'm thinking he will be fine.
Even if he was going up against the ones his passes and decisions were terrible.
That's what top 5 defenses do. They pressure quarterbacks and force bad decisions. Peters barely saw any pressure all day, and made a terrible decision himself.
Not sure what that means. Speight's fine because he played kinda meh but it was against a quality D?
Sure, our defense figures to be excellent if guys stay healthy, even given the inexperience. But if the long term goal is to win the B1G and contend for national championships then you need a QB who can perform at least fairly well against a very good D. Maybe Speight can do that; but if so he still needs to prove it.
I think Speight will definitely be better, stronger and smarter this year. But you make a good point and it's fair to point out that he had a chance to practice against the nation's best defense last year.
Having high expectations for him, if he is the starter, is warranted.
Yeah, OSU and Wisconsin will have excellent defenses. If we want to win the big games on our schedule we're gonna have to beat good defenses, which Speight hasn't proven that he can do.
He beat Wisconsin last year pretty convincingly, save for 3 missed field goals.
Our defense flat out dominated Wisconsin, in fact Speight is the only reason Wisconsin scored any points.
This either or logic makes no sense. So that Wisconsin wheel wasn't the defense's fault? Did Speight not throw a perfect ball to Darboh? Speight played well enough to beat them by two scores, but we missed three field goals. He can play well enough to beat them again.
The defense beat wisconsin last year.
You are looking at Speight in a vacuum. He was out there with half an offensive line and a bunch of new receivers who likely ran some poor routes. There's only so much you can do.
I saw very few plays where he could be comfortable in the pocket and wait for things to develop. He may have that trouble this year anyway, but he will have a better Oline group protecting him, and won't be facing a DL that good very often, if ever.
As of right now I still expect Speight to start, but he didn't look good today from what I saw and Peters looked quite good. It's not just that Peters is "the other guy" now, people have seen him show up on the field.
This looks like a long-running QB controversy now, until one of them just locks up the job with great play. Which might not be possible in 2017.
Agreed. Peters throws a very nice ball and has nice athleticism and mobility. I find it really hard to believe Speight has already earned the starting job.
No guarantees of course that the starter goes 12+ games and never gets dinged, especially given that our OL aren't world-beaters and Speight has been and may yet still be hurting. He wasn't 100% against OSU (and quite possibly any game after Colorado,) and missed the Indiana game. No reason to think something similar couldn't play out in 2017.
So even if Speight starts vs UF, I'm happy to see how good Peters looked, along with O'Korn seeming to have developed. It looked like John's fundamentals have come a long way. It's spring, but I also remember last spring and the Indiana game. Seems like a better player today. We have better options and probably two if not three guys (depending on whether you think O'Korn has improved) that could conceivably take the field this year and win a game for us.
At least we've seen Speight be productive so we know it's possible. If Peters had looked bad, we'd have no idea. Instead, there's reason for optimism now.
one thing is for sure: for the first time in at least 10 years, I feel confident in our top TWO quarterbacks. should anything happen to the starter, I have full faith in the backup.
There will be no QB controversy. Whoever JH says is staring will start and we won't be calling for anyone's head.
aww. you must be new here
Run game looked great - but does that mean run D needs work? Passing game was iffy but there I attribute it to the DL/DBs looking really good, as well as the wind. Agree that it looks like a budding QB controversy.
You're going to see our first team DL got worked on at least several plays. Wasn't always the first team LBs and safeties, but our OL got the RB to the second level (unless the DL did their.jobs and the busts were on the LBs). I'm hoping that means the OL was bad most of the game but has some potential to grow. At least in the run game. Pass pro was abysmal. Hopefully Evans has gotten better at that or he's going to be off the field on a lot of passing downs, eliminating his ability to actually catch some passes.
Walker ran well, he never had much of an opening. Really kept his legs churning and picked up something positive.
I like Walker a lot. I think he'll get a bunch of carries this season.
his TD that called back was a pretty nice run
The amount of positive vibes here for Peters are significant. This definitely heightens the competition. Jim Harbaugh says "meritocracy," and I believe it. The best man plays.
I am encouraged because JH is not an idiot. If Peters truly has passed Speight, he will see the field. We will know soon enough. I do think that the quality of Michigan's defense, especially the starting DL, makes a huge difference. I also am very encouraged by the improvement of the LB corps, which has been somewhat meh for years.
I haven't seen any comments on Robo . . . did he play? I also am waiting to see more about DPJ.
The one downer for me is the OL. I still think we need another year or two before that unit is up to snuff. I'd like to be wrong though.
Robo played. He was OK I think, though it's probably not a good sign that Hewlett ran over him on his way to that big gainer late in the game.
I think Speight will start vs Florida no matter what because he has earned Harbaugh' trust to manage a game. I don't think that's the kind of game you give a sophomore his first start.
I suspect we will see Peters in mop up duty vs Cincinnati and air force and from there a decision may be made based upon game performance.
I think it's going to be darn near impossible for Peters to jump Speight based only on practice.
It's too bad it was so windy. Don't know if we got a great assessment of what the offense can do. Given the built-in advantage of Brown's DL 2.0 featuring Supergary, it's rather easy to feel pessimistic about the offense right now. After a while, saying "take care of the damned football" over and over becomes pointless. They know.
Speights performance was underwhelming, it's still his job to lose but no matter what anyone says chulk this one up for Peters. If this continues don't be surprised when it happens
where can I get Jon Hansen's blazer?!?!
He made the muppets, what, do you not like the muppets???
Close, but that woud be Jim Henson.
I think a few of us remember him......
We have a lot of good TE's. Eubanks and Gentry looked good.
It's no question Peters looked better. He was more mobile / athletic, decisive and precise. In Harbaugh I trust and if anyone doubts whether or not he will pull the trigger see Alex Smith / Colin Kaepernick.
Faster and quicker than I remember.
Bush will be fun to watch.
Shouldn't that last comment be on the Pornhub post from yesterday?
How good is #7 - oooh, I like him
Anywhere to catch a replay?
I'm sure something will get posted sometime tonight.
God Toby. Shut up.
I'm irrationally excited that Glasgow is pushing and has pushed his way seemingly almost to a starting position. Last year's buzz, the coaches' positive comments, and this game are not enough to make me feel as relatively optimistic about the safety position as I do now, but alas. It is something at least, to go from Kinnel and Metellus and nothing to those two and another guy. If his name were anything other than Glasgow I think I'd be panicking, which means I should probably be doing exactly that. But again alas, this is my primary takeaway from the first viewing: we probably have 3 guys who can play safety, and survive with far enough into the season for them to gain experience enough to face the primary foes.
Might have overlooked another comment on this but Nordin looked damn good too.
Thomas in the #1 jersey with the Italian flag on his helmet was my favorite part of the game. (I'm half Italian and the T in ST3 stands for Thomas.)
Probably less than half Italian if you really think about it.
Also the guys on radio said today "of the 10 freshman who came in early, Harbaugh thinks 9 will play meaningful time this year". Don't quote me on if 10 was the right # of EE (WD ALERT) but that's what Dierdorf said.
Corey Malone Hatcher and Jaraymond Hall would be the two early enrollee's that I figure would redshirt for sure. Everyone else could easily see starting or reserve playing time, plus special teams. Did Ben Mason play today?
Best 2 players I saw today were Hudson and Bush, they both were playing very fast. Sp8 didn't look good but his receivers have to help him out. The most troubling thing for me was that Sp8 was staring down receivers, he did it on that pick-6 in the red zone.
Can you please never write "Sp8" again?
Speight's spate of Sp8, Sp8, Sp8, Sp8, Sp8s
68 looked like a man out there. Walk on redshirt freshman. Amazing
that there was some serious talent in the crowd today. Thanks for the 80 degree weather. That was my most meaningful observation.
You sound like a creepy old man.
Take out the creepy and the old and you'll be pretty accurate
Seen a guy get cpr and brought back near section 1 ! Doc in crowd saws him and big hrtp
Matt Shepard kept calling Sean McKeon 'Mc-Q-oon" (rhymes with McSpoon). That has to be a mistake, right?
It's pronounced Mc-Kewn which seems like everyone and their brother will always pronouce it wrong.
watch whole Spring game on dvr. after traveling yesterday. B. Peters looked excellent, except for one play. He clearly has a bright future. K. Hudson was terrific. Gary, Kemp, Bush all play fast and look terrific. T. Black excellent day. A. Thomas solid. Ty Issac, Chris Brown, Karan Higdon all looked great and quick at running back, hit the holes quickly. Tight Ends look great. All the players all look like they are in great football shape and strong for their age. Nordin's field goal would have been good from 60, even though down wind.
Not saying Speight won't be our starter this year, but the future looks bright for Michigan football with a talented B. Peters, D. McCaffrey, young defense, running back stable, and excellent young receiver corps. Go Blue !
To see Rashan Gary take some people down this year!