Spielman on Hoke and players development

the QB makes the team win or lose 90% of the time, we still run Gardner out who was developed undetermined RRod the early years of gradners college career.

Apparently Urban can't develop O-line talent either because I saw Taylor Decker get beaten like a drum against Buffalo.  Admitedly, it was against a high-caliber NFL prospect, but Decker's reactions after seeing another sack were hilarious.  And Decker was the 19th rated tackle and 165th ranked player overall according to 247 Composite.

What's that you say?  He's a redshirt freshman?  He'll get better?  Linemene take time?  Uhh, ok.

Pretty generic stuff that he could have said about Texas or Florida or any underperforming top school, like Texas or Florida. We have the talent to be a top team, it's up to the coaches to develop that talent. Hoke will need to do this to make this team win.

I was recently cataloguing my collection of Mich football videos and during the 2000 Orange Bowl, was struck by the comment that Mich had 34 graduating seniors after the 1999 season. 34!  When Hoke reaches comparable levels, ask me then if he's still not developing players.  

Why isn't this meme dead yet? We have had a bunch of freshmen start and play well on defense. None of then were 5* guys. Morgan and Ryan will be All-B1G or AA. Stribling and Lewis looked good. Wilson looked good. Countess is All-B1G level. Quentin Washington. Will Campbell. Even on offense: Gardner is now good, despite being as raw as sushi as an underclassman. Gallon is breaking records despite being a poor special teamer as an underclassmen. Butt has been good. Funchess has been good. This is nonsense. And the opinions cannot ever change, as this staff is getting good recruits, so when they do ultimately pan out, it won't be because they were developed, it will be because they have the talent. Maybe we should recruit under our abilities so that we can be seen as a good program for development, rather than a good program. Horsepucky.

I am sooo sick of this shite, "well Wisconsin and MSU have 3 star players whoopin Hokes 4 and 5 star players" This is a load of crap being spread with political procision. It takes to long to explain it away than just saying "Hoke can't coach cause his 5 stars are being out played by 3 stars".The players all know and have said out loud (GOOD LUCK) to 5 star players who say they are going to come into the league and tear it up. A 3 star fifth year SR will look into the eyes of a five star freshman knowing full well he will dominate them. Maybe on a play or two the five star will show he has alot of potential and beat the 3 star guy. A few plays does not make up a game. But by the third year of the five stars eligebility he will make a fool out of fifth year guys on most plays, not all, but most. This is not rocket science people its just the way it is, Woodson got beat occasionally by 3 star players its just a matter of having seen this or that play or move so many times and have practiced against it so many times they can do it in their sleep. So good luck to the five stars who say they will come into the league and tear it up but its more likely they will hold their own. Second third year yes they will make fools of alot of three star kids especially the ones who are forced to play due to the player ahead of them is hurt. I had as long of a talk as I could stand with a Sparty at Target yesterday he finally saw the light of my arguement but I could tell he was just going to keep saying that SOS till its believable and hopefully they can sway some recruits. Luckily the kids UM recruits are far to smart follow some idiots reasoning. 

from the buckeye mafia

 

plant seeds of doubt in recruits minds, expect Herbie to have some "breaking" news soon.

 I know we’ve gone over this and over this, but apparently it’s time to reiterate. M’s offensive line consists of the following scholarship players:

• Two redshirt seniors who’ll play their final game for M on Saturday
• No seniors
• No redshirt juniors on scholarship (Burzynski might get one, who knows?)
• No juniors
• Three redshirt sophomores, one of whom started the season at two different positions (Glasgow), one who started and was later benched (Miller), and one (Bryant) who started a couple games (MN and PSU) before his relegation to the bench.
• No sophomores
• Four redshirt freshmen: Bars (who did not see the field as an offensive lineman this season), Braden (got into the CMU and Ohio games), Kalis (started at guard for the first 6 games, was a backup for four games, came back as a starter for the final two games), and Magnuson (started IU, MSU, NE, NU at one guard position, then moved to the other guard position when Kalis was reinstated as the other starting guard).
• Six true freshmen, only one of whom, Bosch, saw the field in 2013 as a starter or a sub from the IU game on). The remainder—Dawson, Fox, Kugler, Samuelson, and Tuley-Tillman—all redshirted.

The guy that came to mind when I saw this, was Kalis, who looked totally lost most of the time, and looked like Omameh when pulling. And Magnuson too. But OL and DL require man strength, no? Thus, a true freshman wont have it. A RS frosh may or may not. Supposedly Kalis is strongest player on team so Im thinking that Speilman is right about Kalis, Magnuson, even Braden, and some of the DL

 

They get 4 or 5 star kids every year

 

That's true, as far as it goes, but maybe it's worth looking at the historical numbers. Rivals again:

• Year: 5-stars/4-stars
• 2002: 1/10
• 2003: 1/12
• 2004: 1/10
• 2005: 1/9
• 2006: 2/9
• 2007: 1/5
• 2008: 0/12
• 2009: 1/12
• 2010: 0/6
• 2011: 0/5
• 2012: 1/8
• 2013: 1/16

An average Michigan class in the internet era has 0.8 5-stars and 9.5 4-stars. 2010 and 2011 put together was barely an average class, and that's before attrition.

There was always good reason to expect this to be a below-average Michigan team even before half the 2010 class walked out the door.

Just so everyone knows... Spielman deep down is a wolverine. Its true. The story of his recruitment he was coming to us and absolutely loved Michigan, that is, until his dad abused a minor, by essentially threatening to disown him at the eleventh hour, if he goes to us. Supposedly all his dads buddies were gonna do the same to him. Speilman as a 17yo panicked, and fell for it. Thats child abuse in my book.

Until 2015 at the earliest. If these 4 and 5 stars flop, then yes Hoke cannot develop players and Hoke will get the boot!

Michigan's 5-stars are a redshirt freshman lineman, a freshman running back, a freshman quarterback, and a sophomore defensive tackle with an ACL tear. Spielman talks s*** about Michigan on broadcasts and to other media, and frankly, I don't give a rat's patoot about his analysis of Michigan. I usually don't listen to him when he's broadcasting Michigan games. I just turn off the volume.

I can't listen to Spielman, or the yes man that works play by play with him normally "Duh thats right Chris" but I am already long winded enough here. Spielman actually saying "their best play is a Qb draw" which having a talent like Gardner on the field was what made it somewhat true. We went to him everytime we got into a hole. Then you watch the Bucks play and even though they used their tailback with some success it was the same thing, when they got into a hole it was the Qb draw or the option read, just like UM to bail them out. So he lost any remaining credibility I might have been willing to give him. I think that was the Akron fiasco or the U Conn. fiasco I dont remember which. They were equally unbareable to watch but I have watched enough football to see our (UM) heads weren't in it, but it was not so much a lack of talent or quality coaching. I do though, in all fairness understand the hate mail he must recieve if he doesn't bash UM with regularity. Having been at "the Game" in the shoe talking with their fans and having some cousins that live just outside of Columbus, they are rabid.

But developing talent better, especially as the year goes along, is the No Shit!!! Statement of the year. I think everyone who follows M football already knows that, and didn't need anyone to point that out.