says there's more stuff coming out.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
says there's more stuff coming out.
Unless they have a top notch coach waiting in the wings (I doubt it), I would guess that they would go with an acting head coach from the existing staff and take some time to regroup and search for a permanent coach.
If OSU gets hit with major sanctions, I don't know who would take that job.
What do the rest of you geniuses think?
I'll take the OSU job -- I don't know how to coach so I'd run the OSU program further into the ground and I could make a lot of money doing so. Imagine the OSU coach, coming out decked out in maize and blue!
Rich, is that you?
Darn it! I got caught (which, by the way demonstrate my fit for the OSU job). I thought the decked in maize and blue would throw you off, since Rita donated all that M gear.
Your friend, RR
Lane Kiffin is on the next Amtrak from LA to Columbus as we speak.
Maybe an overly-dramatic gopher. Could be a prairie dog.
I would have to think OSU would love to get Urban Meyer.... I just hope he doesn't forget why he quit in the first place. There's a reason Bob Ufer called it a "snake pit."
I believe Urban just bought a house in Upper Arlington. Granted I know he has Midwest roots, but Columbus wouldn't exactly be the 1st place I'd choose for a vacation home.
What did you do to get blasted back to Bolivia? I must've missed that thread.
I think it is expiring points. OMGshirtless and I are in the same boat. I'm fearing the day when the majority of my points expire sending me on a one way trip to Bolivia.
A pretty big penalty for posting an inappropriate joke in the thread about the dude on the Dolphins getting stabbed by his wife (I definitely deserved it) and then general point expiration.
Wow dude.....sorry about that. Maybe ProfitgoBlue can help you out.
I dont think he's coaching in 2011 either
Just the rumblings I am hearing from the connected buckeyes in my life. They've been right before, so we will see.
is getting threatening letters/emails from the psychos down there. Unbelievable.
None of the people making threats are fit to shine his shoes.
Spielman is not going to say anything like that for the sake of attention and/or to sell a radio show or newspapers. That doesn't mean he's right, of course, but it's a bad sign for an OSU coach when Spielman is saying that.
That has to be a first.
One thing about the whole situation that I find laughable is how he wrote in a book about John Wooden (put together by the Fellowship of Christian Athletes - members) about how Wooden showed what true integrity was, and how that impacted him in a deep and profound way.
Sucks to be OSU. I think Hoke is higher than other coaches who do this, but if you were going to do recruiting using the negative things at other colleges to spurn athletes away now's a good time.
...do you think Hoke is?
"...about how Wooden showed what true integrity was..."
That's the lore of the guy, right. He won all those titles, had that great smile, surely he was the model of integrity.
He also had a "guy" who "hired" all of his ball players for summer jobs or internships or whatever. And they never showed up for work but collected those paychecks. No surprise why all those greats went to play at UCLA. Yes, that was a violation back then too.
So what's this about Wooden's integrity???
Dantonio makes a big show out of keeping a Bible on his desk, and he and Tressel present themselves as noble guardians of integrity and ethics.
It's just like politicians and preachers——they louder they assert their family values, the tighter I keep ahold of my wallet and my wife.
Also see: Holtz, Lou.
Wooden was mondo dirty.
to back up that statement or are you just assuming because he won with dominant players like Lew Alcindor and Bill Walton that he was dirty. Don't get me wrong I'm all for libel but at least show me some proof that a man who is almost universally regarded as being a good person, by friend and foe alike, is "mondo dirty."
Bill Walton wrote a book that discusses how Sam Gilbert paid recruits for almost a decade to go to UCLA.
Thank you sir those were very interesting reads.
anyone with the title of Senator could be corrupt.
I am giving up hope on the human race and becoming a lawyer.
Because lawyers have such a positive image...
But, but, but, he wears a sweater vest so he must have integrity!
I thought the reporter said OSU was his "8" scandal.
I have a feeling we're in for a surprise (or actual substantiation of what we've suspected all along, but couldn't ever prove) this summer.
IIRC he said Tressel was his "eight". Some serious accounting problems with those cars packaged with a lot of paperwork not processed in the compliance department at OSU could spell for an easy "ten".
He said OSU wasn't the "10".
There is also a chance that his NCAA leak has been plugged, so he might be having trouble with that story.
My bad. It's getting tough to remember which scandal in Columbus is which, though.
such a good problem to have!
much like getting low on scholarhips despite being 9 months away from signing day.
The moon landing was faked?
At the bottom of that post was a link to an Angelique article on DB:
Major topics covered:
-it wasn't Rich Rod's fault
-night games are exciting
-he will golf on July 25th
I've got to respect the guy.
He actually lives in my neighborhood and while I don't know him, a trusted friend of mine who used to work out with him in the mornings says that he's one of the purest human beings he knows. Spielman is honest; loyal, but not blind; and his exceptional devotion to his wife through and after her long battle with cancer is really something to learn from.
This Rivals article makes it seem like it is ok just because he paid a non-zero value for the car....
Buried in that Spielman article is a reference to "solving" the mysterious $0 car purchase. Turns out it was a $13,700 car purchase.
But look closely: A 2007 Chrysler 300C was purchased in June 2007 for $13K.
Unless it had been in an accident, that's got to be a sweetheart deal, right? Even assuming the 2007 car was "new" in 2006, it would have been under a year old. Even if it had been previously purchased, its blue book value would have been way, way north of $13K. Am I missing something?
Screaming to be a benefit of some kind. If not... I want that deal on a 2011 model.
That should be after trade in and any cash down (and price of game tickets). The dealer could have given him a deal on the trade in, or maybe the car wasn't in great shape. Unless they find the cancelled check from OSU to the dealer, I don't think the NCAA will be able to do much with this story.
Dispatch also said that Maurice Wells' mom didn't really drive up from Florida to buy a car.
This might end up being very "Free Pressy", though TP's endless loaners does deserve some explanation.
According to Kelly Blue Book, in Columbus, OH, there are currently six listings for a Chrysler 300 (there's no distinguishing the "C" type from any others). Model years are 2005 - 2010. The minimum value of the only '07 model is $15,700. Nice round number, right? And - gee! - what a coincidence, it's exactly $2,000 more than the price paid by young Thaddeus.
Now, allowing for the fact that Mr. Gibson bought the car a year ago, that would only adjust that minimum price upward. So, were I an investigator, I'd be asking a few questions of him:
1. What (if any) vehicle did you trade in? What was it's value at trade-in?
2. What was the final price of the Chrysler before the trade-in?
3. Where is the paperwork that shows the trade-in, other cash down, etc. (in other words, the bill of sale and/or financing paperwork)?
I'd be asking the same of that dealership, too.
I'm not sure the NCAA cares to go into *that* much detail on the transaction. I assume they want to make sure that OSU has procedures in place to 1) get notified of car purchases by players, 2) they have the proper paperwork on file and 3) they have some system to check that the purchase prices weren't out of whack with the market. It seems a bit much to expect any school to independently appraise the newly purchased car as well as the trade in.
Seems like OSU has #1 and #2 in place. We'll have to see how much work the NCAA expects a school to put into #3 (if the NCAA even looks into the matter at all).
If there are improper benefits being alleged, simply looking at the final sale price won't prove it. The NCAA (or tOSU Compliance Office) will have to go to that level of detail to prove or disprove the allegation.
EDIT: Speaking of which..."I think, if we're going to go around killing people, we had better make damn sure of our evidence."
A quick check of cars.com for Chrysler 300's (2007's, '08's & '09's) in Columbus, OH (75 mile radius from 48035) shows the least expensive versions, with a 2.7l engine, which the 300C does not have, begin at $18,000. The mileage on those vehicles are close to 30,000 as well. So, yeah, $13K sounds awfully cheap.
Here's lookin' at you, Buckeyes!
Spielman is a known Michigan homer. Just like Herbstreit, Eddie George, and... well, I suppose just about everyone else who has expressed an opinion about this.
I was trying to label this comment as funny and instead I "moderated" it as flamebait...I don't know how this damn thing works anymore.
The internets confuse me at times. I say we go back to the old series of tubes system..
The more I read about the OSU program under Tress, the more I think that if there is any justice in the world, these guys will be vacating wins going back several years, will receive scholarship reductions, will have a 3-4 year bowl ban and will have to fire the Vest.
Just look at the number of alleged incidents out there:
1. Tat gate - Tress KNOWINGLY allows players who have violated NCAA rules (and are therefore ineligable) to play half a season. Tress KNOWINGLY lies to the NCAA - on multiple occasions - and (not sure if this helps or hurts) doesn't even tell OSU compliance.
2. The cars, the cars - There have been allegations relating to cars going back to Mo Clarrett. It appears that Mo - who had his allegations dismissed as the ramblings of a disgruntled, somewhat crazy and self-serving individual - was on to something. If they do a real investigation, I would bet that the number of "sweetheart" deals is staggering. Just look at TP - multiple times, he was pulled over in different cars, all from the SAME dealership, and allegedly he was on test drives each times. Because I know that when I was 18 or 19, dealers would have freely given me cars to test drive, across state lines, for several days as a time. Of course, dealers generally allow test drives when they are in the process of selling cars - did these dealers really believe that TP (coming from a modest financial background) was going to purchase these luxury cars?
3. AJ Hawk's bag o cash - because when I was in college, I regularly kept thousands of $ in cash in my apartment. Clearly, nothing to see here.
4. T. Smith's alleged recruiting violations - so long ago that I forgot the substance, but if I recall, there may have been prostitutes involved.
5. Mo Clarrett
How is it even remotely possible that the NCAA has allowed this to go on for so long without even conducting a serious investigation? Hopefully, now that there has been publicity, the NCAA will have no choice but to come down hard to save face in light of their recent wrist-slaps for Cam Newton and the Tat 5 (Fiesta).
OSU used to be known as the Graveyard of Coaches--esp when Woody took the job.
Now, think back.....
I thought Notre Dame was the "graveyard of coaches." Or is the "all you can eat buffet of coaches," I forgot.
Notre Dame is the place coaches go to be "one or two years away from playing in a national title game."
It is then the place coaches leave three to five years later as "the one thing that was preventing the team from playing in a national championship game for the last two or three years."
Jimmy Clausen just isn't that great of a quarterback. Sorry, Domers.
A bit of a puff, sure. But his final season at Notre Dame was awfully good. He had no running game, no defense. Threw for 300+ yards per game (including 2 games over 400 yards), 28 TDs and 4 INTs, 68% completion percentage. This is against defenses that knew they were going to throw every down.
I actually think he'll make a good pro. He was awful last year, but he was awful his first year at ND. In a few years I think he'll be pretty good. Slow learner. He can read defenses, find the open receiver, and deliver the ball accurately.
All I'm saying is that the longer this thing draggs on the better and better it becomes for us. This thing may end with some slaps on the wrist as we really dont know, however the longer it goes and the deeper the NCAA digs the better off we are. It seems as though every week or two there is another revelation and the negative spotlight just continues to shine.
In a down year of scholarship availability You would think that kids who really want to attend OSU would be committing all over the place (Much like at Mich right now!!!!) The reality is though . . .
Frank Epitropoulos (LEGACY) - 04/26/2011
Jacoby Boren (LEGACY) - 12/03/2010
Brionte Dunn was the last recruit so verbal who wasnt an automatic on 12/03/2010. Since then he has been to AA for a visit and now labeled as a Soft Commit.
has been Since then he has been to AA
Doesnt it strike anyone as "suspicious" that 50 athletes most WITHOUT incomes purchase cars from ONE SINGLE dealership...not to mention that out of state familiy members as well? WHY would out of state relatives buy a car from a columbus dealership UNLESS they were given special deals? What are the odds of 50 diff athletes all going to one dealership?
Weve all suspected this was going on in Columbus for years..there were lot of rumors and highly questionable incidences every since Tressel came into town..
face it..theyve been caught red handed and there DESPERATE to keep Tressel because winning is really all that matters there..