I wanted to say a witty comment but I don't have one.
Come to Michigan, Jabrill.
I wanted to say a witty comment but I don't have one.
Come to Michigan, Jabrill.
has anyone determined why the most recent prediction of a 247 analyst is rutgers?
He said he just wanted to be different, but he said that staying home and being close to his dad could be a bigger factor than people think. But it's based off gut and nothing factual.
He said he likes to be the 'loner' or something along those lines. Said he just thinks staying close to home will get more important when it gets closer to actually making a decision.
I don't get why people do this. It's like he doesn't care about his percentage of picking right, which affects his credibility. I get the whole "loner" thing, but at least pick someone in Peppers' top five.
And just to be clear, it's only 1 of 26 analysts on 247 that picked Rutgers, the other 25 picked Michigan.
So when he's not busy with football, he must be that 5th dentist?
Sometimes the noxious fumes hovering over New Jersey make people say and do weird things.
I know you have some bug up your but and try to crowbar insults towards NJ whenever you can. Though the guy who predicted Peppers to Rutgers is from Texas so maybe , you know, save your hilarious nuggets where they're applicable.
Don't get so offended. We all make jokes.
He's made other remarks in the past and while this one is more of a joke others have been just mean spirited, snotty critiques. First time I've said something so I've shown restraint. New Jersey is giving Michigan some damn fine recruits this year so maybe a little respect isn't a lot to ask for in return.
I'm not trying to be condescending here but, it's a random dude on a message board. It's not that big of a deal.
be a transplant. Jersey people are supposed to have thick skin, no?
The pollution messes with their skin too!?
Ohio is giving us some good recruits, too.
Maybe jokes about Ohio should be banned, right?
You know it's not about the joke. As lame as it was. Anyone else on the board says that and I wouldn't think twice about it. For you it was just the straw. You've shown a pattern of mean spiritedness on the subject in the past and justify it because you lived in one section of NJ briefly. That would be like someone trashing the state of Michigan because of Detroit. How about just having some class?
I didn't realize that "class" involves liking every place in the world and/or not making jokes about anyone.
I guess this board is full of people who lack class, because nearly everyone here makes jokes about the state of Ohio. You've probably even made a joke or two about other states before, but that's just a guess and I don't feel like researching.
If I see you call out everyone who makes a joke about Ohio, I might reconsider expressing my feelings about New Jersey. Until then...
I didn't even have to read it, but I knew where he'd go with that one...
Dude argues to not lose, the actual point at hand means nothing.
It's really not off-topic at all. If you can't see the connection, that's your problem, not mine.
Remember when you said this?
Yeah the Jersey Jokes get old. Understood pockets of jersey are less than optimal, especially near newark, camden, and jersey city, etc... These areas are a very small piece of the state that unfortunately gets high visibility. The area that Jabril goes to school, Bergen County Paramus, and other areas such as Ramsey (Don Bosco) and the rest of northern and central jersey are much nices than Bloomfield Hills, Birminham, GR, etc... by a long ways. Im sure you do not mind recruits from here since they produce some very serious talent that does not have to deal with the fumes.
truly respect your football expertise and posts. I would bet however that you did live in a very shitty area and/or are just being a jerk cause its "fun" bash on jersey. I'll make sure to remind you of that every time Jabril gets a pick 6 or INT.
agree with OP
Jersey City isn't too bad. Downtown is probably one of the best looking places in New Jersey. Also St. Peter's Prep is in Jersey City, which is pretty good at football itself. That's where Jon Hilliman goes to school.
Lived in the Heights in '05-'06 and worked in Secaucus. Dated a Portuguese girl (who are amazingly beautiful I must add) from Newark who insisted I'd miss Jersey if I ever moved. I didn't argue with her, and turns out she was right. Really hurt to see what Sandy did to the shore and to Hoboken where I spent many a weekend night. Looking forward to going back to visit and getting one of those amazing sandwhiches from Giovanni's in Sec. I live in Chicago now and love it here, but if I had to I'd have no problem going back to the Heights, or Hoboken or really anywhere around there. Had alot of fun there and in the city.
if those placed if you think New Jersey "is much nicer". If New Jersey was so great than why didn't you go to school there?
People from the Midwest make fun of New Jersey reflexively. It's ok. We don't know anything about it except that we liked your delis when we drove through on the way to NYC once, and we think that you have a lot of landfills there for some reason vaguely associated with the mafia. Also you are a mecca of embarrassing reality tv, and the Jersey Shore looked kind of gross in that one episode of Grounded for Life.
New Jersey people make fun of New Jersey. I live in Indiana and make fun of Indiana. I don't care if people make jokes about Indiana. They are called jokes, lighten up. Anyone who gets upset about jokes about their state need to step back and realize it means nothing!!!
I live in Indiana and make fun of Indiana.
I'm also from Indiana.
IIRC, my old roomate used to routinely refer to Jersey as "The Dirrrty"; he is from Seaside Heights. I know one girl I recently worked with, from Marlton I believe, whom also spoke of the "dirty" in a similar, poor light.
It's not just people from the Midwest. I've been just about everywhere in the US and everyone makes fun of NJ. Seems to be a way for people from different areas and cultures to bond.
Does this mean we can't make fun of THIS anymore?
I work with a lot of Mexican immigrants; the stuff those guys say about Oaxacos would make a sailor blush.
What's "Oaxacos?" I gather it's not some sort of taco.
... which goes on everywhere in the country, and very frequently here on MGoBlog. If I wrote indignant replies to every mean-spirited joke about Detroit or southeastern Michigan that I see on the internet, I'd be busy 24/7/365. There are places in Michigan and New Jersey which are beautiful, and areas that are horrid dumps. Who cares?
There is a percentage of New Jersey that is quite nice, but the other 98.5% makes the rest of the state look bad....
Those aren't jokes. Shit we say about Ohio is verifiably true.
Someone call the Waaaaaambulance. You're really that offended at a little nothing joke about a state? Grow up.
If you think driving through NJ stinks try having their trash dumped in your state. I had to grow up in a state between NJ and Ohio... It's a joke Jersey guys but please stay on your side of the Ben Franklin bridge.
the following joke:
What is the difference between Jersey women and garbage?
At least the garbage gets picked up every once in a while!
I am a Polish Michigan fan in the heart of Ohio territory, so I've heard every obnoxious insult/joke there is. Sometimes you just have to have thick skin.
I don’t recall Magnus having anything to do with the fact that everyone in New York refers to New Jerseyites as “bridge and tunnel” people. I lived and worked in New Jersey – Montvale/Paramus/Park Ridge – and honestly man, outside of Princeton and Asbury Park, Jersey is a dive. Unfriendly people wedged between the unfriendly towns of NYC and Philly, what would you expect?
I loved how Giants Stadium was located in the "Meadowlands" which is a fancy way of saying it is located in a big, smelly swamp that probably houses the corpses of hundreds of Tony Soprano-types along with Jimmy Hoffa.
Where Minnesota is the Land of a Thousand Lakes, what is Jersey? Land of a Thousand Smells? Land of a Thousand Strip Malls? Land of a Thousand Highways thankfully getting people in and out of Jersey as fast as possible?
When I think of Jersey I think of Gary, Indiana and the smells related thereto. I think of Toledo, Ohio and the smells and sites related thereto.
Even lovely towns like Montclair, Alpine and Summit can't shake that garbage feel, where odd garbage smells, and hot road side garbage reside.
AC is fun simply because you can gamble there, but the town itself is an utter dive. Then don’t get me started on Newark or the Jersey Shore… Does Jersey have some nice people sprinkled in the mix? Sure, everywhere does, but again, Jersey is a dive, and for you to come to a website that endlessly bashes its neighboring Southern state as the worst state ever, and get butthurt when God forbid, someone bashes a state, you thoroughly clown yourself.
I type this in the hope you’ll respond, so I can enjoy your buffoonery further.
of this guy, I sure hope we get him. If for some reason we don't, we might want to block off all bridges in the state, people will be looking to jump
1. Michigan will have you on national television more than just about any other school.
2. Your Michigan degree gets you membership into the largest most influential alumni base in the nation.
3. Truth is, you can succeed wherever you go, but no fanbase compares to Michigan. We welcome you, your dad, your family with open arms. Sincerely.
4. You can make history by being a part of the greatest squad in Michigan history. Surpassing the 1997 squad, potentially.
5. Go Blue.
6. You end up on the cover of video games at Michigan. Your star can shine brightest in the Big House.
7. It's Michigan, fergodsakes
9. Profit (post Michigan of course)
You'll get to meet the guy who made that jersey when he's in town doing volunteer outreach, talking to the football players, and just being on example of how to conduct yourself on and off the field.
Northwestern just as hot as Michigan on the recruiting trail? Really ESPN? We have 8 player in your top 150 and NW has none.
Maybe they mean in terms of overachieving. The classes for both schools are shaping ip to be among the best in their respective histories. Props to Fitz and co.
Relative to the previous few years, yes. Historically, debatable.
The years in the early 2000s were pretty good, but not at the same level in terms of five star recruits and players at the top of their position.
In 1998, Drew Henson was #1 overall in most recruiters' eyes, which was basically Tom Lemming and Athlon Sports. David Terrell and Marquise Walker were top 5 or top 10 WRs if I'm correct. Hayden Epstein was either the top kicker or top 5 kicker. And I haven't gotten to Victor Hobson and Larry Foote. Or Cato June. These guys were from all over the country. Lots of NFL draft picks in that class.
Those football preview magazines all had recruiting class rankings in them, right? So for all those years before 2003 I wonder if people could pull out their old issues and compile them. I probably have some of them in a box somewhere. hmmmmm...
Yeah, I'm pretty familiar with our recruiting history. Regardless, I can't imagine a circumstance under which I would ever say that Michigan football is "overachieving" recruiting-wise. This is Michigan, fergodsakes, and I am not surprised.
The 1998 class was ridiculous. From Rivals:
"An amazing four recruits - quarterback Drew Henson, running back Justin Fargas, and wide receivers David Terrell and Marquise Walker - were ranked among the top three players at their positions, with Henson the No. 1 pro-style QB and Fargas the consensus No. 1 tailback nationally."
How often does a program coming off an 8-5 season, 9 years removed from its last conference title and with a 2-8 record in the most recent decade against its chief rival manage to pull off a class like what Hoke and Co. are in the midst of assembling? Notre Dame is the only recent example I can think of that would fall into this type of category.
Michigan is absolutely overachieving right now on the recruiting front. Hopefully we'll improve our record over the next couple of years so that these type of recruiting classes won't seem like such an overachievement relative to our on-the-field performance.
That is what true overachieving looks like, for us, it is return to business as usual!
that we haven't yet returned to what most Michgian fans would define as "business as usual" on the field. We're getting there, and should probably be back to the traditional Michigan standards at some point over the next couple of seasons. But until that happens, I would argue that we are overachieving from a recruiting standpoint.
Ole Miss is either overachieving or overpaying - I haven't figured out which yet.
'Hot' would normally describe quantity over quality. And since they've gotten 5 commits since the beginning of May, including 2 4*s, I'd say thats pretty good by Northwestern standards.
By NW's recruiting standards, this is as hot as they've even been. Two 4-stars plus Doles in the span of a few weeks is outstanding for them. And better than anyone else in the Big Ten outside of Michigan over the same stretch.
The ESPN video guy is misleading. At first glance it makes it seem like Northwestern is in the hunt for Jabrill Peppers. "The number two player in the country is about to make his decision and the Northwestern Wildcats are recruiting red hot."
What he should have said was "Jabrill Peppers is about to make his decision. In other news, Northwestern is putting together a much better recruiting class than they normally do."
Speight looks like he's out of central casting for a QB.
Someone upvote this man. I modded the wrong "rated."
I clicked and he was 2 - Normal and he went straight to 5 - Normal.
Either I've got super powers, or there are a lot of friendly people in this thread.
Speight already has the poise of a 25 year-old QB when speaking to the media and he isn't even a senior in HS yet. He has the potential to be the football team's Josh Bartelstein but with 5-star talent. I think he should get an invitation to the Elite 11 finals just for leadership abilitiy.
Won't play on my phone, could someone please sum up each main point made? Thank you!
But still no luck, just says "This video is not authorized for playback on this device"
iPhones cannot play flash video. So basically ever ESPN video you will not see on an apple device.
Did anyone else catch that little smirk from Tom VH when asked about Michigan's chances with Peppers? It looked to me like he knows something that the rest of us have been assuming for a while now, as the stars have been lining up one-by-one in Jabrill's recruitment.
My personal thoughts, I think we get both Peppers and Hand. I think if Hand had to commit today, it would be VT, if he had to commit next February it would be VT...but I think Michigan makes up ground every day (before the pressure to stay home in Feb would be too much).
Awesome! Hopefully this all goes as planned for us and his commitment comes to fruition.
Interesting thoughts about Hand at the end there, I hope you're right. For some reason I have a bad feeling about McDowell, do Hand would be excellent.
Heres how I think it goes...
Peppers AND Hand announce together in NY...thats the big surprise...
McDowell ends up going down south to play.
Brown ends up committing to us in August, after being wooed by Peppers and Hand, and overcomes the hometown squeeze with help from Hand who did the same....
GAME, SET, MATCH.
...but I think we get Peppers, Hand AND McDowell.
OL and S worry me, but we've recruited the hell out of the OL and we've got a bunch of "potential" safety prospects. SLB worries me a little bit because I think we finish #2 for Winovich (who I really like) to Ohio.
Not sure on Brown, his recruitment seems to be just beginning.
All that said, it's so early that if we can get the heavy hitters, we have all year to identify new prospects, late bloomers, sleepers and camp standouts.
That is the biggest reason I hope these bigger names commit sooner, rather than later. It would be awesome for the coaches to go into camps knowing "okay, all we need is a OT, SLB, S and one other player and we're done."
I think it becomes fun for the fans that follow recruiting as well if it turns out like that because then we can follow specific recruits and positions to see who's going to get those last 3, 4, 5 spots.
I think we all need to tone it down on the Hand optimism. Outside of this blog, I haven't really seen anything indicating that there's a good chance he's coming. 247 has it like 93/7 that he's going to VT. I think we may have generated a self-perpetuating hype machine here
...I said "I think," that doesn't mean it's going to happen. It's just a blog, a place for sharing opinions.
And I truly think that if we can build momentum in recruiting, start off the year hot, and really do what our MBB team did in terms of "buzz"...Hand will end up at Michigan.
I also said that "I think" if he committed today, it would be VT...which means that "I think" VT is his current leader.
You don't have to share my opinion whatsoever, but isn't that the point? I don't think we'll get Chase Winovich, I'm sure there are a lot of Michigan fans that disagree with that as well. Probably some Ohio fans too.
And "hype machine?" We're talking about top 5 players in the country. Players that most experts say Michigan is at least in the top 3 for. I'm not sure why any of this is inappropriate or needs to be toned down.
I said it because I've seen very little evidence that we're in the lead or potentially in the lead.
Sue me, but this reminds me a little bit of EJ Levenberry. We got some good news, clung to it with all our might, told everyone else to STFU when they said he was going to FSU, and then remained convinced he would come here as soon as we came calling like a Bucknut to Dymonte Thomas.
...but that's just differing opinions.
IMO, that's OK in this case. I can make a very good arguement why Hand could be Blue, and you could make a very good arguement why this could be Levenberry 2.0.
I'm okay with that, it happens when you're talking about opinions.
But, I think both can be valid. It's not like we're talking about a player who doesn't have Michigan in the top 3.
Most people would agree that it's VT/Michigan right now. The level of one teams lead over the other can be discussed, but I would venture to say a vast majority thinks that right now it's between those two schools.
Hell, even if you think it's VT, I'm sure people think Michigan is a lot closer to Hand than say Rutgers or Stanford to Peppers...should Rutgers or Stanford stop talking about Peppers? If so, tell that to David Shaw and his cryptic tweets that are breaking NCAA rules if they could ever be proven.
So I presume youll be quite surprised when Hand commits with Peppers, or soon after?
I don't really care what jerseyblue posts as lond as that picture shows up. Is she from Old Jersey maybe?
Edit - posted in wrong place because I am old
Not sure if I should have started a new thread for this, but Devin posted a video that indicates that Blake Countess' rehab is coming alon swimmingly.
Probably my favorite player on each side of the ball. Glad they're having a good time this summer. STAY HEALTHY GUYS!!!
National Championship Game Bound.
Fitz is looking ready for the season too. And Gallon has a bell?
Mike Farrell says Jabrill is a Michigan lock right now, and he's likely not visiting a serious threat to us, so yeah. He's an asshat, but he's obnoxiously ALWAYS right.
...we were to land Peppers AND Hand...would that be the highest rated pair of recruits to committ to Michigan in the same class...ever?
At least since they started keeping track of it.
But a long way between now and February. We thought the same about Morris and Thomas for awhile.
If we land both, I couldn't care less about much else. Both are big time players. PERIOD.
Question for the recruiting gurus, scouts, etc.
How does Peppers compare to Hargraves and Fuller from this year?
How does Hand compare to the top DEs of recent years?
Not a guru, but from what I've read Peppers is probably above Hargreaves and Fuller and some think the best DB in many years.
It's not possible to have a higher ranked combo, so yes.
What are their rankings on the "Big 4" sites?
Since they're #1 and #2 on rivals. Hard to do much better than that
(plus #1 and #8 on the 247 composite)
Fournette is #1 in the 247 composite. Hand and Peppers are #2 and #3, respectively. Still, not much room for improvement.
David Shaw was right. Peppers really is satisfied with being 2nd best. Do not want.
/s (just in case)
Henson and Fargas were in the same class, right? And DT? Those guys were the #1 QB, RB and WR in that class, but I'm not sure where they were overall.
It really depends on how they end up landing when the recruit rankings end towords the end of high school football season this year, but, pretty much, yes. It would be epic
but wasn't sure about the time. I've already set the DVR for 5:15 (just in case).
I'm not being negative on Rich Rod because he recruited the sleepers that fit his system the best. Yet, I do remember becoming a little frustrated because Michigan was not really being considered by any of the top 100 players. Now days Hoke and company have gather the interest of players not only in the top 100, but in the top 10. It's really exciting to have Michigan in the conversation for some of the most elite athlete in the nation.
Rich Rod who?
...I wish it were that easy.
Oh well, we're back, this is Michigan. MBB and FB are top 10 and closing in on top 5 programs in the country.
I remember feeling the same. Everyone takes some under the radar, "this guy has amazing potential" guys but I remember most every guy Rich got was a 3* or a 3*/4* tweener guy. Nice to be pulling in top guys again