Great to see that we have two great leaders coming in, especially since they're our best recruit and QB.
Any news on Mason Cole?
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Great to see that we have two great leaders coming in, especially since they're our best recruit and QB.
Any news on Mason Cole?
Here is what I've seen on Mason.
Mason Cole and Isaiah Wynn have been the best two OL on the East for me so far. Both really good. #ArmyBowl
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Good stuff, thanks for posting. I don't know why, but I won't feel confident in Peppers to Michigan until after signing day.
I wouldn't worry too much as he just re-confirmed twice after the bowl game that he isn't going anywhere. Him and Speight are great friends now and have been talking smack all week about when they'll be in Michigan.
I think it will help them bond even more. I am curious how the teams are picked. I think this is a great opportunity and it sounds like the Michigan name will be prominent during the game. That can't hurt.
One team is all the players with the most nitro, the other with the most highlight
That's awesome. Gotta think Speight can finally get his 4th star now. I think it was Scout that said before he even played his senior season that he probably wouldn't move up in the rankings, which I thought was BS. This is by far the most excited I've been to watch one of these games. Our boys will actually be featured and getting coverage.
playing in the other all star games? Army All American game?
Mason Cole is playing in the Army game.
Winovich and Lawrence Marshall are in the offense-defense bowl. Mason Cole in the Army bowl. Drake Harris, Wangler, Ferns, Speight, Peppers, and Mone are in he UA All-Star game. That is all that I know of off the top of my head.
Bushell-Beatty is in the UA game, too.
Thanks, I kept feeling like I left someone out. Sure enough I left out one of the most obvious guys.
I appreciate it. . .
At least a couple of dudes are a few inches taller/shorter than their listed heights.
I thought something looked funny, anyway. Here's what I've seen online:
It's also possible that they're not all on the same surface.
They are on different surfaces somewhat, but this is probably more realistic:
Why would that be more realistic? I don't think Mone is that short.
If you look at the pic, I don't think there is any way that Mone is only 2" shorter than Speight. But he could very well be closer to 6'4" than he is 6'2".
no way is Mone within 2" of Speight. Also: pad level man, pad level.
to start up the New Year of 2014 (not to be confused with 2013...)
Did Harris travel to the game, I know he wasn't participating due to injury?
I just noticed that he wasn't in the picture. I looked and he didn't make it to the practices.
Thanks for the round up.
I've heard a lot of reports spread out but it is nice to see them in an organized way like this. So thanks you for posting!
I think the defense will be much improved next year with Peppers and Mone being big contributors, along with Pipkins coming back.
So based on 2 freshman who have never played a college game (1 being a lineman, who will be playing against a lot of guys 3 years older tha him) and a returning DT who is coming off an ACL you have great hope ?
Not picking on you but I wouldnt list these as criteria for hope. I thought Henry was our best "young" lineman and he was a RS fresh, not a true one. It is asking a lot for any true freshman to make an impact on either line... a lot. I am not counting on anything out of Mone or any linemen next year.
As for Peppers I hope he is the next Charles but the Dymonte Thomas experiment should show us not to expect the world from a freshman... yes he was "only" top 100 but he was extremely touted and barely saw the field. I expect Peppers to play and he is a beast of a different stripe I assume but still... he will be a true freshman nickel or corner.
Based on those last 2 games we are going to need to seee a lot of improvement just to be decent all around. I know the defense played better earlier in the year but it mostly broke in November late in games when it needed to stop teams.
If you want to have reasons for optimisim it should be mostly focused on players already on the team rather than great hope for the "rivals 4 stars" saving us. Players in the system who will take a 2nd year leap for example. To that end I am hoping these 5 players take large steps next year
Obviously Pipkins doing something and Peppers contributing will be nice. But talking about much improve defense due to freshman and a guy who has a major injury is creating a low probability world IMO. I also hope Ferns will have an impact later in the year like Gedeon did this year but again I am not putting hope in freshman - in my perfect world we redshirt all but 4-5 freshman a year go forward so we have a bad ass group of 5th year seniors year in and year out.
Name 5 freshman you've seen and I might be able to give you examples of why. Some guys just have big playmaking ability when they come in to college and they can't be kept on the bench. To be honest, Michigan hasn't recruited one of those guys for a while. Magnus even said before Green and Smith got here that they are the kind of running backs that need good lineman up front to do well. Some running backs can make something out of nothing, other guys are pounding running backs who need some help up front.
Peppers is one of those guys that can come right in and make a difference. Harris is a guy who is lauded with big playmaking ability, though he's been injured. If he can get healthy, you may see him have a pretty decent impact. Canteen with his routes, hands, and crazy legs can probably be an immediate impact guy. Butt came in and was arguably a top 3 freshman tight end in the entire country. That is making an impact in my book.
Denard was one of those guys who just had "it." They have the big playmaking ability. DeSean Jackson was one of those guys, Sammy Watkins was one of those guys. The thing is there's a difference between a very good player and a playmaker with the ability of one of those guys. Damien Harris is a guy who looks like he could have big playmaking ability and he'll have a much more veteran line to run behind.
The problem is you see a few guys have big impacts and then that's all the media talks about because they're freshman. Then everyone expects every freshman who is decently highly rated to come in and be the same way. The thing is most of these big impact guys were top 10 in their class. Clowney, Winston, Dorial-Green Beckham, Steffon Diggs, Nelson Agholor, Braxton Miller, James Wilder Jr, Isaiah Crowell, etc.
All of these guys have the same thing in common, being top 3 in their positions and all being 5 star elite guys. Michigan has had some great classes recently but they've only had two 5 stars I can think of other than lineman. Derrick Green and Dymonte Thomas. As you notice, none of those positions are safety that I listed.
And like I said, Magnus warned that Green was one of those running backs that need good blocking to get going. What I also noted was dual-threat QBs are much more likely to make an impact early for whatever reason. Michigan hasn't had one of those recruited since Gardner, and he had to wait for Denard. But honestly, throw out some names and I'll see if I can try and explain it.
I'll say this, I don't know of any 5* freshman offensive lineman to make an impact, so Kalis gets a pass. Lineman don't come in their first year and make an impact. On the defensive side of the ball Michigan got a 5 star DL in Pipkins. He came in and already had a good starter in front of him. But he was contributing before he got injured.
Mario Edwards Jr, Noah Spence, Jaylon Smith, Joey Bosa, Ronald Darby, Shaq Thompson. Should I go on?
Joey Bosa was a 5* top of his class recruit. Again, Michigan has only had two guys ranked as high as most of the guys you are all listing. One is Peppers right now. The other was Green. I've discussed Green. Thomas is the next highest rated and he played linebacker in high school. So he needed work on coverage skills.
Noah Spence was top 3 at his position and a 5*. He played pass rusher in high school and was considered one of the best pass rushers in the state in a long time. Mario Edwards Jr. 5* who was top 3 overall in his class. Number one in a great state for football and number one at his position.
Jaylon Smith top 3 overall in his class. Number one in his state. 5*. Number one at his position. Ronald Darby 4*, 2nd in his position, 2nd in his state. Freak athlete. Shaq Thompson 5*, best in state, best in position, number 4 overall nationally.
Do you guys read what I write? Not to be a jerk, but I clearly pointed out that most everyone who makes a huge impact was a 5* top 5 nationally in their class. And then you make a list of 5* top 5 nationally guys? Again, I will repeat it, Michigan has only gotten 2 of those guys in 5+ years. Peppers and Green. Thomas was a 5 star to one site, he played a different position in high school than he does in college, and he was barely a 5*. Everyone you listed wasn't barely a 5*. They were top 5 nationally and everyone knew coming in that they would have an impact.
As I pointed out below, to make matters worse, half the guys he listed didn't even have impactful freshman seasons anyway.
Spence was a sophmore this year. As a freshman he had 12 tackles and 1 sack. Edwards was a sophmore this year. As a freshman he had 17 tackles and 1.5 sacks. Darby was a sophmore this year. He had all of 12 tackles, 2 INT's and 3 PBU's. As a freshman he had 22 tackles, 8 PBU's and 0 INT's. Jaylon Smith had a decent freshman year with 67 tackles, 6.5 TFL's, and an INT, but I wouldn't say it was spectacular by any means. Shaq Thompson was a sophmore this year. He actually did have a good freshman year at safety.
Out of that entire group you named, Only Bosa and Thompson had truly impressive freshman seasons. Smith was decent. Edwards, Spence and Darby didn't do much of anything.
Don't bring facts into this! Every Michigan freshman should be an All-American and half should be on Heisman ballots.
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If Peppers comes in and has the same impact as Hargreaves had at Florida i'd be more than happy. 3 int's 11 PBU for a true freshman is pretty good.
VIII was the 2nd overall rated player in his class. Again, I clearly pointed out that most of these guys are top 10 guys in their classes. Only Green was a top 10 overall guy in his class. VIII was a 5 star in one of the best states for football recruits. He had way more hype than anyone Michigan has had in 10 years, besides now Peppers. So there's my point, again the guys who make these huge impacts are usually very high up there.
I believe Ethan Pocic, whose offer Hoke pulled when we filled up and who was high on Michigan, started some games this year at center for LSU as a true freshman. I also believe he had never played the center spot before reporting to LSU.
He started one game. Against Furman. And yes, he never played center before getting to LSU.
As Magnus pointed out, he started one game against a terrible team. Just because he started doesn't mean he played very well. Also starting one game out of neccessity when the guy in front of you couldn't play is a whole lot different than making an impact. Shane started a game this year too as a true freshman, so I guess we can chalk him up as an impact player right?
You mean like Jake Butt?
It might not be a fair comparison as Dymonte played LB and RB in HS and didn't/doesn't have strong coverage skills yet, while Jabrill played various DB positions. (less CB it seems from the highlights as they wanted to let him roam the field)
If Lewis and Stribling can see the field as Frosh, I think that a bigger, better built, and more athletic Peppers should see even more time than they did. If the hole is big enough at Safety maybe you roll the dice with him there. That kid we lost to USC last year was their starting S by at least mid-season and what little I watched of USC I don't recall noticing him - which probably is pretty good for a True Frosh safety. Peppers' future is at CB but we need to find any way to get him on the field ASAP if he earns it.
Well alum96, I only named two true freshmen and one junior (Pipkins), who by the way saw a fair amount of playing time as a true freshman even with Will Campbell still here.
Two other names I didnt mention that Im looking forward to seeing are Hurst Jr. and Poggi. I should have because I believe the DL will be much better next year, and combining that with Countess and Peppers at the corners, I think this defense will be much improved. Word was, the coaches were very happy with Poggi and Hurst in bowl practices, so that gives me hope. Call me naive.
Considering how inept our OL is, by what standard are they judging the DLs?
These posts are inspiring... I just wish I was really confident that the talent will be developed in order to win.
Speight has been a favorite of mine for a while now, and I really think he has a great head on his shoulders. I'm happy as hell that he has emerged as one of the leaders of this class.
Agreed. I appreciate the reports but until our guys are out there making plays to slow down Spartans or Buckeyes it is just stuff to talk about. Stribling got almost no hype from these games (doubt he ever got invited to one!) and until they seemed to go away from him late in the year looked like the most promising secondary guy of the young dudes. Willie Henry didnt get much hype at these games (did he even get invited? doubt it) and was the best young guy I saw this year on the DL. Pipkins got all types of hype and frankly I have not seen that much from him yet. Etc.
Once I see results on the field of play in an actual college game versus a non MAC team on a consistent basis I will be a buyer. A guy like Butt for example I can see already has the goods. You could see something in Ross in 2012. Blake in 2011. Other guys who I wont name have had a lot of hype but its either too early or they just havent done it yet.
The emo gets tiring after a while.
I appreciate the reports but until our guys are out there making plays to slow down Spartans or Buckeyes it is just stuff to talk about.
What else is there now but to talk? We have nothing but to talk. Signing day is the new Michigan Bowl Game at least for another few months until I have the Dave Brandon sponsored opportunity to pay for the seasons, the cushions and the related fees for my section and think about going to the Spring game.
OP, I appreciate the reports because as a fanbase we need the reports. Those of us who buy the tickets, who watch the team on tv, who follow the blog, who complain about the offense, defense or special teams in posts...we need the assurance that more talent is coming, that great players (potentially) are showing up and that character players (like Speight and particularly Mone) are arriving.
Again, thanks, OP.
You are my least favorite type of Michigan fan.
I know everyone was down on the staff and the team this year, but looking back on the year we have a lot of talented young guys.. in the next few years i think we are gonna really have a lot of great players on both sides of the ball
during the Under Armour skills competition today. I particularly respect the way he answered the Charles Woodson comparison question. http://youtu.be/nWFKhNkXaDo
I respect that too and I also couldn't help but notice just how jacked he looks in that interview.
for competition and maximizing his talent. His moxie will be a major benefit to UM - maybe more than his physical skills.
Suspect the older guys better get ready for him to challenge them for playing time and their will to succeed. He won't accept mediocrity from team mates.That trait is exactly the same as Charles.
I don't think Mone will come in and dominate early, but he could contribute early. Peppers however could be a freshman sensation like Jameis Winston.
IF, and it's a very big IF, Al is savvy enough about the way he incorporates Jabrill into the offense. Most of the other freshmen sensations you allude to have been quarterbacks (like you said Winston, also Johnny football), so I'm just hoping Borges conjures up something that is half intelligient when it comes to getting Peppers the football.
/folds hands to pray
Edit: And those qb's were redshirt freshmen, they had an entire year to learn the system.
Yeah...it's tough for freshman defensive tackles to come in and dominate, and I don't think Mone should seriously be discussed in that manner, anyway. There are some really dominant defensive tackles who struggle as freshmen, and Mone has been very good but not dominant.
Were both redshirt freshman.
I like speight and think he will compete right away with Morris. Love speights size and subtle mobility, he will be a great one IMO.
...because Speight will have a redshirt year.
If we were talking about August 1...Shane is the clear winner.
Gray, Nickelodeon slime green, and red? Ok Under Armour, my retinas have had enough
Thanks for sharing this. It is encouraging to know that we not only have several recruits playing in the UA game (as well as Cole being in the Army game), but some of them are being placed in a position of leading the team that they are on. I rather like that they get the opportunity to know each other better through these game before they arrive on campus - it seems like developing those relationships early should be beneficial.
I am really excited about this incoming class, and it will be fun to see them compete in this game. This collection of talent isn't quite Div.1 competition, but it's a window for these guys to see how much better you have to be just to compete at the next level.
You mean Joe Bolden the sophomore and Derrick Green the true freshman? How can you possibly judge the coaches on "player development" based on guys that have been in the program less than 18 months? Wait until these guys have had 3+ years and then comment on their development - otherwise you are just showing your own ignorance.
Eh...Joe Bolden is a pretty darn good sophomore linebacker. And I think he's just getting started.
for the game?
Not on ESPN3 unfortunately