They pick up Shane Jones and Damion Terry.
further adventures in Jed York being unsuited for his position
is a 4-star on some services.
So are Conley and Smith, and they seem to be considered 4 stars if not 4 star type material to many on this board.
Good for them. Jones looks like a nice pick up.
He's a 4 star on rivals, but i said he was a 3 star because more services have him at that.
Since Dantonio is recruiting intergalactically and all.
Jones is no Gedeon, but he is a pretty good player.
Also no McCray, Ross, RJS, or Bolden if we're judging by rankings, and since he also doesn't have a Mattison I think I will judge that way. UM=LBU in the decade of Hoke.
Not to mention we stay at #1 for OLine as well.
Just my opinion of course but the MSU staff does do a solid job developing defenders, especially in the front seven. They develop them to be hateful monsters sometimes, but almost always into solid players if the kids can stay away from beating engineers in the offseason.
None of those guys have produced anything yet... puts the team a long way from being "LBU".
And Mattison is 0-1 so far against Dantonio and Narduzzi so I'd lay low on the one for awhile.
He's right, wait a few years before calling us LBU. QBU and WRU is good enough for right now. I certainly believe we will be, but these players have to make a career in the next level.
Getting tired of the Position U thing? It seems like every school that gets a few decent players at a position starts calling itself Position U. To be even close to calling yourself that, you need sustained success over a long period of time like PSU had with LBs and Miami had with RBs. Michigan, at one time, probably could have been called something like QB U, but not really at this point (won't have a QB drafted for 5 straight seasons, and when Michigan does he most likely won't stay at QB). Also, USC probably took that title recently if any school should have it (though I don't think any school should have it, because I find the whole thing moderately annoying).
You're a tool. Go back to MLive
I just farted.
Austin Jackson just homer'd.
Can we get an update on the status of Spartan's punter Mike Sadler? I mean, I'm not interested in Spartan football at all, like not one bit, but I just want a quick update on a significant part of their game. Again, not at all preoccupied with State, at all. Unless someone knows something that might impact the game next year and/or recruiting, then they should say it. But I'm really NOT interested in Michigan State football, don't care one little bit at all....
I feel like this is a bit much. State getting a new QB and a LB with a Michigan offer(obviously not commitable anymore but still) is solid info. State gets a dual-threat QB, which is interesting since they haven't had one before and their fans talk smack about teams who do.
only knock dual threat QB's when their big brother needs them
then don't click on any State related threads and then comment on how you are not interested in State related threads?
Um, I think that was his point... unless I'm giving him too much credit for satirizing people who complain about these threads?
That is good news for Sparty
Don't see why this is relevant, but none the less, if you insist upon bringing it up, atleast give the kid credit. Jones has some big time offers, and seemed to be on the rise before his commitment. I have watched a TON of film on the kid, as the varsity squad I coach for is traveling down to Cincy to face Moeller in Week 2. If there is any rhyme or reason to the "star" system, this kid is a 4 star. From a coaches standpoint, the kid is all over the film. OT?
Not OT. It's OG Bobby Johnson.
How is it OT if it is our rival and a fellow Big Ten member?
Yes they are.
Read some nice comments on RCMB earlier, but my favorite was something along the lines of... " Coach D is turning Cincinnati Moeller into a Cass Tech.. except the players actually pan out!!!1!1!! lolz!1!" Oh Sparty..
Well, the only Cass Tech player in recent memory who didn't pan out was BooBoo. Teric Jones could qualify, but he wasn't rated very highly, and was simply passed by guys who were better (Fitz and Smith, mostly).
We'll have two Cass Tech starters this fall. Based on normal "pan out" percentages, that's solid.
Oh BooBoo, oh Teric, oh Will Campbell..
In the recent past, there have been four Cass Tech guys at Michigan, not counting guys like Delonte Hollowell and the current class since they've either played one year or no years at Michigan. Those guys are Boubicar Cissoko, Teric Jones, Thomas Gordon and Will Campbell.
BooBoo is a bust, but not a talent bust, that was a behavioral thing. Since none of the other CT guys have had behavioral problems, that's just something that happens. From a talent standpoint, though, he played a lot his first two years on campus, not amazingly well, but not bad for an underclassman.
Teric Jones is a bust? He was a generic 3-star, one of the lowest rated players in his class, and left because he wasn't seeing the field and had injury issues. Not every guy you recruit is going to be a star, especially the lower rated guys in a class. Teric Jones was in the same class with Fitz Toussaint and Vincent Smith. Those two ended up being good-to-great running backs, and Teric Jones was the odd man out.
Don't call Will Campbell a bust. He'll be a starter this fall. He might not be the 5-star world beater we all thought, but any guy who plays all four years and becomes a starter is not a bust. Do you wish you would have used one of your scholarships in that class on him? Then he's not a bust.
Plus Thomas Gordon, who will be a three year starter by the time he leaves. But honestly, the bulk of the Cass Tech talent isn't even here yet, so you're really jumping the gun. The aggregate ratings of those four don't touch the Richardson, RJS, Dawson, Lewis group we have coming over the next couple years.
Boo Boo wouldn't have been a "bust" at Michigan State. Instead, he would be another prould member of the "Jumpsuit Orange to Green and White" program that has been so successful in East Lansing.
Mark Dantonio would be gushing over what a "great kid" he is, and how he "deserves a second second second chance."
The fourth or fifth best program in the cinci region. They are good, but they don't win state titles and have only had a few high caliber players.
also, Gerry Faust.
baseball has better, with Larkin (UM), griffey and the bell family.
Jones was one of the LB's we turned away along with O'Daniel and Anzalone. Posters on RCMB are apparently ignoring this though, and calling it a recruiting win over Hoke, even though we cancelled a visit of his over a month ago.
And Terry is a 3 star on 24/7 but unranked on Rivals and Scout, so he's not even a consensus 3 star at this point.
It is still early in the evaluation process. Plenty of time for him to move up or down in the ratings.
Holy Triple Post Batman
Holy Triple Post Batman (again)
These types of posts are going to vastly outnumber our hello posts for the next 8-10 months. The longer it goes on the more some 5 star mafia hooligans are likely to come out of the woodwork with their fearmongering, so I say we include a link to our Big10 recruiting rankings in all such posts, just to remind ourselves that this is Michigan fergodsakes, and as such we're already working on scouting 2017.
I don't know anything about that QB, but Shane Jones seems legit. I don't know how accurate it is (I would assume fairly accurate), but his offer list is quite impressive. Nebraska, Oklahoma, PSU, TAMU. It shows a Michigan offer too, but I highly doubt that. Either way, seems like a solid pick-up.
The QB, OTOH, looks very meh.
But isn't aTm a better abbreviation for Texas a&m than tamu? That is what is says and their helmets, after all .
There's a difference between an abbreviation and a logo. State's logo is a big S, but we still refer to them as MSU. When scores scroll at the bottom of the screen, TAMU is used.
Use whatever you want, but just because aTm is creative, doesn't. Make it better. In fact, in text it's a little confusing
We can hate on Dantonio all we want, but the guy has been able to take some so-so recruiting classes and put together pretty solid teams. Maybe we should wait until we beat them to trash their recruiting ability.
Can't forget history, even if it doesn't suit you. And trust me, those Michigan players haven't forgotten the last four years. Gird your loins, Sparty.
Legitimately. As much as Sparty hates to hear this, the bottom line is it's true. They try and retort that when they lost 6 in a row it was because of their shitty coach, which, fine, but shitty coaching doesn't explain away the all time record. It does, however, along with a host of other factors, explain the current streak. Let's look at the years.
2008 - there's no debate that we were terrible. We were Indiana bad. Do you really want credit for beating Indiana? Probably, because you're State, so go ahead and take it.
2009 - two freshman QBs, still adjusting to a completely new system, etc. Losing record, no bowl.
2010. The defense, goodness gracious.
2011. Clearly the most legitimate win. Trash tornado, crazy Borges, bad Denard, and, to be fair, a good MSU team.
What's crazy is that they think they're world beaters under Dantonio the last 2 years. Legit wins:
2010 - Wisky, ND (final play but who are we to judge that), kinda PSU, Mich (sans defense).
2011 - OSU (in the ugliest football game ever played.), Mich (under new staff, which no coach has ever from eitehr has beaten the other in his first year), Wisky, Georgia.
Now, losses to good teams in those years:
2010 - Iowa thumping, Alabama hahahahahaha woodshed sodomization.
2011 - ND, Nebraska, Wisky.
So before we go heralding Mark Dantonio as this magician with subpar classes, realize that the only wins against better recruiting teams are '10 ND, '10 PSU, '10 Mich, '11 OSU, '11 Mich, '11 Georgia.
ND is easily explainable away given that mess in South Bend recently. OSU '11 is clearly explicable.
Sparty fans like to say "well Rich Rod had great classes and we kicked his ass," which completely misses the point. When adjusting systems, it clearly takes time. Great recruiting classes aren't going to contribute right away. And Lloyd's classes from before Rich Rod arrived were clearly mismatched for what RR needed.
The bottom line is that Mark Dantonio is Kirk Ferentz. Good coach, liked by a program who is clearly on a level well below elite. Some success, but will always be unable to take the next step. Partly because of a lack of program resources and tradition, and partly, I have to assume, because he is an unlikeable prick who spends more time hating Michigan than he does anything else in his life.
I would like to beat Sparty this year, badly, but I understand the OL and DL garbage Brady Hoke was given. I don't have a single ounce of doubt that the future matchups between our two schools will turn out they way they always have, heavily in favor of Michigan.
This is rambling, awful, and riddled with errors and inconsistencies, but the point stands. Within a couple years, we'll be far ahead of them again.
Ok, remind me to bump this thread after UM plays Alabama this fall. The team MSU played in their bowl game had seven NFL draft picks, including a couple of first rounds. It was a complete mismatch, kinda like the woodshed sodomization dished out to UM by Miss State that year...
And you're wrong to say "it takes time". Dantonio took that horrid, absolutely embarrassing John L defense and turned them around in one season, from 4-8 to 7-5 and a respectable (although not impressive) defense. In one season, he plugged in starts who had been previously riding the bench and went to a bowl game. So it doesn't always take time. Like it or not, it's similar to what Hoke did in his first year. Took a bunch of kids that didn't fit and worked his magic. You're right, UM has almost always outrecruited MSU so respect the rivalry to an extent and give Dantonio credit for what he accompished with AT BEST fair players and recruits.
What does "bump this thread" mean? Did I say Alabama was a bad team or even not elite? Did I say Michigan would beat Alabama this year? All I know is that was legitimately the largest gap in talent and athleticism I've possible ever seen between two BCS conference teams. I'm not kidding or serving up hyperbole, I was afraid for the safety of MSU players.
Is anyone ignoring that Michigan got beaten down by Miss St.? No. That loss was the straw that broke the camels back and got RR fired. Meanwhile, Dantonio was lauded as the savior and greatest coach in the world for that season by your fanbase at large. Did they have different seasons? Absolutely. But my point ws simply that the whole "look Dantonio beats all these great teams with less talent" thing is a little overblown when you really examine the results. Like I said, he's a good coach, but the ceiling is clear.
And let me say I have, by no means, puffed my chest and celebrated this season. Really, I think you won't find a lot of fans around here who are real fired up about last year. Sure we're happy that we won a BCS game (how's that quest going for your squad?) but we understand the schedule, breaks, and way things shook out. Am I glad Michigan beat OSU and ND? Sure.
Respect the rivalry? I start losing respect for opponents when I witness players with intent to injure and hear people in your Soviet era concrete parking garage stadium scream "rip his head off" about Denard and 40 year old men try to fight me in front of their 6 year old kids because I cheer when Michigan scores a touchdown. Besides, I acknowledge that Dantonio is a good coach.
I just think that it's hilarious for State fans to assume that because they were able to beat Michigan the last 4 years with classes lower rated (under completely different circumstances), that it's going to continue to be that way. State fans should be acknowledging the domination Hoke has done in recruiting, especially in the Midwest, especially in head-to-head battles with Dantonio's, and especially the style of player Dantonio wants.
You'll have to forgive me, arguments with rivals get me a little heated sometimes. Appreciate the reasonable contributions you're making. My "acknowledging" was just in response to the above poster's want for Mich fans to acknowledgeg what Dantonio does, which I thought I had. FWIW, I also have many friends with MSU degrees, it's just some fans that I deal with that are unbearable, as I think everyone would acknowledge also applies to some M fans unfortunately.