Spartans add pair of 3 star recruits

So are Conley and Smith, and they seem to be considered 4 stars if not 4 star type material to many on this board.

Not to mention we stay at #1 for OLine as well.

Just my opinion of course but the MSU staff does do a solid job developing defenders, especially in the front seven. They develop them to be hateful monsters sometimes, but almost always into solid players if the kids can stay away from beating engineers in the offseason.

only knock dual threat QB's when their big brother needs them

Um, I think that was his point... unless I'm giving him too much credit for satirizing people who complain about these threads?

In the recent past, there have been four Cass Tech guys at Michigan, not counting guys like Delonte Hollowell and the current class since they've either played one year or no years at Michigan.  Those guys are Boubicar Cissoko, Teric Jones, Thomas Gordon and Will Campbell. 

BooBoo is a bust, but not a talent bust, that was a behavioral thing.  Since none of the other CT guys have had behavioral problems, that's just something that happens.  From a talent standpoint, though, he played a lot his first two years on campus, not amazingly well, but not bad for an underclassman. 

Teric Jones is a bust?  He was a generic 3-star, one of the lowest rated players in his class, and left because he wasn't seeing the field and had injury issues.  Not every guy you recruit is going to be a star, especially the lower rated guys in a class.  Teric Jones was in the same class with Fitz Toussaint and Vincent Smith.  Those two ended up being good-to-great running backs, and Teric Jones was the odd man out. 

Don't call Will Campbell a bust.  He'll be a starter this fall.  He might not be the 5-star world beater we all thought, but any guy who plays all four years and becomes a starter is not a bust.  Do you wish you would have used one of your scholarships in that class on him?  Then he's not a bust. 

Plus Thomas Gordon, who will be a three year starter by the time he leaves.  But honestly, the bulk of the Cass Tech talent isn't even here yet, so you're really jumping the gun.  The aggregate ratings of those four don't touch the Richardson, RJS, Dawson, Lewis group we have coming over the next couple years. 

• Doug Williams – Lexington All-American and professional football NFL Houston Oilers offensive tackle
• Bob Crable (1978) – Notre Dame All-American and professional football linebacker
• Russ Huesman – head college football coach for the Chattanooga Mocs
• Greg Jones – linebacker, New York Giants; All-American at Michigan State; Super Bowl XLVI champion
• Mark Kamphaus – Arena Football League quarterback, Albany Firebirds
• Michael Muñoz – college football offensive lineman; son of Anthony Muñoz
• Rob Murphy – 2 time All-American, Ohio State professional football offensive lineman, NFL- 6 years CFL 6 years currently with Toronto Argonauts
• Doug Rosfeld – former University of Cincinnati and NFL football player for the Cleveland Browns; now a history teacher at Moeller^[23][24][25]
• Matt Tennant – 2010 5th-round pick of the New Orleans Saints out of Boston College
• Tom Waddle – professional football player for the Chicago Bears. Radio personality on ESPN 1000 AM in Chicago
• Greg Hudson — Assistant Defensive Coordinator and Linebackers Coach — Florida State University
• Rico Murray - Undrafted free agent signee by the Cincinnati Bengals.

also, Gerry Faust.

baseball has better, with Larkin (UM), griffey and the bell family.

There's a difference between an abbreviation and a logo. State's logo is a big S, but we still refer to them as MSU. When scores scroll at the bottom of the screen, TAMU is used.

Use whatever you want, but just because aTm is creative, doesn't. Make it better. In fact, in text it's a little confusing

Legitimately.  As much as Sparty hates to hear this, the bottom line is it's true.  They try and retort that when they lost 6 in a row it was because of their shitty coach, which, fine, but shitty coaching doesn't explain away the all time record.  It does, however, along with a host of other factors, explain the current streak.  Let's look at the years.

2008 - there's no debate that we were terrible.  We were Indiana bad.  Do you really want credit for beating Indiana? Probably, because you're State, so go ahead and take it.

2009 - two freshman QBs, still adjusting to a completely new system, etc. Losing record, no bowl.

2010.  The defense, goodness gracious.  

2011.  Clearly the most legitimate win.  Trash tornado, crazy Borges, bad Denard, and, to be fair, a good MSU team.

What's crazy is that they think they're world beaters under Dantonio the last 2 years.  Legit wins:

2010 - Wisky, ND (final play but who are we to judge that), kinda PSU, Mich (sans defense).

2011 - OSU (in the ugliest football game ever played.), Mich (under new staff, which no coach has ever from eitehr has beaten the other in his first year), Wisky, Georgia.

Now, losses to good teams in those years:

2010 - Iowa thumping, Alabama hahahahahaha woodshed sodomization.  

2011 - ND, Nebraska, Wisky.  

So before we go heralding Mark Dantonio as this magician with subpar classes, realize that the only wins against better recruiting teams are '10 ND, '10 PSU, '10 Mich, '11 OSU, '11 Mich, '11 Georgia.  

ND is easily explainable away given that mess in South Bend recently.  OSU '11 is clearly explicable.  

Sparty fans like to say "well Rich Rod had great classes and we kicked his ass," which completely misses the point.  When adjusting systems, it clearly takes time.  Great recruiting classes aren't going to contribute right away.  And Lloyd's classes from before Rich Rod arrived were clearly mismatched for what RR needed.  

The bottom line is that Mark Dantonio is Kirk Ferentz.  Good coach, liked by a program who is clearly on a level well below elite.  Some success, but will always be unable to take the next step.  Partly because of a lack of program resources and tradition, and partly, I have to assume, because he is an unlikeable prick who spends more time hating Michigan than he does anything else in his life.

I would like to beat Sparty this year, badly, but I understand the OL and DL garbage Brady Hoke was given.  I don't have a single ounce of doubt that the future matchups between our two schools will turn out they way they always have, heavily in favor of Michigan.  

This is rambling, awful, and riddled with errors and inconsistencies, but the point stands.  Within a couple years, we'll be far ahead of them again.