when I saw it. It was stupid but not a bid deal.
fair point that
when I saw it. It was stupid but not a bid deal.
people are way too uptight about the whole "OMG, don't acknowledge MSU or they might get the idea that they matter!" thing.
When I first saw it, I didn't like it, for all of the reasons you guys have mentioned.
But by this morning, my mind has changed. Sparty's entire raison d'etre (under Dantonio particularly) is to be a foil for Michigan. All they ever do it talk about Michigan; our sign guys did it for a specific reason, and they will go on to being normal Michigan fans (dismissive of State) tomorrow. This sign would not have existed in any other year, so it's not a case of our fans stooping to State's level.
It was a joke. In the estimation of most Michigan fans, so is Sparty (albeit a pretty good one lately).
Notice, no one is compelled to make signs about Ohio when we are playing a bowl game. We have too much respect for that program and for that rivalry. Not so in the case of State.
I thought the sign was stupid, and it would have been downright embarrassing if we had lost. Are we turning into Sparty?
bad choice to pull out that sign, it gives spartan's the wrong impression. I saw lots of facebook comments last night from my spartan friends about how the "tables have turned" and "you didn't see any michigan signs during MSU's bowl game"
Also some spartan's have already begun photoshopping the pic
I liked the sign when I first saw it. My only concern was that if Michigan lost the game, signs like that would be showing up at ever MSU/ UM game from now on. But Michigan won so I am fine with it.
Besides, there are numerous things that Michigan fans do at games that many people on this blog have considered classless. For example, many people hate the "you suck" chant, and from my understanding the hockey chants are not always family friendly.
It was one sign that given the situation with Cousins' comments made sense and was funny.
It's not about class. The problem with the sign is that it indicates we might be developing the same mentality that we ridicule Sparty for. This game had nothing to do with Sparty. So why even mention them?
I originally had this mentality as well; however, when you correlate it with all the bitching Cousins and the Spartans did as a direct result of us going to a BCS bowl and them not (and not just a general comment about State whining, though his would also be applicable to that) it seems more appropriate.
I believe that it is becoming the official University of Michigan position that beating MSU is a priority. End the OSU streak. Check. End the bowl drought. Check. Season sweep of Sparty in basketball. Check. What is left? Beat Dantonio and get rid of that clock.
..after reading the MSU players twitter posts bashing Michigan this morning, I tend to agree with the sign.
1) Michigan State was in no way involved with the game
2) Michigan State had already won their bowl game - Cousins' tears about the BCS selection were old news by last night
3) Michigan State had beaten us this year, for the fourth time in a row
4) Michigan State is not our primary rival
4a) Our primary rival would have been an infinitely more appropriate target for the sign - not only because they had plenty to cry about this year, but because they deserve the respect-hate shown by mocking them even when they're not involved with the game at hand
5) We're Michigan. We shouldn't give a shit what Michigan State is doing unless they're competing directly with us on the field. This sign was 100% pure Sparty, and I wouldn't mind if the dolts who made the sign transferred their allegiances to East Lansing immediately.
signs like this make us just as bad as sparty...Keep in mind, that's four people out of how many?? Michigan is still the classiest fan base by far.."The leaders and best" for a reason ...
MSU is constantly whining about how we're in a BCS bowl and they're not so why not play the game and rub it in a bit? I enjoy it more because I know it makes their blood boil.
And we should stop pretending we don't care about MSU because we do. The 5000 MSU threads since this year's MSU game has proven that
^ truth bomb ^
Until we beat them, I say we just keep on keepin on and let Sparty tag cars and hang signs at stadiums.
That was hands down one of the most glorious moments of the game.
Personally I didn't like the sign because it's precisely what Sparty/Ohio fans would do.
But then I started to view it for what it is - a grade school level response to the Spartan football players (and fans) who previously whined like little children about Michigan going to the Sugar Bowl while they "got a rock". As if Michigan has never received the shitty end of the stick when it comes to bowls, rankings, etc.
There was a time I actually rooted for MSU to win their games. But now things have changed.
It's a rivalry. We did a rivalry thing. Anyone who "doesn't care about Sparty" is plagued by a massive case of denial.
I am sure the sparty morons who spray paint cars have the same reasoning for thier thuggery....DOES NOT COMPUTE.
I thought it was funny, but not in the same way many of you think it's funny.
awful. You just elevated their program. But whatevs
maybe our fans kind of made us look bad with those signs, but at least we didn't have players tweeting after the game about their rival like Sparty players were last night.
During my years at Michigan I developed an understanding of the rivalry with MSU, with sentiments that have stayed with me in the subsequent 15 years... please tell me if I got it wrong...
As Michigan fans, we do believe there is a rivalry and like all rivalries, we care about it. Depending on who you talk to, it ranks as the 2nd or 3rd priority rivalry for us (mostly 3rd behind Ohio and ND). MSU fans hold this rivalry as their 1st priority. Since it is a lower priority rivalry with us, it gives Michigan fans the advantage of perspective and some degree of emotional separation (which we don't experience when it comes to Ohio). Recognizing this advantage, Michigan fans exploit it with hyperbole to MSU fans, claiming the rivalry doesn't matter or that we don't care (which is not fully true for most fans of Michigan... but certainly has some degree of truth to it as seen by comments from out of state posters). Like a big brother attempting to get under the skin of his little brother, we know the buttons to push and often get the reaction that reinforces our behavior... an emotional outburst. This is when MSU fans tend to "see red" and go on the attack with comments about Walmart Wolverines and pompous Michigan fans...etc. Like a big brother, satisfied with what we've done, we sit back and snicker proudly at the fact that the responses are silly, predictable and always good for cheering up a Michigan fan. In turn, the MSU fans' hate grows even more and the perspective that we are a bunch of arrogant jackwagons is only reinforced. Which leads back to the cycle of hyperbole/emotional outburst.
This has been my MO with MSU fans since my days at Michigan and I've seen this exact behavior in many a Michigan and MSU fan since that time. That said, the reason so much blood has boiled over Hart's "little brother" comment is because it is such a perfect metaphor for the rivalry. Unfortunately, it seems the past few years, little brother is all grown up and is exacting revenge by beating the crap out of big brother! But, big brother has started going back to the gym and all will be right again soon!
With regards to the sign... the rub seems to be that these students are not continuing the tradition, which is slightly annoying. However, they appear to be young in the ways of Michigan fandom and I for one welcome them to the ways of the Wolverine. They will learn in due time that there are expectations for how Michigan fans relate to MSU. They'll get it right. In the mean time, I admire the creativity and appreciate that these guys were having a good time in New Orleans (wishing I were there).
Is that about right? I welcome correction... certainly don't want to hang on to misunderstanding.
Michigan. After seeing/hearing so many green dudes who were rooting against Michigan last night, I'm over that. Their fans are on a level with tsio's fans.
Meh. I cringed a bit because we should really be focusing on the game and all that, but Kork opened himself up for this kind of stuff when he publicly made statements about Michigan, nearly 7 weeks after the Michigan game. You make comments like he made, you should expect some fan backlash.
On playing, rather than holding up a sign.
Coupons brought it on himself when he cried about MSU's bowl placement.
It's not a sign I would hold up at a game, but I laughed and nearly spit soda all over my living room when I saw it.
Sorry, but I loved the sign. LOVED it. All this "Sparty's not our rival" stuff is stupid. Yes, they are. No, they are not on the level of Ohio. Yes, they are our rival. Pretending otherwise is just dumb. The sign was creative, funny as hell, and I'll bet you anything that any Sparty who saw it had his blood pressure rise just a little bit. In that respect it was a rousing success. "Fairly" creative, hell, I thought it was outstanding. We know they're pissed about us going to a better bowl than them, why shouldn't we take the chance to twist the knife a little? It's not "stooping to their level." Badly spelled petty vandalism is their level. That's a Leaders and Best response right there if you ask me. It's fantastic.
I want to personally thank those young men for making that sign. It was funny and well thought out. I hope it stung Sparty land because quite frankly, that was our best response to them on the gridiron in the last four years
I laughed at it. It's not something that people should start doing regularly or anything, but MSU raised such a stink about us being in the game that a playful jab was acceptable.
I thought the sign was pretty stupid. MSU had nothing to do with the game, why bother bring it up?
Funny as hell!
My exact response was, "Oh shit. That is a dong punch.".
Come at me bro
I feel like we should lock the boards after anything involving MSU. This was only one guy, but after the Outback Bowl was horrible
So I was at an MBA night at a presitigious school. The speaker was saying how they draw some of the top talent from across the country. Then she started asking prospective students in the audience where they attended undergrad. The first student said Michigan State. The speaker looked suddenly disappointed as if it was an insult to her "prestigious school". Then she asked a second student who also said Michigan State. She was so upset that they weren't from a presitigious school that she just gave up the whole exercise.
That is my sparty story for the day.
Whether or not you think the sign was in good taste, I will defend the fans for trying to be funny. People need to give funny a chance.