I thought the Sparty sign flashed during the game was fairly creative.
I cringed. Felt Sparty like. More worried about them then the game at hand.
Same here. For all the people on this blog who say things like "we don't curr bout Spartah!" there seems to be a lot of people who care a lot about Sparty.
People who claim they dont care are either blind or delusional. Coming from the basketball side of things, until recently Izzo had had his foot on our throats for the better part of 15 years.
Nobody believes you. You might as well quit pretending.
you live and are from. I'm not from and don't live in Michigan and don't really care about Sparty. I'm sure it would be different if I was from/ lived in Michigan. I don't work with or see any Spartan fans, so it's asy not to care.
I would guess this is true for a vast majority of people from outside the state of Michigan.
I think Notre Dame is closer to Michigan State than to Ohio State in terms of how much we care about our opponents
When OSU or ND beat Michigan, their fans, generally speaking, act ike they've been there before. They offer some ribbing and move on. MSU fans? There is no moving on from anything when it comes to Michigan. Your players are still crying about some phantom BCS snub, which is fueling the fire of their mindless minions.
When you either grew up with Sparty fans or currently work and live with Sparty fans, you're sick of the bullshit they've been spewing the past month.
I don't blame those guys one bit for that sign. I'm sick of hearing about it from my MSU friends from home and I live 8 hours away from Michigan. MSU fans suck to be around.
as long as we're beating them. i care when we lose.
I agree - kind of bothered me. Just seemed petty and irrelevant. My guess is that it was a couple of drunk brosephs who thought it would be a hoot.
I didn't care for it.
I can't even accurately decribe what I felt when they cut to the sign. I hated it. I hated it in 100 different ways. If any of you four involved are reading this blog, please know that I hate you.
Making a sign about a team were not playing, a team that has beat us the last four years? and one that isn't even our primary rival? Thanks for making our fanbase look small and weak on a very national level.
Look like a sparty
They're obsessed with us. They have a hard-wired inferiority complex about all things U of M related. They measure their self-worth by comparing themselves to us. Let's not start returning the favor.
Because it was completely out of context. If we had actually been playing Sparty, it would have made sense and it would have been funny. We weren't even playing a game in the state of Michigan. It was cheap.
no other statement here has come closer to the feelings i had about those signs, than yours.
But if you didn't like that sign please reach down and make sure you still have testicles. Class is what RVB said in response to the Cousins comment. Fans are allowed to be rowdy/classless occasionally, especially if it gets you on TV.
because of a sign at a bowl game...you probably had traces of that before you saw the sign
That signage was pure awesome. Especially after Cousins crybaby ass comment.
Someone please call DeAnthony today so we have another reason to cheer.
So you would have us stoop to their level? Grow up.
I was also very disappointed in the sign. Wheres the class?
I was not really a fan. I love schadenfreude, but I prefer to enjoy with a quiet smile, and not rub it in. Plus, having not beat them in four years makes it a little hollow. Also, I kind of view MSU as my pet cat: sometimes she knocks shit over just to get attention. You have to ignore them, or it validates their stupid behavior.
I mean, I get that it could be seen as not having class or being Sparty like, but it's only because they thought they should have been in this specific bowl over us and said we didn't deserve it. Had state gone 8-4 or whatever and someone made a sign dissing them I would have thought it to be idiotic, but given the specific circumstances, I think its justified.
Some people on this board take themselves way too seriously. The sign was funny and relevant given all the crying Sparty did before and even during the game.
I thought the sign was pretty good.
everyone places such a premium on beating state, regardless of their winning we are still a far superior University in every regard. Why the football game determines this to some of you is baffling.....
no? Or any rival.
Ripping a sign you were holding.
Anyway, the sign made me titter, but then I realized that it was stooping to Sparty's level.
...of a sign by a Spartan fan.
Too bad it wasn't that - I'm glad I missed this sign during the broadcast. Why M fans would want to focus, even in jest, on a team that we're not even playing is small-time to me.
I was really upset when I saw that. We're at a BCS bowl, concentrate and enjoy that. It's a shame that our third rival has won forty percent of the games in the last decade but we'll take care of that in time.
Not a good way to act. Not particularly clever. Not something to be proud of.
Sign makes no sense in the context of the Sugar Bowl.
Those people involed in making that sign should not be allowed in michigan stadium ever again. If it was you, you are a loser!
Worry about us!
I thought it was humorous. Lighten up. Kirk Cousins (along with several Spartan players via twitter) used his opportunity on a National stage to disrespect Michigan and 4 Michigan fans were using their only chance on a National stage to give it right back. The main difference: 4 Michigan fans versus a 5 year full ride scholarship player who is supposedly the posterboard for integrity at MSU- ha! We won. Stop focusing on insipid things that really do not matter. kids will be kids. right Kirk?
At first I was like hurr SpartyLOL.
Then I was like wow isn't that petty as hell.
Then I was like it'd be funnier if MSU hadn't actually won their bowl game this year.
Then I was like oh crap, we might not even win our own bowl game.
But I thought it was kinda clever. But you have to think audience. Sure, well informed fans knew of Spartan comments. But that's was probably 5% of the people watching the game.
It was just confusing to most people including my father -in-law grad who asked me what that was about.
Sure, I care about MSU when I'm playing them or recruiting against them. But not IN- GAME vs another team. This is like the old MSU joke they would rather seem Michigan lose than win themselves.
The sign was funny but the Sugar Bowl was not the place to flaunt it, especially in the middle of a tight game. I know I didn't need another hypocratic "pride comes before the fall" coming from the mouth of Dantonio in case our luck ran out, which thankfully it didn't.
Translate that, 82!
That sign was just those four botards channeling their inner sparty.
I have to say I was very dissapointed when I saw that. Why don't you four just start calling each other "brahs" and take 300 level classes in couch burning and get it over with. Shame on you for embarassing our university.
Holy crap, look all these holier than thou people.
It's not a big deal. It's a football game. So you poke a little fun at a rival who was whining about not making a BCS game. It's funny. It's fun. It's part of a rivalry.
Some people take this stuff way to seriously. Analyzing a sign in a stadium and trying to determine how it affects national perspective (very little), "the rivalry" (slightly), and if it is beneath us (who cares, it's some kids with a sign having fun?) is ridiculous.
What should be beneath Michigan alums/fans is disrespecting Sparty by saying they are not worth caring about/mentioning/acknowledging. If you want to beat your opponent, you need to respect them.
The series record comprehensively proves this.
I should let it go when Michigan fans wear a grey michigan shirt to a game against the school in ohio?
when did Michigan play Tiffin?
It wasn't out of line. The original OP said it was clever and then others including myself disagreed. The opinion that only 5% people watching understood the joke.
I respect Spartan players. Just not some of their fans
I didn't like the sign either. I agree that MSU is best ignored, but I really hated the sign because, seriously, "Spartan tears taste like Sugar?" Somebody was trying a little too hard.
That said, it's not that big a deal to me. So a few of our fans held up a stupid sign. Whatever.
when I saw it. It was stupid but not a bid deal.
people are way too uptight about the whole "OMG, don't acknowledge MSU or they might get the idea that they matter!" thing.
When I first saw it, I didn't like it, for all of the reasons you guys have mentioned.
But by this morning, my mind has changed. Sparty's entire raison d'etre (under Dantonio particularly) is to be a foil for Michigan. All they ever do it talk about Michigan; our sign guys did it for a specific reason, and they will go on to being normal Michigan fans (dismissive of State) tomorrow. This sign would not have existed in any other year, so it's not a case of our fans stooping to State's level.
It was a joke. In the estimation of most Michigan fans, so is Sparty (albeit a pretty good one lately).
Notice, no one is compelled to make signs about Ohio when we are playing a bowl game. We have too much respect for that program and for that rivalry. Not so in the case of State.
I thought the sign was stupid, and it would have been downright embarrassing if we had lost. Are we turning into Sparty?
bad choice to pull out that sign, it gives spartan's the wrong impression. I saw lots of facebook comments last night from my spartan friends about how the "tables have turned" and "you didn't see any michigan signs during MSU's bowl game"
Also some spartan's have already begun photoshopping the pic
I liked the sign when I first saw it. My only concern was that if Michigan lost the game, signs like that would be showing up at ever MSU/ UM game from now on. But Michigan won so I am fine with it.
Besides, there are numerous things that Michigan fans do at games that many people on this blog have considered classless. For example, many people hate the "you suck" chant, and from my understanding the hockey chants are not always family friendly.
It was one sign that given the situation with Cousins' comments made sense and was funny.
It's not about class. The problem with the sign is that it indicates we might be developing the same mentality that we ridicule Sparty for. This game had nothing to do with Sparty. So why even mention them?
I originally had this mentality as well; however, when you correlate it with all the bitching Cousins and the Spartans did as a direct result of us going to a BCS bowl and them not (and not just a general comment about State whining, though his would also be applicable to that) it seems more appropriate.
I believe that it is becoming the official University of Michigan position that beating MSU is a priority. End the OSU streak. Check. End the bowl drought. Check. Season sweep of Sparty in basketball. Check. What is left? Beat Dantonio and get rid of that clock.
..after reading the MSU players twitter posts bashing Michigan this morning, I tend to agree with the sign.
1) Michigan State was in no way involved with the game
2) Michigan State had already won their bowl game - Cousins' tears about the BCS selection were old news by last night
3) Michigan State had beaten us this year, for the fourth time in a row
4) Michigan State is not our primary rival
4a) Our primary rival would have been an infinitely more appropriate target for the sign - not only because they had plenty to cry about this year, but because they deserve the respect-hate shown by mocking them even when they're not involved with the game at hand
5) We're Michigan. We shouldn't give a shit what Michigan State is doing unless they're competing directly with us on the field. This sign was 100% pure Sparty, and I wouldn't mind if the dolts who made the sign transferred their allegiances to East Lansing immediately.
signs like this make us just as bad as sparty...Keep in mind, that's four people out of how many?? Michigan is still the classiest fan base by far.."The leaders and best" for a reason ...
MSU is constantly whining about how we're in a BCS bowl and they're not so why not play the game and rub it in a bit? I enjoy it more because I know it makes their blood boil.
And we should stop pretending we don't care about MSU because we do. The 5000 MSU threads since this year's MSU game has proven that
^ truth bomb ^
Until we beat them, I say we just keep on keepin on and let Sparty tag cars and hang signs at stadiums.
That was hands down one of the most glorious moments of the game.
Personally I didn't like the sign because it's precisely what Sparty/Ohio fans would do.
But then I started to view it for what it is - a grade school level response to the Spartan football players (and fans) who previously whined like little children about Michigan going to the Sugar Bowl while they "got a rock". As if Michigan has never received the shitty end of the stick when it comes to bowls, rankings, etc.
There was a time I actually rooted for MSU to win their games. But now things have changed.
It's a rivalry. We did a rivalry thing. Anyone who "doesn't care about Sparty" is plagued by a massive case of denial.
I am sure the sparty morons who spray paint cars have the same reasoning for thier thuggery....DOES NOT COMPUTE.
I thought it was funny, but not in the same way many of you think it's funny.
awful. You just elevated their program. But whatevs
maybe our fans kind of made us look bad with those signs, but at least we didn't have players tweeting after the game about their rival like Sparty players were last night.
During my years at Michigan I developed an understanding of the rivalry with MSU, with sentiments that have stayed with me in the subsequent 15 years... please tell me if I got it wrong...
As Michigan fans, we do believe there is a rivalry and like all rivalries, we care about it. Depending on who you talk to, it ranks as the 2nd or 3rd priority rivalry for us (mostly 3rd behind Ohio and ND). MSU fans hold this rivalry as their 1st priority. Since it is a lower priority rivalry with us, it gives Michigan fans the advantage of perspective and some degree of emotional separation (which we don't experience when it comes to Ohio). Recognizing this advantage, Michigan fans exploit it with hyperbole to MSU fans, claiming the rivalry doesn't matter or that we don't care (which is not fully true for most fans of Michigan... but certainly has some degree of truth to it as seen by comments from out of state posters). Like a big brother attempting to get under the skin of his little brother, we know the buttons to push and often get the reaction that reinforces our behavior... an emotional outburst. This is when MSU fans tend to "see red" and go on the attack with comments about Walmart Wolverines and pompous Michigan fans...etc. Like a big brother, satisfied with what we've done, we sit back and snicker proudly at the fact that the responses are silly, predictable and always good for cheering up a Michigan fan. In turn, the MSU fans' hate grows even more and the perspective that we are a bunch of arrogant jackwagons is only reinforced. Which leads back to the cycle of hyperbole/emotional outburst.
This has been my MO with MSU fans since my days at Michigan and I've seen this exact behavior in many a Michigan and MSU fan since that time. That said, the reason so much blood has boiled over Hart's "little brother" comment is because it is such a perfect metaphor for the rivalry. Unfortunately, it seems the past few years, little brother is all grown up and is exacting revenge by beating the crap out of big brother! But, big brother has started going back to the gym and all will be right again soon!
With regards to the sign... the rub seems to be that these students are not continuing the tradition, which is slightly annoying. However, they appear to be young in the ways of Michigan fandom and I for one welcome them to the ways of the Wolverine. They will learn in due time that there are expectations for how Michigan fans relate to MSU. They'll get it right. In the mean time, I admire the creativity and appreciate that these guys were having a good time in New Orleans (wishing I were there).
Is that about right? I welcome correction... certainly don't want to hang on to misunderstanding.
Michigan. After seeing/hearing so many green dudes who were rooting against Michigan last night, I'm over that. Their fans are on a level with tsio's fans.
Meh. I cringed a bit because we should really be focusing on the game and all that, but Kork opened himself up for this kind of stuff when he publicly made statements about Michigan, nearly 7 weeks after the Michigan game. You make comments like he made, you should expect some fan backlash.
On playing, rather than holding up a sign.
Coupons brought it on himself when he cried about MSU's bowl placement.
It's not a sign I would hold up at a game, but I laughed and nearly spit soda all over my living room when I saw it.
Sorry, but I loved the sign. LOVED it. All this "Sparty's not our rival" stuff is stupid. Yes, they are. No, they are not on the level of Ohio. Yes, they are our rival. Pretending otherwise is just dumb. The sign was creative, funny as hell, and I'll bet you anything that any Sparty who saw it had his blood pressure rise just a little bit. In that respect it was a rousing success. "Fairly" creative, hell, I thought it was outstanding. We know they're pissed about us going to a better bowl than them, why shouldn't we take the chance to twist the knife a little? It's not "stooping to their level." Badly spelled petty vandalism is their level. That's a Leaders and Best response right there if you ask me. It's fantastic.
I want to personally thank those young men for making that sign. It was funny and well thought out. I hope it stung Sparty land because quite frankly, that was our best response to them on the gridiron in the last four years
I laughed at it. It's not something that people should start doing regularly or anything, but MSU raised such a stink about us being in the game that a playful jab was acceptable.
I thought the sign was pretty stupid. MSU had nothing to do with the game, why bother bring it up?
Funny as hell!
My exact response was, "Oh shit. That is a dong punch.".
Come at me bro
I feel like we should lock the boards after anything involving MSU. This was only one guy, but after the Outback Bowl was horrible
So I was at an MBA night at a presitigious school. The speaker was saying how they draw some of the top talent from across the country. Then she started asking prospective students in the audience where they attended undergrad. The first student said Michigan State. The speaker looked suddenly disappointed as if it was an insult to her "prestigious school". Then she asked a second student who also said Michigan State. She was so upset that they weren't from a presitigious school that she just gave up the whole exercise.
That is my sparty story for the day.
Whether or not you think the sign was in good taste, I will defend the fans for trying to be funny. People need to give funny a chance.