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I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
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Plain and simple. I've been reading this site daily for 2 years, finally got around to creating an account so I could post at the beginning of this year. And while some of the posts along the way had their fair share of idiotic comments, the ability to downvote/upvote mitigated a lot of the damage and kept this place from reading like MLive, ESPN (pre-Facebook requirements), RCMB, Bucknuts and the dumpster fire that is Michigan's 24/7 site. A lot of the discussion was pretty interesting and in some ways I found the boards to be equally as entertaining (if not more so) than the actual site content from Brian, Ace, Heiko, Seth, etc.
Once the ability to downvote/upvote posts went away, these message boards completely disintegrated. I was in a thread 8 or 9 months ago debating with a couple reasonable OSU posters about why I thought that MGoBlog was a much better, more reasonable site than 11W from a poster's perspective. I told those guys I would take the Pepsi Challenge and try 11W for a few months to see if they could prove me wrong.
For awhile, I saw a lot of similarities between the two sites. Some stupid delusional posters and threads, but a fair amount of respect for opposing fans as long as they didn't blatantly troll. But over the last few months, I've actually found more intelligent conversation about Michigan football on a friggin' OHIO STATE blog than on a site that set the standard for what a college football blog site should be. It's because the inmates are running the asylum in these forums now, and there's no way to maintain a level of intelligent posting without a few idiots disrupting the entire thread. Or worse, just starting a total thread that is a complete shit show from the beginning.
We like to claim that Michigan as a fan base is somehow more rational than the likes of Little Brother, Ohio and the SEC but the reality is we're not. Where MGoBlog used to be a reasonable safe haven for heated but (somewhat) intelligent discussion, the reality is that a bunch of these threads are now comprised of RCMB quality.
I was never known as much of a contributor or frequent poster anyway (pretty obvious from my point total) but my activity has diminished significantly over the past 3 months because the discussions in these threads have become so asinine. The main page content is still excellent as always and the mods and key contributors like Space Coyote and Magnus still churn out great posts. But in terms of good back and forth dialogue among the broader group, it's just not there.
The pulse of this site when you read through many of these threads feels like some kind of paranoid, Little Brother complex in relation to both Ohio and Staee, which is insane. If this is an indication of what our fan base as a whole is turning into, then I pity future iterations of the Michigan football team who have to play for such a fan base.
Sory if this sounds completely "holier than thou" but the reality is that this post isn't intended as a call to arms for a number of the idiots on here to settle down. It's a given that idiots are going to be idiots, so what I'm really hoping is that the good folks who run this site will take these words to heart and do what they can to reinstitute upvotes/downvotes and other moderation policies as quickly as possible. The absence of this kind of policing has really started to devalue the site, which is a shame because it's still the best source for UM sports content that you can find.
+1. Maybe things always go off the rails during the season when tension is high, but yeah, the past three months have been rough.
I got negbanged fairly often, even when my posts were innocuous...but negbangs need to come back.
Always felt like part of the site's identity.
And yes, the board is now saturated with fools and trolls.
There was some sort of technical glitch with the site that caused them to disappear. I believe Brian said they would be fixed by the beginning of the season, but then they didn't get fixed. Now he says that football season is too busy, so they'll get fixed after football season. Considering basketball season is starting up, plus there's football bowl season and then National Signing Day and then March Madness, I wouldn't really expect things to slow down until April or May. Hopefully the site fixes don't take THAT long, because it's already having a negative effect...
may not have always been used in the proper context, but I'd much rather draw a few negbangs that make me say WTF if it means that as a whole, we could better weed out the blatantly terrible/juvenile posters. This is basically why I'm able to get some good dialogue on an enemy site like 11W. Obviously most of their posters aren't going to agree with me, but the whole upvote/downvote process they have in place over there generally keeps the discussions pretty civil, as long as I'm not being blatantly insulting.
I almost never read long posts but this one was worth it.
Our new motto?
I'm glad something useful came out of this thread.
P.S. Beat Staee
Happens when you have two bye sin one season.
Does the same axiom apply to fan blogs...No one fan is bigger than the whole fan base? Me love me some space coyote, but c' mon now fellas. Even space coyote says this is silly.
That said the constant din of saying this blog is "going down hill" and "sucks" is cliche. Make specific asks for improvement or move on. I am more annoyed by the "down hill" comments than the idiots as idiots are subject to the wrath of the board and the democratized internet. If you all complaining about the downward slide of the board want to cure idiocy you are in for a long day and a masichistic (msp?) experience every time you log in here or most places on the net.
We have asked for specific fixes - mainly, the ability to moderate posts (+1, -1, etc.). However, those requests have gone unheeded and/or postponed.
I agree with you. Brian should really be paying attention here (I'm not saying he isn't, but here we are). This blog is his product, he can do as he pleases, but it is a product. And his livelihood. Hopefully he bites the bullet and hires someone to fix this, the MGoBoard has always been a key part of this here site. It would be a shame to see it devolve further, once certain doors have opened it can be damn hard to close them again.
IIRC, users have offered to fix the issue in the past. I believe someone (I think it was Shock FX) actually reached out to him and offered to completely overhaul the voting system just because he loves the site. Brian said, "OK," and then Shock wrote the code to fix the problem and gave it to Brian, and he just....never used it.
Then he was banned.
I thought he got sacked for suggesting a plausible reason that Borges would want to run the stretch.
But that makes sense too.
Now that you say that, yeah I remember. Huh.
A specific fix was requested and it's something that proved to work relatively effectively in the past. The reason why a lot of people are complaining about the site going downhill recently is because the previous checks and balances we had in place were removed. It's not so much cliche as it is a recurring request for a specific change to be implemented. Hopefully if enough people ask for it, something will be done.
Here to appreciate Space Coyote. Extremely smart, thoughtful, diplomatic, wise, not an alarmist, not out to take unfair potshots at our authority figures just to make clear how smart he is.
The PSU aftermath was a very ugly time on this site. I come here to get intelligent insights and also a positive Michigan football vibe. I feel like Brian got too down and once he was down, too petulant and even narcissistic, and then an army of posters turned hysterical and dumbly decided Al B was the problem. Space Coyote was the thing that kept this site from turning into an ugly mob of simpletons, and kept me coming back.
Never thought I'd see a Space Coyote rant. Wild. He deserves one, though. He's been playing it cool for years now.
How about we just calm the f down? Can we do that? Jesus.
Sure, I've written some really dumb comments on mgoblog too from time to time - mostly out of frustration and ignorance. I know I'm not the only one. I've definitely enjoyed SC's contributions because he knows the x's and o's better than anyone, and his comments/answers have either challenged my whining, or opened up my mind to see the situation differently, or both. This is valuable to me.
So if I'm one of the idiots whose previous comments and "bullshit attitude" pissed him off so much as to leave mgoblog for a few days, then I apologize. Come back SC. You make mgoblog a better place dude.
I totally respect SC and hope he sticks around; he brings quite a bit to the analysis on the site. I mostly ignore comments on the site that devolve into the idiocy complained about, and I think SC should do the same here. I will argue that every message board has its malcontents and dregs, so acting like there is a better spot out there with an iota of this coverage and eyeballs is somewhat misguided.
I do think the whole Borges debate is overblown, though the same stuff happens here (and really any community) once it grows to a suitable size. The only homogenity you'll find here is that (most) people are UM fans in the general sense; expecting agreement beyond that basic fact is silly. Personally, I think Al Borges is a bit overrated as an OC, though I'm sure he performs better with players and skill sets that best match his offensive philosophy. I know there are numerous examples of his success at different programs, as well as examples of his struggles, and those can be twisted to fit a narrative.
I will say, and this can be taken however anyone wants, I find it funny that people complain about the "hive mind" brought about on this site by Brian and then simply fall in line with a contrarian view that, while true sometimes, possesses similar flaws that just aren't sussed out as diligently because they are in the minority. I agree that SC is right about the undue hatred toward Borges and how many people don't know what is happening with the OC, but at some point you sound like you are ignoring reality when trying to "justify" results-based statistics.
is some kind of epic bizarro world. i suspect it may turn into a blog of its own.
and it's so long i forgot what it was about.
and what exactly is a "space coyote" ?
Honestly, I like SC and enjoy reading his analysis of the game of football. I thnk he has aded a lot to this blog with his insights and would continue to read his pots if he decides to stay.
That said, I have to say that in all honesty, his recent blogging patterns have been no better than those he seems to be complaining about. The rant he had that was pasted in the OP was just the latest in which he completely went off the deep end and is far from being objective in any way.
I freely admit that SC knows way more about football than I ever will which is why I enjoy reading his posts, but lots of other people know a lot too, and I enjoy reading them. And when people disagree with them, they don't go all Clark Griswald on everyone either.
My point really is that lots of people use Brian's insight to formulate their opinion as many do with SC as well. It's only normal that some will fall on both sides of the debate. It doesn't mean that anyone who sides on the anti-borges side of things are mindless idiots anymore than people who agree with SC are. People just need to stop taking this subject (and blog in general) so seriously.
Seriously, when people disagree with Brian when has he displayed what we have witnessed from SC the past two weeks? I'm not angry about it, I'm just pointing out that if Brian acted that way when people disagreed with him people would murder him. He hasn't acted that way and still people are always harping about him. Just give the guy a break, he doesn't have to agree with you and just because he doesn't, doesn't mean he's wrong either.
I just honestly wish people would stop taking things so darn personal and for me, if SC decides to leave and never return that's his business. I'll miss his educated analysis, but in all honesty, the last few rants he went on left me feeling like I just got out of the principals office, and I won't miss those anytime soon. Either way, good luck to him in whatever he chooses and lets stop taking everything so personally.
Take a break if you must but please don't go.
I love but never played football, and thus have only macro understanding of the game. Getting solid micro insight from Brian and posters like you is why I come here.
Please just keep doing what you do and filter out the white noise. A voice of reason stands out amid the periodic hysteria and makes mgoblog a worthwhile place to come.
I really don't know who this space coyote is, but I will take your word that he knows plenty about football schematics, although I didn't particularly read any in that post. It mostly came across as someone who has an inflated opinion of themselves. You know football, great. You contribute to a site, great. But guess what, if you leave, we all still get to watch the games on Saturday.
Many of the comments then huh? Space adds sane and insightful points to a shit fight.
I am guessing he coaches himself, but could be wrong.
Maybe find the search feature - it's a blank box near the top of the screen - and find some Space Coyote posts. The guy knows football. And I, for one, appreciate the way he breaks down a read, block, play, or game. It helps me understand football better because it is always good to hear opposing opinions. I also tend to agree that many opinions on this board are uninformed. Hopefully he or anyone else doesn't leave the board because of a few turd furgesons who just come on here to complain.
Time to take a knee.