Space Coyote Appreciation Thread

Submitted by JimBobTressel on

Congrats you sniveling morons, you're on the verge of driving him off. I'd say 90% of you know way less football than you think you do and that's generous.

Space Coyote, as anyone who follows him on Twitter knows, literally breaks down the X's and O's of a game faster than anyone out there. Insanely intelligent.

My suggestion is to shut up and read. Literally the first time I've ever heard him driven to cursing.

This constant, idiotic, bull shit attitude where about a dozen people look at things Borges says and twist it, act like he's stupid and doesn't know shit, is really, really annoying. Someone the other day bitched about Hoke saying "most teams have 4 base runs and 4 base passes". "Haha, how stupid is that? How much are our coaches out of touch, eh?" Well guess what, most teams have about 4 base runs and 4 base passes.

People on this thread bitching about "we'll lock into some plays". Guess what, every coach at this level will lock into some plays. Why is it stupid for Borges to say, "alright, I don't want my college QB to get into a chess match with one of the best DCs in the country?" Why is it stupid to think Michigan's OC, that has tons of experience, might have a better idea of what's going on? Why is it, that if Borges calls a pass play that has a single high beater to one side and a two high beater to the other, that he needs to have DG have the ability to check out? 

People are bringing PSU nearly three weeks after it happened and still don't understand shit about what happened despite the attempts by some to explain "maybe it wasn't the greatest, but it was far from the worst. Very far from the worst." People keep bringing up "27 for 27" and don't even understand what half of it fucking means, don't understand the game situations that corresponded with it, don't understand that Borges in fact called 14 runs to RBs in the first 54 minutes, which if Michigan weren't trying to eat clock at the end, amounts to a very modest 17 runs in the game.

And then people use a bunch of BS logic. "How many QBs does Borges have in the NFL?" How many has Tressel had? Maybe Pryor? How many does Rich Rod have? Zero? How many does Meyer have? One from his Utah days? What the hell does this even have to do with successful college QBs? But let's bring up how a RS FR, for the first time ever, won the Heisman. Then lets disregard any actual knowledge of anything. Did he check into better plays? Did he run the offense against Alabama? Why are we comparing our QB to maybe the best QB in college football as if that is exactly what Michigan's QB should always be because it's the way it is in your NCAA football game.

But no, it's way too much credit to think an OC that's been in the game has even a functional knowledge of football. I think that the people that think this is his first time seeing a football game since he played Tecmo Bowl as a child are on to something. Oh God he's so fucking stupid that half the posters on here know he's an idiot and see things and understand things he has no idea about.

Honestly, this is getting beyond annoying. The posters here, at least a lot of the outspoken ones, are complete fucking morons that think because they are outspoken they are right. Maybe I should take a break from these boards, from these sites, and let it just degrade into idiocracy. Because I'm sick of every thread even tangentially about Borges turns into this "Hurrr duurrrr Borges dumb, he don't even know that you no can run out of formation not called spread". The wave of stupidity and ignorance mixed with unentitled arrogance that has washed over the board is overbearing. I don't mind debate, I don't mind different opinions, but opinions stated repeatedly time and again without even the effort to have any damn clue what your talking about, and then ignoring people that try to say "wait a second" time and again is exhausting.

Am I done here? Yeah, I think I'm done here.

FGB

October 30th, 2013 at 12:09 AM ^

Space Coyote is making an argument for rational debate.  He may be clearly on one side of the Borges debate, but his post is in favor of reason regardless of sides (at least that's the benefit of the doubt I would give him).

A lot of people in this thread are using the fact that he's threatening to leave to somehow prove that he's right about Borges.

He may not actually be right.  Borges may be a mediocre OC. There are a lot of facts and evidence to support that argument. 

But whether or not Borges is a good OC really shouldn't be the take away point here, and i think it weakens the point of the rant when a lot of people in this thread convert it to arm their own pro-Borges agenda (which, often times, is as ill-informed and armchair as the very anti-Borges opinions that irritate SC). 

 

Reader71

October 30th, 2013 at 2:46 AM ^

I'd venture to say it's not really about Borges at all. SC is a coach of some sort. Of course he'd be upset if someone who knows very little about the game (these guys don't even try, they offer nothing) rag on our OC. Not about anything in particular. Just that he's absolutely brain-dead. People literally think Borges is stupid. I'd imagine it being very similar to a union auto worker listen to a guy at the bar talking about how all union auto workers do is get high on the job and ruin the American auto industry.

B-Nut-GoBlue

October 30th, 2013 at 12:10 AM ^

SC keep your ass here.  A word of advice: don't reply/comment as often as you do and when you clearly aren't going to change someones mind, stop.  I think it'll help your sanity.  Your sanity is needed around here.

trueblueintexas

October 30th, 2013 at 12:11 AM ^

Nothing to add here just trying to get another cherished MGoBlog point added to my point total. You see, how I interact with my wife and son, how I perform at work, how I get involved at church, and whether I beat my dog or not are all dictated based on my emotional reaction to how this blog responds to college students playing games where none of my money or effort is being directly affected. Glad you all understand and will be more considerate next time.

Eye of the Tiger

October 30th, 2013 at 12:46 AM ^

...there has been more concentrated idiocy on this site than in the rest of the time I've been reading it, and that includes the "CC" period. I mean, at least then people felt the need to make rational and substantiated arguments from positions of at least some knowledge. Imagine that! Space Coyote is an exception. He is one of a small number of people that has brought the level of discourse up since PSU. Love his articles on Maize n' Brew as well. Don't always agree with him, but always respect his arguments.

Jacoby

October 30th, 2013 at 1:11 AM ^

Space Coyote's frustration is related to the general decline in quality on the board. I hope the Brians and Heikos consider tinkering with the voting rules to address this

Pit2047

October 30th, 2013 at 1:32 AM ^

It would be a shame if some of the idiots on this board drove him off as he is one of the few people on this board that actually knows the nuances of football and uses facts and logic to back up his arguements.  The world needs more people like Space Coyote

gbdub

October 30th, 2013 at 2:20 AM ^

I like SC and hope he sticks around. I've had reasoned back and forths with him where I actually learned something. I agree that he probably just needs to let some of the venting go rather than crusade on every Borges post.

That said, "you guys just don't understand the context of the worst rushing performance in michigan history" was probably not the best line of argument to assuage the anti-Borges crowd ;)

LSAClassOf2000

October 30th, 2013 at 6:18 AM ^

Losing Space Coyote as a contributor would be to lose valuable and knowledgeable insight into the mechanics and strategy of football. His work contributes value to the board in a way that few others do, but it seems that in the last few weeks, value is the last thing some people around here have wanted. That's a bloody shame really. 

For myself, I enjoy his breakdowns (here and over at Maize'n'Brew) for their thoroughness and their readability. I learn something I didn't know about the game before or didn't appreciate each time, and I find that very refreshing, far more so than lot what he termed the "hurr durr Borges dumb" camp. 

As for the Borges hate, count me in the crowd of people that, while critical of individual decisions, thinks he is a pretty good OC overall. As others have mentioned here, the level of the hate seems unreasonable from some (and some of the "concern trolls" have been "dealt with"), and in most cases, the basis for that hate is unfounded, or at least not well-reasoned. 

I heartily endorse Space Coyote's continued presence here, in other words.

WichitanWolverine

October 30th, 2013 at 7:00 AM ^

I appreciate SC's contribution to the board, but I still disagree with him, generally, about Borges. Just because SC is a coach and most of us aren't, he's automatically right about everything football-related?

Forget the PSU game...can anyone really argue that Borges put our kids in a position to win against OSU last year? I'm ok with losses that result from us being an inferior team, or our kids making mistakes. But when coaches don't give our kids a chance to succeed, it drives me nuts.

One of SC's sticking points is also that "because Borges has been around for a long time, he knows what he's doing." Even if I didn't know the difference between football and baseball, I could tell you that sometimes that doesn't mean jack shit.

bronxblue

October 30th, 2013 at 1:58 PM ^

This has been my one issue as well: the presumption that because person x has more real-world knowledge about coaching, his opinion supersedes others.  Coaches can be wrong, and while Borges is a perfectly competent OC, perfectly competent OCs can call bad games.  Was it as bad as 27 for 27 made it out to be?  No.  But there seems to be a counter-factual out there in which running Fitz and Green for less than a yard a carry worked within the flow of an offense, which I'm having a hard time buying.

nmumike

October 30th, 2013 at 7:17 AM ^

But I wanted to say that Space Coyote brings something to this board that in my opinion would be hard to replace. He is insightful, uses common sense, and has an understanding for the how and the why when explaining x's and o's. I truly hope that he stays here, and continues to bring his thoughts to the board.

Please bring back negs Brian, for the sake of everyone here and the sanity of this board.

 

buddhafrog

October 30th, 2013 at 7:38 AM ^

I upvoted the OP b/c the board is better with the Coyote around.  With that said, I don't entirely agree with his rant.  To the extreme anti-Borges posters, yes, I agree.  But it almost seems as if he is saying we shouldn't criticize Borges much b/c he is experienced and knows more about football than we do.  Of course he does, but his end-of-game PSU calls were HORRENDOUS, and while only 14 of the 27 for 27 came in the first 56 minutes, I, for one, am complaining about the last 13 runs in the last 4 minutes plus OT.  Unbelievable play calling.  

And unfortunately, there have been a couple other games that just make no sense (OSU 2nd half last year).  

While Borges knows tons, that does not mean that he is automatically different than the many other football coaches throughout the country that do suck for one reason or another, and should be fired.  I'm not saying that is Borges, but I am saying that it is not an impossible idea.

Danwillhor

October 30th, 2013 at 7:38 AM ^

but other people know and (GASP!) football here. No offense but he made a pretty basic comment/observation in another thread and some claimed it literally gave them goosebumps, were going to steal it to sound like a better fan, etc. I was cracking up over how basic it was and it being treated like wisdom from Lombardi himself lol. We have coaches and ex-coaches on this board. Some if us very successful and know football to the point that they can call the play on both sides before the ball is snapped. Football is an easy game. Again, I like SC but this verbal statute building of him the last few days is both hilarious and idiotic. Nothing he has said lately has been awe inspiring, imo. Basic and obvious? Sure. Amazingly insightful? No. Yet, neither have I so not knocking him but finding this love odd. Like how people make multiple accounts and praise their own comments (huge in scout when I was there, not saying SC did/is).

Zok

October 30th, 2013 at 7:42 AM ^

SC just needs to do a weekly diary a counterpoint to Brian on Tues or Wed and leave it at that. Some weeks he might agree with Brian, others he may not. Either way he can say his piece in one post, perhaps respond to comments in that thread and leave it at that.

or he can just leave. The internet will go on.

I have gone back and forth with him in the past bc we disagree on something. It happens. I don't take it personally and he shouldn't either. Going around trying to change 100 posters mind every week one post at a time will drive you crazy. so stop doing it.

 

 

Drbogue

October 30th, 2013 at 7:52 AM ^

Forum posts should always be viewed as standing in front if a group of children. You hope that some of the kids will grasp the concept, but you are guaranteed to hear a lot of crying, moaning, and temper tantrums. Explains why we show the muppets after a win and kittens after a loss.

bleednblue

October 30th, 2013 at 8:15 AM ^

This thread is a perfect example of how shitty this site, in particualr the board,  has become.

Pining over some dude in hopes that he will "stay"...??  Get a life queer baits.

bleednblue

October 30th, 2013 at 11:52 AM ^

Like no...I'm not like...pretending to be like...Kenny Powers or anything. Are you like...going like...trick or treating tomorrow or what?

 

I was responding to Tex's ridiculously absurd proposition to meet with an equally absurd answer.  For effect.  Obviously you missed it. 

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ND Sux

October 30th, 2013 at 12:33 PM ^

I have not even read ten posts from you, but I am honestly wondering how you ever got to 239 without getting banhammered to the Gulf of Bolivia.

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MGoManBall

October 30th, 2013 at 8:58 AM ^

Pining? Not the word I would use.. over a user who contributes to this board in a positive way. I certainly wouldn't "pine" over a user who first insults the site and then says "queer baits." You would see a post this caliber over at RCMB.

bleednblue

October 30th, 2013 at 9:05 AM ^

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v. pined, pin·ing, pines
v.intr.
1. To feel a lingering, often nostalgic desire.
2. To wither or waste away from longing or grief: pined away and died.
v.tr. Archaic
To grieve or mourn for.
n. Archaic
Intense longing or grief.
 
Clear it up for you MGoFuckYourself ?