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Zeke Pike!! Then he can help us bring in a Mega Class!!
wherever he goes i seriously doubt he will commit silently
be it michigan or elsewher kid seems like a winner and wants to play with the best people.
Luring a mega class and what he want won't be best served by commiting silently.
just my epinion.
It is a defensive player per Tom Beaver on Scout.
Rivals mods confirmed its a defensive player as well. If we assume it came from one of the prospects at the spring game than it would have to be Ross, TRich, or Day. I don't believe Bolden made it so it would have to be one of those three. I would be ecstatic with any of them!
Please when referring to the potential for a superfriends, top-5 recruiting class, use all caps: MEGA CLASS (!).
Whoever smelt it, dealt it.
the race :(
Anyways, hopefully we can hear a rumor on this soon
I've been compulsively updating twitter in an attempt to not study for my final tomorrow :)
Procrastination: 1 me: 0
Could mean any number of things of course although it certainly sounds like another commit.
I'm hoping that the vagueness of the tweet combined with Tom's revelation of the possible MEGACLASS means this has something to do with that.
Commencing forced tempering of expectations...
...so tough to do but no doubt the safest course of action.
was that bad
Carr never got close to a million bucks to give to an outside coordinator. Michigan is no longer buying its X's and O's on the cheap and hopefully that continues. The only question is whether Hoke can be the figurehead Carr was and bring in that kind of talent (that 2006 team has to be one of the most talented in the last decade). If this ends up being a Megaclass 3-4 years down the road and we don't go back to operating the program on the cheap, the sky is the limit for near and long term future of the program.
Back to the 90s?
I feel like we did something kinda good in the 90s...
Both guys were successful coordinators at other places hired to come to Michigan. Borges also has a long track record of elite-level success (Auburn, UCLA) as well.
Every single Carr coordinator on both sides of the ball was a Michigan position coach who got promoted. This is a huge change to have high quality, experienced coordinators brought in from outside the program and it is one I hope continues if/when the current guys leave.
I don't know if it's fair to assume that. Did Borges have any ties to Hoke before he came to SDSU? Those connections have to start somewhere. For SDSU to land Borges in 2009 was a huge coup.
As for Mattison/Hoke, yeah they worked together here - for two years, 15 years ago. And Mattison committed one of the worst betrayals by taking an equivalent job at a rival school. A lot of Lloyd's boys would have never made that move for any amount of money in the world. This isn't not quite the incestuous relationship we had with Carr/Herrmann and Carr/DeBord.
Not quite..... Hermann was the DC here and Mattison went to ND to get promoted
Jim Herrmann was LB coach under Mattison.
He left because ND was offering a lot more money (big surprise) and perks, which includes free tuition for his kids (which was alluded to, but I don't know if any ended up going there).
Carr coordinators were promotions from within that had no track record of success as a coordinator at the Div 1 level. Hoke, it seems. has learned you are only as good as your assistants and has brought in elite coordinators. Complete opposite ends of the spectrum.
I love the Mattison hire. There is plenty of room for debate about Borges, so let's put him aside. What do you think of the rest of the offensive coaching staff? Their resumes appear lacking, don't you think?
Borges is not elite, not even close. Elite offensive coaches are guys like Chip Kelly or Urban Meyer. Al Borges is pretty good, definitely solid, but nowhere near elite.
Comparing an assistant with a head coach is not fair. Needless to say, Kelly and Meyer weren't walking through the door.
Borges had a ridiculously productive offense at UCLA and was a Broyles Award finalist twice. Rivals named him the offensive coordinator of the year when he was at Auburn. He's had successful offenses at Portland State, Boise State, Oregon and SDSU as well. There aren't too many guys out there with that kind of high level success at two stops or with that long of a positive track record.
Can you name a college coordinator with even a comprable track record? Chow, probably. Maybe Weis (though that was never going to happen). Borges is as good as they come.
Purplestuff has always, and still is Pro-Rich. But he's smart enough and not so attached to his feelings to refuse to acknowledge good things Hoke has done, and give him a chance. He can still skillfully argue Rich should still be the coach, but doesn't hold it against Hoke. Which is all you can ask, and it's the example to follow if you're a huge Rich fan. (Now Brandon on the other hand....but there are fair reasons for that too...)
Nobody had even heard of Chip Kelly four years ago. Point being, he did not become elite until Oregon hired him.
And the rest of the staff bears this out. We aren't engaging in the arms race with the Alabama, Florida, Texas crowd. We were very fortunate that Mattison loves Hoke, has a new granddaughter in Ann Arbor, and is at the right stage of his career to make this move. Usually, this will not be the case, and we will be crippled in the future by our belief that the best coaches should feel privileged to coach here, and that only those with ties to Lloyd are worthy to don the Michigan cap.
at Texas, Bama, and Florida beyond the coordinators?
And how do you know what will be the case in the future?
right, we have a new AD who decided to spend lots of money by U of M standards for a coordinator in his first year on the job. Who is to say this isnt going to be a reoccuring theme going foreward as long as brandon is in charge
Because they don't exist. Just a straw man for a guy who's named himself after OSU's coach.
No, all I want back about Michigan was the winning, and that's really all that being Michigan was about.
We'll run a pro-style O, with an OC that will drive people crazy.
Not that I really disagree, but I don't think there's an OC anywhere that can leave a fanbase satisfied. Vincent Smith and inside handoffs ring a bell?
If Harbaugh had actually wanted to coach here.
How the hell do you know that?
Doesn't it turn your fact based storyline into a choose your own adventure? Because not knowing how that went could make things go in all sorts of different directions. Did he never really want Harbaugh, and always wanted Hoke? Did they court, but go their separate ways? Did he really want Harbaugh, but Jimmy screwed him? Did Harbaugh really want to come here, but turn to the NFL when his love wasn't reciprocated? And for any of them, why? It changes the storyline quite a bit. And I don't know that we'll ever know the truth, because it's the type of thing a memoir would even gloss over. Or be he said/she said.
Say I go with 2....are you saying that going for the gusto, as it were, and having a fall-back plan is a bad thing? Or just that you think Hoke should have been say, the 5th option? But how do we know he wasn't the second, Brandon did some preliminary inquires to see if someone else wow's him, and no one did, so he stuck with Hoke? Or that it even went the other way, he was inquiring to all sorts of people, gave Hoke a curtesy interview, and was wow'd by him? I have no problem with someone picking apart "the process", because it can be. But if it was Hoke all the way, why didn't we just fire Rich the Monday after OSU, and put Hoke in to recruit immediately? At the very least, Harbaugh has to figure in somewhere.
So what page do I turn to now?
To be clear, I was talking specifically about your assertion that we won't pay top dollar for an outside coordinator again. I'm not a DB fan, but he was pretty clear making the point that he doesn't feel that we've paid our coaches market value to date. Why do you question that?
RR has won conference titles in a BCS-qualifying conference.
RR has won BCS games.
We brought in someone with a lifetime sub .500 record (and 3 winning seasons against 5 losing seasons), who has never even won his conference (MAC, MWC).
Say that Hoke "gets it," runs good old fashioned "Michigan football," or whatever pablum you want, but bringing up track records just makes you look foolish. Let's all hope Hoke can get his lifetime coaching record above .500 by winning consistently at Michigan.
Is that not what is important to UM fans?
Great, but he did all that when he had Jeff Casteel running the D. Without Casteel he struggled mightily. Maybe we hired the wrong WVU coach.
Oh, statistics can be fun. Who needs context? Right? Right?
RR won "A" BCS Bowl Game. If you're going for accuracy.
If you're going for accuracy, Bobby Williams has won more bowl games as a college head coach than Brady Hoke.
Crediting interim head coaches for bowl wins makes no logical sense.
And then he had his shot at the big time, and failed miserably. Rich had too, and had his shot, and failed miserably. Hoke is getting his shot. And may fail miserably. But I'm at least letting him coach some seasons, no less a game, no less a spring game, before I think he's a lock to fail. Not that you've said that, but that's what the OP was getting at.
And I don't know how you can't give credit to the interim guy. Yes, he doesn't get credit for building the program, but for that game? He was the coach who won it. There are so many factors that go into waiting 30 days for a bowl game anyway....motivations, lay off reaction, etc., that's it's a bit of coaching slight of hand already. We'll never know what happened if Saban had stayed, or Rich had stayed. Does the team have the same motivation to show the world they're still good after their coach "abandoned" them? How much work did it take the interim guy to hold the team together in the turmoil of transition, and not come out with no one caring, and every man for himself attitude, that has the team going through the motions, and getting rocked? So I'll give Williams some credit. I mean, he wasn't even beating a Zook team, in Florida.
I'll give Bill Frieder credit for acquiring the players who could do it, but I'm not giving him a National Championship ring either.
Well, if Hoke can go 9-4 this year, he can get over .500 for his career. And he would be over .500 at Michigan, more importantly. Rich would have had to go 11-2 to get over .500 at Michigan this year. Which is all I really care about. And over the last 5 years, in the what have you done for me lately college football world, Hoke is 37-26, RR is 36-26. (I won't even get into the last 3 years, because that's cherry picking....though you might was well when you consider the level of programs each was taking over...)
You say "good defense, and top 10 recruiting classes" like it's a bad thing.
Maybe it has something to do with James Ross or Ron Thompson
was my gut reaction
It would make sense, with RJS just committing, and likely one spot left at LB position. Not to mention they are both good friends, or maybe it could be Bolden or Thompson who have been Michigan leans.
Yeah that was exactly what I thought, Ross knows something big is happening here and wants to make sure hes a part of it.
The coaches might have told him at this time we only have one more spot for LBs. I would be happy with either Ross or Bolden. I guess this means that we might not get much interest from Rippy.
They'll take Ross at anytime no matter how many Linebackers have given their verbal. They will never turn down the top rated player in the state of Michigan.
Do not forget that James Ross has 2 good friends and high school teammates at PSU. I doubt it was him. I can see him dragging the process out.
Well did you really expect RJS to commit yesterday? I sure as heck didn't given the attention he has gotten lately. These are still kids that we are talking about, anything can happen.
No, I didn't see that coming at all. It's possible that it's Ross, just unlikely. Plus, OLSM has been a pipeline for OSU and PSU these last few years which is unfortunate. I really hope he ends up blue but can see him taking his time with recruiting.
Not to be Casper anymore?
Oh yes. It feels very good to be alive again. However, I had to open a new account and lost all my points. Oh well. It's better than talking to myself. Thanks for the advice!
Agreed He's never been as high on Michigan as RJS and will almost certainly take his time. I say good for him and if he decides to go Blue the staff will welcome the #1 player in Michigan with open arms.
I would say it has something to do with somebody close to royce. after the tweet royce had about being treated like a president after committing I think its richardson wanting to get in on being treated like that
Jordan Diamond is who I am thinking.
Just read that he's currently heading down to visit a few SEC schools. Could explain the "silent" nature but also a long drive to make for no apparent reason.
Sheldon Day is another possibility. His whole family was decked out in Michigan apparel for the spring game.
I was thinking the same thing. It is probably someone who was at the spring game. I would be very excited for Sheldon Day.
Sheldon Day had his Michigan lanyard around his neck... and about a dozen other school lanyards sticking out of his jacket pocket. It was a pretty impressive collection! I saw MSU, Tennessee, Cincinnati, and Notre Dame among others. He said he was heading down to Virginia Tech next. I doubt it's him.
Coach Hecklinski was working Terry Richardson pretty hard after the game, telling him he needs to come to Michigan because "this is your home." Looked like it was making Terry a little uncomfortable... Doubt it's him either!
I'm gonna guess it's Bolden reserving his spot.
his HS coach is a Buckeye booster who perhaps would not support Day picking UM, or at least could make it very uncomfortable on him.
Here is the bio on his coach from his twitter (he is the one who tweeted that Day would be at M spring game which was re-tweeted by Tom)
If you're a silent commit, you're already hedging your bets.
The 10th dentist caved and now they're all recommending Tri-Dent?
TOMVH learning super secret silent secret of silence
= Tom on twitter.
Awesome reset and show.
On silent commits...we'd have heard who it was for sure. Or Tom wouldn't have heard it at all himself.
Jordan diamond, or Bolden or Biggs-LB spots are at a minimum right now.
Ron Thompson looks surprsingly similar to James Rogers
I guess you could say they are both african american....
but not a whole lot...
Not at all
you are never called in for a police identification.
Would be disastrous.
I'm going to go ahead and say Zeke Pike. If it were Ross or some either in stater, why would it need to be silent, and why would we not hear it about it for a while? Pike makes sense, because his commitment isn't coming anytime soon.
Although, I'm completely wrong mind you, and it's likely Ross, given the number of Linebackers Michigan will take this class.
As others have said, when Pike pops everyone is going to know it. He's going to turn into the biggest recruiter for whatever school he commits to and wants to bring a monster class with him. He won't be silent.
Pike = 2011 version Juwan Howard
Dear KrisGoBlue, please never change your user name to any suspected silent commit followed by "go blue"
It may be bad luck.
Maybe his name is Kris...
Dear KrisGoBlue, I apologize for jumping to conclusions.
Thats horrible logic-why does anyone need to be silent-there are tons of reasons. I would say the chances of anyone over Zeke Pike being silent are high.
Posting from my phone always turns out to be a grammatical nightmare.
Isn't it obvious it's Joe Bolden? it's not Ross. And its not an offensive player per Beaver
I have to agree with Kris.. There really is no reason why Ross or Bolden would need to be silent...
Welcome to the blog. There might not be a reason, but it could just be their personal preference to announce at a specific date and just want the coaches to know before hand.
Maybe Pike is silently trying to sway Marshall away from Georgia since it has been said Pike has been down there and talks to Marshall?
Pike makes the most sense to me. Granted, he'll want to make it public when he's sure...but think of him as a great nation involved in diplomatic overtures. This would be the "feeling out" stage, transitioning to theagreement in principle. He has the most to lose from actually taking the plunge, so it makes sense for him to proceed cautiously.
A second plausible possibility is Ross cutting a deal- If Bolden tries to sign up before he (Ross) has made a decision, tell him no, he'll take the spot. A right of first refusal, if you will.
Other than that, I'm not sure why anyone would really be overly excited about this. Any decision now is non-binding, so a recruit who isn't confident enough in his decision to be open about it is unreliable at best. Anyone remember Kris Frost?
You can blame it on DogVH.
I tooted silently, but I'm letting it fester under the sheets before I give the fiancée a whiff.
I would have to lean on Sheldon Day maybe? I was reading on mgorecruit that Day had offers from 12 schools for their spring games but he still ended up going to AA. He might have to be a definite possibility since he supposedly isn't commiting until after his senior season. Day could have told Hoke and the staff that he's going there but not publicly yet.
Either way this great to see that more kids are leaning back to the right place! Go Blue!
That "something" could easily involve multiple players. The silence may be due to some of the players involved wanting to enjoy the recruiting process a bit more. Just thinking this is beyond a single commitment...
Silent commits are the equivalent of a girl telling you "just the tip".
Just the tip leads to some pretty fun times
Why would any school take a silent commitment? This is incredibly super-duper non-binding. Guess schools just want a toehold on these guys.
PS: Sorry about the air biscuit - that old guy healthy breakfast cereal isn't sitting well with me. I'll light a match.
To be fair, from the coaches' perspective, the commitment wouldn't be silent. The recruit would have told them. The only difference between a silent and a verbal is that the public doesn't know. As far as the coach is concerned, it would be a verbal commitment.
No reason not to take them. They may not be binding, but neither is a verbal.
It is Ross reserving his spot following the RJS commitment last night.
Gardner was granted a medical redshirt.
i thought we weren't going to find out about this until right before his senior year?
or wild speculation?
The Beaver says it is a defensive player. So there's that.
like you can be my girlfriend , but dont tell anyone
Where's the Dayton Daily when you need 'em?
Its gotta be either day Ross or bolden.. Also does anybody have an account on gobluewolverine? I just wondered who was on that best guess list that was posted today.
Sheldon Day has moved from their second tier to the first tier since friday.
Sam Webb will have a "gut feeling" about someone.
My guess is Richardson. As many have mentioned Pike will want his commit known to other high profile prospects, Diamond is still traveling on his own buck as is Day. Thompson is a perceived UM lean, but for some reason I get the impression he has another dream school outside of UM that he wants a offer from. Leaves us with Ross or Richardson, contrary to others opinion, I don't think Ross feels pressure to commit. He knows UM wants him, as do other schools, UM would never risk alienating themselves by rubbing a kid a wrong way by placing pressure on him in April, seems to go against everything we've been hearing about Hoke and Co. Leaves us with Richardson, teammate of RJS, but in TR's case he stays silent to enjoy the thrills of being an uncommitted prospect, especially when official visits kick in.
If I said I was a silent commitment to her....
If someone does not want a "commitment" out, who cares. What does it matter to everyone on here. We all know it does not matter till February anyway...
Thanks, Buzz Killington
Could it be a player that visited another campus this weekend and realized that school didn't compete with Michigan so he decided to committ?
My guess would that its either James Ross or Sheldon Day
As others have said, we'll find out when Sam starts talking about his gut-feel... when I hear him say that, I always wonder if he has a straight face while sitting in the studio...
It's Sheldon Day. Pretty obvious for anyone who has Scout premium.
just from the RJS commit though I doubt the staff would be heavy about it. They may only want 3 not 4.
Looking forward to - Hello: Silent Commit post with a picture of a question mark and random speculation
Or maybe Pike, Marshall, Ross, Thompson, Day, Diamond, and Wormley all silent commits as of today! This is (was?) the best day ever!