Perhaps we're getting so many recruits because our coach is actually likeable, instead of a red-faced clown.
Also, whatever QB they choose will no doubt be a dink.
Perhaps we're getting so many recruits because our coach is actually likeable, instead of a red-faced clown.
Also, whatever QB they choose will no doubt be a dink.
He is a red-faced ASS clown.
He is a PURPLE-faced ASS clown.
Ass-faced purple clown? Red-assed clown-face? Clown-ass burgundy face?
Someone really should make a Brian Kell color wheel/spectrum for easy remberance.
At least this one doesnt come complete with a FUPA...
In my house we call him "eggplant-face"
He is a mauve face leprechaun.
if no one messes up at all this year and the purple face never comes out, then just maybe they will win a NC. But we all know first quarter of the first game the purple rage will live on.
I look forward to visiting the ND boards after their team's inevitable failure to meet expectations.
Solid Verbal just did a podcast devoted to ND that was pretty good. The guy that came on is expecting 8-5 and said that that would be a good year for this team IIRC. Solid Verbal is a good listen even in the offseason.
As the saying goes, if you have 2 QBs you don't have 1.
Also, FWIW a friend of mine closely connected to ND football said while Kelly wants field turf and has been campaigning for it, that's not happening, at least not before this season. Also, if they do install something it will likely be the reinforced natural grass used by the Packers, Broncos, etc.
But how many QBs do you have if you have 5 QBs?
I'm predicting a Michigan touchdown in the final 10 seconds to seal a victory.
really? I'm prediciting a 140-0 shalacking. Either way, a win is a win.
With a touchdown in the last 10 seconds, just for ol' times sake.
You don't say.
Michigan fans may be arrogant, but at least we're not delusional. I've always said, a Michigan fan thinks his team deserves to win the national championship every year, an ND fan thinks his team will win it every year.
I'm so sick of that narrative. I feel like our fanbase, at least the continent that frequents this blog, is generally on the realistic/pessimistic end. Does anyone 'expect' cravens to commit? Did anyone 'expect' our record last year?
Ohio, however, expects to get every commit they want. If they didn't get them - they didn't want them.
Add to this post on ND, and who is really arrogant? Michigan fans need to take a stand and call bullshit on this.
I see people make comments like this, and I have to wonder. Are you entirely sheltered from some of the BS that comes from our own fanbase, or do you just ignore it? Students and non students alike. Just accept the fact that, like all other fanbases, there are a bunch of idiots that fill our stadium every football Saturday. I’m not targeting you specifically (especially because you clarified that you were mostly talking about this blog), just the mindset. It, in itself, is extremely arrogant and foolish.
Point taken, and I appreciate that you caught the caveat. I would just add the one extra point that from 'the horror' to the many other horrors we've all endured as a fanbase these past few years, our aggregate level of confidence less justifies the title of arrogant. Just a thought - and I don't take anything away from your argument.
Love the avatar.
It sounds arrogant that you go to Michigan stadium with a 110,000 people in it and you think you are so much better then the guy standing next to you and 109,000 (or any amount) others that fill that stadium every Saturday.
Enjoyed your post. Keep'em coming.
Their schedule is seriously brutal this season. I don't understand the NC optimism as making the Champs bowl would be a significant accomplishment.
They should have a solid front 7, but they lose their secondary and their top playmaker from last season in Floyd. Should be interesting to watch them turn on Kelly when they struggle, as 8-4 and the Champs Sports bowl could be the ceiling this season.
It seems like ND fans have this irrational optimism every year. I remember even the media annointing them last year with a guaranteed BCS birth before the season even started.
Not so much.
It's almost like M fans are the opposite. I hear other M fans talk about how we don't have a prayer against Alabama, whereas ND fans think they would beat the Patriots.
the spread and at home.
That wasnt the media it was just Lou Ho-(spittle)-lt-(spittle)-zzz.
I seem to remember Holtz predicting a loss every game when he was a coach and now predicts a win every game.
Many here were hyping them up last year as well and I couldn't understand why.
The media, well, they'll hype ND no matter what they do. If you beat 4 cupcakes at any other school, the world could care less. But if you beat 4 cupcakes and you're Notre Dame, you've done something pretty special according to the media.
The Media would never do that for Michigan, right? Right?!? Seriously though, a lot of the criticisms of ND fans in this thread are terribly hypocritical.
There are at least 4 losses on this list.
They'll get crushed by USC and Oklahoma, and more than likely lose pretty badly to us. Miami, MSU, and Stanford are toss-ups. I have no idea what those teams are going to look like next year though.
Traveling across the Atlantic to play an option team in an empty stadium (no actual Irish people give a shit about the Fighting Irish) in a game with nothing to gain and everything to lose sounds like a recipe for disaster.
It could also cause problems even if they win to do that kind of crazy traveling right out of the gate.
And when they get home, they will be welcomed by an improved Purdue team who some are predicting to compete to win the Ohio-less Leaders Division.
The weird thing about that Navy-ND game, I think Navy is the designated "Home" team
Is it me or does Notre Dame seem like a traveling circus. Sure most Irish sports enthusiasts know who the Fighting Irish are, but like many even in our country, nobody cares.
This schedule makes 8-5 look like a miracle. Good God.
Also enjoyed this post and look forward to other "scouting" reports about our rivals.
Not paying much attention to ND, can someone expand on the Aaron Lynch thing? He left campus or something?
Brian Kelly sent him to timeout.
On the subject of the quarterback situation, what's the buzz on Malik Zaire for the ND fans? If Kiel is redshirting and is portrayed as the savior for the program in coming years, why do you think Zaire was scouted so hard, and subsequently decided to commit there over the school he grew up rooting for? I know Ohio State wanted to see him in camp before he could commit, but why decide to go with a team that atleast is in the mindset that they've found their "franchise" guy, when you're on your home team's top 3 or 4 target list?
This isn't entirely on topic as far as Michigan is concerned, but since we're talking about ND's future, I thought someone might want to share in the speculation about a rival.
stockpile 5* QBs and watch them drift off into obscurity. Its not a rational answer, but its often repeated here. Kiel's committment process was pretty flakey. I'm not surprised BK got a second.
Very interesting info, except number five which is old, old news. I just hope Damefan1 keeps his YouTube account going this fall. I seriously love him.
Me too, except he hasn't made a new video since the 2010 game. There has been some recent activity on his account though, so hopefully, we see more DameFan1 this year.
He posted on Mgoblog for a little while last year. Did he get banned? I thought we were gonna let him stick around because he's fun to laugh at.
#5 Most of them are from Indiana... probably explains everything. You should see the comments about IU basketball. Most loves ND football and those same fans are IU basketball fans too.
I wish I could explain the pathology. I really do. It's a cross between amnesia, Helsinki Syndrome, battered spouse syndrome, and good ol' fashioned homerism.
As a person with plenty of Finnish blood coursing through his veins, I deplore you for dragging Helsinski into the Notre Dame psychonanalysis fray. Call it Stockholm Syndrome and let the Swedes deal with it. :)
I blame this on Bruce Willis. According to Wikipedia,
The term Helsinki Syndrome has been used erroneously to describe Stockholm Syndrome, popularized by the movie Die Hard.
That's why I love this place so much. Random and obscure Die Hard reference: caught.
(Though for full credit, I was hoping for "As in Helsinki, Sweden")
Don't forget delusions of grandeur.
What are some of the ND Blogs? I have 8 friends from my high school who are currently attending that school and Ive never met people who are more full of shit.
Has anyone here noticed that fans speculate a lot more about a "two-QB system" than coaches do? I'm not a coach, and am only speaking as an observer, but coaches seem to really want to have one guy who they can pencil in as numero uno at QB.
But, regardless, I feel the need to post this:
Man Tate really dropped the ball with his career. Showed good signs, I believe he just needed some more experience.
Always good......for a laugh.
I don't understand how they can be pining for golson. He has no game experience, doesn't have a strong grasp of the offense, and has accuracy issues. It's not like any of those are important for success as a QB... /sarcasm.
Because the other two they have didn't win them a NC last year.
He doesn't have a lot of game experience. Hence ND fans can project all of their hopes on him before it's revealed what kind of player he is. Then he'll get trashed and ND fans will move on to the next guy.
It's like what happened with Andrew Hendrix. Had a good half against Stanford, but was aided by a couple crazy Floyd plays plus some bogus penalty calls. Suddenly he's the savior, except for Florida State and spring practice.
I'm not even a Michigan fan, and I'm the one who has to say this?
TO HELL WITH NOTRE DAME -Bo Schembechler
Admit it, you really are a Michigan fan.
with Notre Dame
So close, yet so far (I'm talking about you and RDT saying the exact same thing at the same time)
I thoroughly enjoy updates about ND and Ohio. Apart from Michigan football info, I feel it's always best to know about these other two teams. Know thy...
I still dont see why ND gets so many recuits they dont ever win anything and they have so many busts esp at QB. I get always on national TV but after seeing kelly's breakdown last year i cant imagine what he does with no cameras.
Where does this idea come from? Quinn and Clausen were both fantastic college QBs as upperclassmen. One was a first round pick and one was a second round pick as a true junior. They haven't torn up the NFL but it isn't like Henson/Navarre/Henne or Krenzel/Smith/Pryor have either.
Powlus was more a victim of ridiculous, unfounded expectations from Beano Cook, but really the only highly rated guy who had a shot to play and didn't pan out is Crist, and that I think had more to do with Brian Kelly naming him the starter and then benching him after one mistake in the season opener.
I think they've definitely struggled to identify talent at a number of positions in recent years under mutliple coaches, but quarterback doesn't seem like one of them.
Neither Quinn nor Claussen were fantastic college QBs. Quinn benefitted from a very soft schedule, racked up stats against cupcakes and then sucked in the few big games they had each year. Clausen was just a less good version of Brady Quinn, despite being the top QB in the country coming out of HS. And Crist was a total bust.
The point wasn't that ND never had a good QB, or that other teams have had better QB talent, it was that ND is notorious for underachieving quarterbacks. No one expected Krenzel or Navarre to win Heismans, but I'd argue both of those guys had better careers than any ND QB since Rick Mirer.
Hold on... no problem with disliking ND, but let's be objective: Clausen became an excellent college QB: His Jr year he completed 68% of his passes for 3722 yards, 28 TDs and 4 Ints.
His biggest games were probably Michigan, USC and Stanford:
UM: 25/42 336 yards, 3 TDs 0 ints
USC: 24/43 260 yards, 2 TDs 0 ints
Stanford: 23/30 340 yards, 5 TDs 0 ints
11 TDs 0 ints in your 3 biggest games = fantastic college QB. No other way to slice it.
Quinn threw 37 TDs as a senior and just 7 INT. He won the Unitas and Maxwell awards, finished 3rd in the Heisman voting, and only lost to top-10 teams from Michigan, SC, and LSU. He took ND to a BCS bowl and had a great year as a junior as well.
Clausen threw for 3,772 yards as a junior, completed nearly 69% of his passes, threw 28 TD and just 4 INT.
The list of guys with better numbers in those seasons is very short. You are basically punishing those two guys because ND's team wasn't a national title contender (pretty sure Quinn would have traded defenses and skill position players with Henne or Leinart) and elevating Navarre and Krenzel because of what they had around them.
Clausen put it together for one good year and bailed, but I still don't think he lived up to the hype. Part of being a good QB is winning game. Don't tell me Baylor had more talent on their team this year than ND did with Clausen. Clausen had the QB skills, but he was the anti-clutch. Two of NDs losses his senior year was a 2-pt loss to Navy where Clausen got sacked in the end zone with the game tied, and a 5-pt loss to Pitt where Clausen fumbled with under two minutes to go. Clausen put up a lot of stats, but he threw a lot of short passes to good receivers. A fantastic QB doesn't go 6-6 with that schedule, including one- score wins against Washington, Boston College, MSU and Purdue. Racking up a bunch of stats in losses does not a fantastic QB make, especially considering how horrid his first two years were.
Quinn was similar, just worse. Yes, he lost to three top 10 teams, but he got crushed in all three. Crushed. Every other team they played sucked, so it's not such a big deal to throw 5 TDs against 4-8 MSU or 4 TDs against Air Force and UNC (who was 3-9 that year).
It takes a lot more to be a "fantastic" than big stats. It's how you play in big games, or close games. Both of these guys put together good seasons - they were not fantastic quarterbacks.
It depends on what your definition of "fantastic" is. If your definition of fantastic is Heisman-worthy and being remembered as a legend at his school/nationally, then I would agree that neither was RGIII, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, or Vince Young caliber. That's a pretty high bar for fantastic though.
If your definition of fantastic is one of the elite QBs the seasons you played, i.e. you could start for 115+ FBS teams, then both absolutely were fantastic. Quinn btw, did finish fourth in the Heisman in 2005, Weis' first year, I would say he was unequivocably great that year.
I agree they both fell short of the hype, with Quinn's senior season losing the three games you mentioned and Clausen only going 6-6 as a senior. That's why they aren't considered all-time greats and some of that falls on them. A lot of it falls on having a pretty horrible coach, a bad defense, and in Quinn's case his senior year, less talent that teams like Michigan, USC, and LSU.
Why were you expecting some semblance of sanity from ND fans?
looks like they've been listening to Lou holtz again.
Sorry, but I have to make sure some things are more clear
1. Correct. Basically every one wants Golson, but he hasnt stepped up. Since Rees has the most experience, he looks the best, but literally NOBODY wants him to start.
2. Lynch is back. I dont think many were to worried about him leaving. Certailny not 50/50. He is one of the few players on the team who is a beast. He didnt play against UM last year, but tore it up against MSU. Hes the real deal.
3. Riddick is back at RB but will be more of a RB/WR hybid. That allows us to put 2 players out of Wood, Riddick, Atkinson and Carlisle (Tansfer from USC) on the field at once. Excited about that.
4. Notre Dame is not getting field turf. No idea where that came from. Tyler Eifert made a sarcastic tweet about it, but the boards would be BLOWING up if ND was getting field turf. This is just not true. However, BK does want it.
5. I havent seen one National Championship prediction yet. Nobody expects to be that good. There are still some who expect BCS, but I would say the moajority expect an 8-4/9-3 season. Have not seen one post referring to Hoke & company paying recruits. Your recruiting ability scares us right now, and thats about the feelings on it. I also dont think any one expect to steal your recruits. We were working on Taco, but we have moved on other DEs. We have a great OL class of our own right now, so there not much to steal there. We really dont even go after many of the same players considering our systems are exact opposites.
It seems to me that you are visitind NDnation.com. Stop doing this. That is where ND fans are delusional, and really uniformed pricks who expect NC's every year. They think we should just pay Nick Saban and he'll come like its nothing. They are horribly delusional and represent ND in a bad bad bad bad way. Please stop going to that place.
Personally, I expect probably a 9-4 season. Rees starts the season. Defense is actually quite solid (even with the collapse against you guys last year) and just need to sure up the two CB spots. Losing MF3 hurts, and that will be a struggle. Golson really needs to get on the field. Hes the most talented to me. But we are NOWHERE near a NC contender right now. Cya sometime in late September.
Its always good to have rationale fans of rival schools posting. I look forward to more of the same out of you. By contrast, I tend to set the bar low initially so I can exceed rather than not meet expectations.
I provided the link to NDnation just so someone could find additional links in the banner there. You have to admit, Damefan makes you all look bad too.
If you want rationale, I would suggest NBC sports with Keith Arnold. He does a great job. Onefootdown.com is also phenomenal and my personal favorite. Those both give the honest perspective while also a hint of optimism. Good luck to you all this season.
Yup from speaking to some semi-rational domers, the consensus is that ndnation has devolved from a voice of the average ND fan into a holding cell for the lunatic fringe. Still the best place for unintentional comedy though.
Its a sad, sad place. As you said though, it is a place for a good laugh.
Irishenvy.com. It's where i found the field turf stuff too. Do you have any site suggestions besides ndnation, Irishenvy, or the rivals board?
I go to Onefootdown.com and NBCsports with Kieth Arnold. I only comment on those two because that is where actual rational posting occurs. NDnations is the worst. The Rivals is good writing, but then the comments are dumb to me. It all depends for different fans, but I really enjoy the two i mentioned. They both do a great job. I havent done much with irishenvy.
I frequent IrishEnvy.com...... there has never been a single post on there about Hoke paying recruits or anything ridiculous like that. Nor anything Notre Dame winning a national championship this year unless it was someone being quite sarcastic. A poll conducted the other day shows that quite clearly with most thinking 8-4 with many thinking 7-5....
There is a thread about field turf because there's back-and-forth right now in the ND administration on whether to go forward with it. To say it's a done deal and that you got that from our board is... odd.
It seems like big portion of your post is just stuff you made up to say "oh look at those crazy stupid Domers!" I don't get it. Shrug.
They have some serious athletes in the front 7 (Te'o, Lynch, Shembo, Tuitt, Ishaq Williams, Louis Nix is a monster).
While they have senior leadership in the secondary (Slaughter, Motta), they are obviously concerned with the CB position. Luckily for Tee Shepard his heart condition was found, but this did not help ND at all.
Slaughter getting reps at CB shows that they have a problem there, Slaughter has started at safety for 2 seasons while battling injuries. They need someone to step up in the worst way out of Bennet Jackson (moved from WR to CB last year), Lo Wood, or Josh Atkinson.
I'm not sure if it matters who wins the starting job at QB, Crist won the job last year and was rewarded with 1 half of football. Personally, I hope that kid does well at Kansas, I think he got a raw deal.
Bennett Jackson has looked great. Everybody is raving about him. So basically it is Lo Wood vs Atkinson for the other CB spot.
That point on the QB could turn on to be true (sadly for us). Rees is going to look the best in camp of course, because he has the most experience. But he has the lowest ceiling of all of them. You know what your going to get from Rees. Youll beat the ok and below teams. Struggle with good teams, and lose to the elite badly. Nobody wants rees. Crist did get screwed, and all us domers wish him the best.
That kid is huge, it seems like he could play a number of positions. I remember during his recruitment he was mentioned as a TE, DE, and possibly even gaining weight and playing on the offensive line.
Niklas switched to TE this spring. The staff feels confident enough that Ishaq Williams will come through in the future, and Ben Councell (RS Freshman) has a lot of promise too. Niklas's nickname is Hercules, and as you said, he is huge. 6'7 and just jacked. Basically, we looking to the NE Patriots for inspiration on offense this year. We will be doing a lot of 2 TE sets with Eifert just catching passes, and whoever comes out behind him pass blocking. Niklas has showed a lot of promise already, and hes definetly somebody to look out for down the road.
Last year I couldn't believe how he could move at his height. I figured eventually he would end up at TE or DE, he could be scary good at TE.
ND has been killing it at TE the last decade: Fasano, Carlson, Rudolph, Eifert, now Koyack and Niklas.
I wonder why the poster Irish has been so quiet lately. Hopefully he's okay. His profile shows no activity over the past six months or so.
I kind of miss that guy.
I live 10 minutes from the campus of Notre Dame here in South Bend, IN (Yes there are plenty of "Blue in South Benders" around here. All I have to say is...." TA HELL WITH NOTRE DAME"
GO BLUE!! Hoke in yesterday, Hoke for today and Hoke FOREVER!!
5 minutes from campus and there are a lot more Michigan fans here then people think.
Tommy Rees: Lacks accuracy
Andrew Hendrix: Accuracy issues
Everett Golson: Biggest accuracy issues
Gunner Kiel; Freshman; Lacks understanding of the offense
Denard Robinson: Accuracy issues, especially when throwing off of back foot
Every-college-QB-not-a-lock-to-be-a-1st-round-NFL-draft-pick: Accuracy issues.
They've recruited pretty well under Kelly over the past couple of years and should have a good team this year.
But the schedule. The first 7 of 8 games look to be quite challenging.
Whew. I was worried that the sacred grass field had been abandoned by the old-guard alumni! That's the conservatism I like to see.
8-5 sounds reasonable with that tough schedule. Hopefully Michigan pulls it off yet again. This streak is pretty nice and looks attractive on my mantel.
Speaking of Notre Dame...anyone have a link to the end of UTL with the Notre Dame announcer? Can't seem to track it down on You Tube and need to make a permanent bookmark to that. Never fails to make me smile. The most deflated "touchdown" call ever.
poor thrower indeed! I don't remember hearing that part before. Thanks a bunch, this is always a treat to watch and is now bookmarked.
Each update you give there should be a 'C'Mon Man!' section where you post the most ridiculous things said by Notre Dame fans.
....that you will never see unbridled homerism on this board.
am looking forward to similar threads on MSU and Ohio. Just curious to see the discussion on them and whatever response their fans might have in that thread.
Word with reputable sources are calling Hendrix as the leader with Golson second. Rees will be with the Red Hat brigade before long.
As for Lynch, he really misses his fiance, who is back in FLA. I suspect that the next time something like this happens, he gone.
Not quite sure whos got what on field turf, there is construction at the stadium but no one was able to confirm field turf. The Old Milkshakes are steadfastly refusing to put up with turf and jumbotron talk.
If you are speaking about NDNation or the like, then yes that play is as delusional as most delusional UM boards. irishenvy.com is where to cool people hang out. We had a facebook group started by Tee Sheppard that has de-evolved into a cess pool of idiots who think that tweeting recruits will help them get the recruits to sign with ND and get themselves a job with rivals.
Your beacon of sanity is called irishenvy.com?
Notre Dame has been the biggest mystery this past decade. Even with some of the the top talent and far easier schedules they were mediocare at best. gone through 4 coaches and really all i keep seeing is the same team.Think bout all the top QBs theyv commited only to transfer. Sharpley, Frazer, Jones, Crist all transfered in the past 5 years. Great campus and top notch academics but average football at best. Hard to belive but ever since Holtzsss retired program just hasnt been the same
Played golf with my good friend from ND and I think he's finally seen the light. He hates every QB on the roster, thinks they will get smoked by Michigan and end up going 7-5. I could not believe the words coming out of his mouth but I think the past 15 years are finally starting to take their toll. He even declared ND a basketball school now which is sad but true.
Please keep them coming. Thanks.
Just to follow up on the original post: I've heard some differen things in terms of how things will pan out. First, in speaking with a football player, according to him, it's Golson's job to lose at this point. The only concern with Golson is that he is not grasping the offense like Kelly wants him to. However, his immense talent makes up for that. Either way, not only do fans want Rees not to start, but the players don't as well. People love him as a person, but he's just not the right fit at QB.
The field turf thing I haven't heard at all, and I just refuse to believe that. ND's field is by far one of the worst in the nation. It's not kept up very well, uneven at points, etc. But ND fans and the administration view it like Lambeau... regardless of quality, it's hallowed ground. I think Kelly has stepped on enough toes already and that one is going too far. The administration isn't going to undertake immense construction and millions of dollars to please an 8-5 coach.
Finally, ND fans are more than delusional, they're insecure. It's as though you cannot speak of another school because merely stating that another school is good, to them, is saying that ND is bad. What's worse is that the majority are exteremely uninformed (i.e. believing their business school is #1 in the nation because BusinessWeek not USNWR, said so, or that the reason they aren't good in football is because of their high academic standards for incoming athletes). The extereme misinformation, mixed with their immense passion, equals for the delusion which you are talking about.
OP, I'd love to know what forums you're scouting out. I can't seem to find any decent ones no matter how much I look. Please post where you read, I'd appreciate it.
You're saying that Business Week, who uses clear metrics that make perfect sense and look strongly at things like job placement, is not valid because......?
You say "insecure," I'd say they're only rational defending the academics. ND's degree has an ROI second to only Stanford in schools that play FBS football and is equivlent with Yale. Maybe you're the one who is uninformed.
Also, why on earth would you go to ND for grad school? The grad schools at ND suck.
As for the academic standards excuse.... you couldn't be more correct. It's a ridiculous cop out with no basis in fact. The foreign language requirement has hamstrung ND with a couple recruits, but "academic requirements" wouldn't make a list of the top dozen+ reasons why Notre Dame is awful at football. It's a sad, sad excuse.
Thanks for proving my point in one single post....
Kelly's so dislikeable because he's one of those guys who just cannot hide how arrogant he truly is. I'd put Petrino in that category too. It's just written all over them. At least guys like Tressel, while arrogant, were convincing enough to hide it. But not Kelly.
Remove the grass that Rockne coached on and the Four Horsemen played on from Notre Dame stadium?
Next thing you know they'll be joining a conference ;-)
I work with an ND fan who just told me two days ago to "take it to the bank" that ND only loses to Oklahoma and Stanford, beats Michigan and USC by double digits, and goes to the National Championship Game.
been thinking that they'll be AHEAD of Michigan by double digits, only to lose by 4 in the final minute for the 4th season in a row.