Some exerpts for O-zone's "Michigan Monday"

37 posts / 0 new
Login or register to post comments
Last post
November 6th, 2012 at 11:41 AM
#1
DamnYankee
Joined: 07/15/2008
MGoPoints: 267
Some exerpts for O-zone's "Michigan Monday"

http://theozone.net/football/2012/ByeWeek/MichiganMonday.html

 

2 key observations....

 

"The interior offensive line had a rough day for the Wolverines. On the first drive of the game Elliott Mealer pulled on a running play, but couldn't get to the play in time and Toussaint was tackled for a one-yard gain. Mealer hasn't been able to get to the play a lot this year, yet Al Borges continues to think he can.

Then two plays later Mealer got dominated on third and three and gave up a sack to Ra'Shede Hageman, who simply swatted Mealer away.

Guards Ricky Barnum and Patrick Omameh had similar games. When they pull, they may or may not get to their man. Both lack the necessary mobility to make this running attack work as well as it could.

Denard Robinson does a fantastic job minimizing the offensive line's weaknesses, but nobody else does."

 

"It continues to be a very dull double-edged sword for Toussaint. Half of the time there is no where for him to run, the other half of the time when there is somewhere to run, he can't make anybody miss."

 

I am not sure I agree with his assessment of Omameh's mobility since it was his main asset in RR's offense.

Top
Tags:

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:45 AM | Substitutions (Score:0 Normal)
November 6th, 2012 at 11:51 AM | No it doesn't.  They're (Score:5 Normal)
oriental andrew
oriental andrew's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 4590

No it doesn't.  They're (probably) not as strong, not as familiar with the offense, and not as familiar with opposing defenses.  The redshirts will benefit them more than burning them, as long as we have serviceable upperclassmen in those positions.  Only way you see true frosh OL play is if we have injury issues arise. 

For my privacy, my new username is "non-Oriental non-Andrew"
 

November 6th, 2012 at 11:59 AM | Especially this late in the (Score:1)
Lionsfan
Lionsfan's picture
Joined: 06/03/2011
MGoPoints: 3945

Especially this late in the season. Even if we had injury I doubt the coaches put any of the frosh in, just not worth it at this point

If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?

StraightDave owes me a steak dinner

November 6th, 2012 at 1:46 PM | OL isn't a spot where you (Score:2)
The Shredder
The Shredder's picture
Joined: 07/01/2009
MGoPoints: 3733

OL isn't a spot where you just throw Frosh out there. It isn't RB or WR.

http://midnightmaize.blogspot.com/

Latest MM Post(3-22-13) Devin Booker Mini Scouting Report

November 6th, 2012 at 2:26 PM | True Freshman O Line (Score:2)
johnvand
johnvand's picture
Joined: 02/04/2010
MGoPoints: 3238

One of two things are true if you're playing a true freshman on the Oline:

  1. He's a once in a decade talent.
  2. Your depth is screwed, and you're in for some pain.

Kalis is the only one of the bunch who might fit into #1. 

The Bryant injury has kinda screwed up the competition level on the Oline.  The 5 best are on the field and there's a significant drop off to #6 right now since the Freshmen aren't ready.

This will be the norm until about 2014/15 when the Oline depth gets back to where it needs to be.

November 6th, 2012 at 11:55 AM | For what it's worth, I recall (Score:5 Normal)
chitownblue2
chitownblue2's picture
Joined: 06/03/2009
MGoPoints: 7077

For what it's worth, I recall Brian being pretty critical of Omameh's pulling ability in the past.

wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

November 6th, 2012 at 12:03 PM | Someone (Score:-1 Overrated)
November 6th, 2012 at 12:14 PM | He wasn't pulling on that (Score:5 Normal)
Michael Scarn
Michael Scarn's picture
Joined: 01/21/2011
MGoPoints: 1230

He wasn't pulling on that play.

November 6th, 2012 at 12:17 PM | Insert here Brian's analysis (Score:2 Normal)
redhousewolverine
Joined: 08/17/2010
MGoPoints: 822

Insert here Brian's analysis on why Lewans ufr numbers were so low early last season and concluding that Omameh's difficulty pulling left led us to run right for a significant portion of last year. He has improved but Omameh's ability to excel in space has been a casualty to the coaching/offensive philosophy switch. I think I remember Brian thinking Omameh wasn't able to keep his ample agility as he put on more weight. Just because Omameh was a RR OL recruit doesn't mean he has retained his nimble ability to maneuver in the field.

"The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates.

November 6th, 2012 at 12:20 PM | but but but DONKEY its funny (Score:2 Normal)
chitownblue2
chitownblue2's picture
Joined: 06/03/2009
MGoPoints: 7077

but but but DONKEY

its funny when people just remember memes and not performance.

wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

November 6th, 2012 at 1:21 PM | Well I think the question is (Score:5 Normal)
ChasingRabbits
ChasingRabbits's picture
Joined: 01/19/2010
MGoPoints: 1242

Well I think the question is more with the reason he gave for his poor pulling.  "Lacks the mobility"....  DONKEY would say that this might not be it.  I see now the Magnus has questioned his feet.  That to me says agility more than mobility.   He does suck on pulling, and i would also argue his assignment recognition while pulling sucks, which has nothing to do with mobility or agility. 

Its funny when people just pick on other people rather than discuss the actual topic. 

 

Go Blue!

November 6th, 2012 at 4:33 PM | A slight non-sequitor (Score:2)
Mmmm Hmmm
Mmmm Hmmm's picture
Joined: 09/12/2010
MGoPoints: 443

But this is part of my biggest pet peeve about broadcasting.  I do not know whether it is intentional, but most announcers refuse to criticize "stars".  Almost every player has good plays during a game and some average-to-bad plays, especially on the college level.

UFR of course is not the be-all-end-all of evaluation, but it is much more than a non-football person like myself could ever put together on my own, so it is a good enough proxy for performance for me.  I recall that Omameh had some games where he pulled better, and others where he had trouble.  I did not pick up on what the different circumstance(s) of Omameh's better games, but obviously he was able to succeed at times.

November 6th, 2012 at 11:57 AM | Something Fairly Significant... (Score:2)
LSAClassOf2000
LSAClassOf2000's picture
Joined: 01/07/2011
MGoPoints: 8947

"The good news for the Wolverines is that they rushed for 155 yards without any aid from Denard Robinson. That doesn't sound like a lot, but at least it's something." - from the article

Minnesota qualifiers aside, this is actually rather significant considering there have only been two other games this season where players not named Denard Robinson have contributed more than 155 yards of net rushing - UMass (188) and Illinois (225) - and, of course, Robinson was in those two games. It points to the rushing game - with some work in other areas - being pretty decent post-Denard as well, and that in combination with Gardner's performance is very encouraging, at least to me.

 

"Funny isn't it, how naughty dentists always make that one fatal mistake."

Follow the random tweets of a Michigan alum - http://twitter.com/#!/LorneEC3

November 6th, 2012 at 12:09 PM | w/o a QB, even (Score:2)
superstringer
superstringer's picture
Joined: 02/04/2009
MGoPoints: 1015

Devin pointed out post-game what was painfully obvious during the game -- he wasn't being asked to run during the game.  No backup on scholly with two operational arm nerves.  So, by the second half, Minnie had to know Gardner was no threat to run much, and yet the RBs still put put the pedestrian numbers they did.

Why am I so not relieved.

November 6th, 2012 at 12:01 PM | Omameh is an okay zone (Score:4 Normal)
Magnus
Magnus's picture
Joined: 07/17/2008
MGoPoints: 27791

Omameh is an okay zone blocker and releases downfield pretty well, but his footwork when he pulls is pretty inconsistent.

I've said all along that I think Omameh would have made a better tackle than a guard.  He doesn't have the frame to play guard, and if he were playing tackle, he wouldn't have to pull.

Twitter - Recruiting Update: June 17

November 6th, 2012 at 12:13 PM | Honest Question (Score:1)
DLup06
Joined: 01/05/2009
MGoPoints: 233

Would the line be better off with Omameh at RT and Schofield on the interior?

(Not advocating a switch this late in the season, but more playing a pre-season hypothetical)

Wiggum: Do they have Krusty partially gelatinated non-dairy gum-based beverages?
Lou: Mm-hm. They call 'em, "shakes."
Eddie: Huh, shakes. You don't know what you're gettin'.

November 6th, 2012 at 12:29 PM | Based on what I saw from (Score:2)
Magnus
Magnus's picture
Joined: 07/17/2008
MGoPoints: 27791

Based on what I saw from Schofield last year and what I've seen from Omameh in 1.5 seasons under Hoke/Borges, yes, I believe flopping Schofield and Omameh would be a better lineup.

Twitter - Recruiting Update: June 17

November 6th, 2012 at 2:04 PM | Agreed (Score:2 Normal)
Pete99
Joined: 11/11/2009
MGoPoints: 217

Agreed

November 6th, 2012 at 12:14 PM | This line was brought in by a (Score:1 Normal)
Chi-Blue
Joined: 04/30/2011
MGoPoints: 425

This line was brought in by a different coach to play a different system. Yes, I know they are running pretty much the same running stuff, but its being coached by guys that are not experts or fans of the system. Also we have to remember that because of the RR recruiting issues we have no depth, and its not like Mealer, Omomeh, or even Barnum were even close to being All-Americans who were going to really do great things at Mich. Please dont take that to mean I dislike them, but the Offensive line has the longest way to go of any position group at Mich. Hoke knew/knows that, and our desire to take 10 plus scholarship lineman in the last two classes is proof of that. Yes we needed numbers at the position, but just as important is the fact that we needed a huge upgrade in talent.

 

November 6th, 2012 at 12:15 PM | I don't pay attention to the (Score:2)
JimLahey
JimLahey's picture
Joined: 01/18/2011
MGoPoints: 2369

I don't pay attention to the individual O-linemen like the better football minds on this site, but has Christian Bryant received any playing time, and if so how has he looked? He is kind of important going into next year, no?

I've decided to lay off the food for a while, and go on the booze.

November 6th, 2012 at 12:16 PM | He tore his knee in (Score:3 Normal)
chitownblue2
chitownblue2's picture
Joined: 06/03/2009
MGoPoints: 7077

He tore his knee in pre-season and is re-habbing

wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

November 6th, 2012 at 12:18 PM | Ah, I remember that dong (Score:2)
JimLahey
JimLahey's picture
Joined: 01/18/2011
MGoPoints: 2369

Ah, I remember that dong punch now. Thanks.

I've decided to lay off the food for a while, and go on the booze.

November 6th, 2012 at 12:21 PM | I thought he broke his tibia? (Score:1)
redhousewolverine
Joined: 08/17/2010
MGoPoints: 822

I thought he broke his tibia?

"The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates.

November 6th, 2012 at 12:28 PM | That could be it. It's a (Score:2 Normal)
chitownblue2
chitownblue2's picture
Joined: 06/03/2009
MGoPoints: 7077

That could be it. It's a boo-boo on the leg-al region.

wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

November 6th, 2012 at 12:17 PM | He is missing this season due (Score:1)
JayZ1817
JayZ1817's picture
Joined: 09/17/2010
MGoPoints: 972

He is missing this season due to injury that happened during fall camp.

November 6th, 2012 at 12:20 PM | I thought Bryant was (Score:1)
DrDeath
DrDeath's picture
Joined: 07/07/2008
MGoPoints: 129

I thought Bryant was injured?  I may be wrong.

 

edit:  Beaten to the punch.  Yes, apparently he has a boo boo to his knee, out for the season.

November 6th, 2012 at 12:31 PM | It's Chris Bryant.  Christian (Score:2)
Magnus
Magnus's picture
Joined: 07/17/2008
MGoPoints: 27791

It's Chris Bryant.  Christian Bryant plays for another team.

And yes, he broke his tibia back in fall camp.  He should be ready to go in the spring.

Twitter - Recruiting Update: June 17

November 6th, 2012 at 12:38 PM | I sort of feel bad for (Score:2)
ReadYourGuard
ReadYourGuard's picture
Joined: 08/21/2008
MGoPoints: 6223

I sort of feel bad for Barnum, Mealer, and Omameh.  They seemed to have regressed as the season progresses and yet they're still asked to pull.  I applaud their effort but it seems to me that we should switch that strategy up, if at all possible. 

No MOAR pulling.

"the Spirit of Michigan...is based on a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways....and a conviction that nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours" - Fielding Yost
November 6th, 2012 at 12:40 PM | I agree if we're talking (Score:3 Normal)
Magnus
Magnus's picture
Joined: 07/17/2008
MGoPoints: 27791

I agree if we're talking about power runs, but the "inverted veer" has been effective.  I don't think you can take that out of the playbook at this point.

Twitter - Recruiting Update: June 17

November 6th, 2012 at 1:21 PM | FWIW, it was Funchess who was (Score:5 Normal)
Brian
Brian's picture
Joined: 05/26/2008
MGoPoints: 63787

FWIW, it was Funchess who was the problem on the first play mentioned. He had to down block a guy going straight upfield and lunged at him. It was ugly. Mealer is innocent there. 

MGoBlog | email 

November 6th, 2012 at 1:27 PM | In my opinion (Score:4 Normal)
ThWard
Joined: 07/10/2008
MGoPoints: 2652

If we're able to get through this entire season without burning a frosh OL red shirt, that'd be a major win.

November 6th, 2012 at 3:17 PM | When you go from.. (Score:1)
cps2010
Joined: 08/08/2009
MGoPoints: 3750

...the Rimington Award Winning NFL guy to a guy who's never started before (except maybe spot duty), yeah, there's gonna be just a little dropoff there. 

From Brian's 2012 OL Preview: (http://mgoblog.com/content/preview-2012-offensive-line)

"Rimington winner and reach-block fiend David Molk exits, and Michigan will feel that loss. How keenly depends on how senior Ricky Barnum adapts to center."

Um, yeah, not so much.

November 6th, 2012 at 4:44 PM | By the way, it doesn't look (Score:2)
Magnus
Magnus's picture
Joined: 07/17/2008
MGoPoints: 27791

By the way, it doesn't look like it's been mentioned...

...but the correct spelling in the title should be "excerpts."

Twitter - Recruiting Update: June 17

November 6th, 2012 at 11:07 PM | Look out (Score:1)
MaizeRage89
MaizeRage89's picture
Joined: 05/04/2009
MGoPoints: 554

Here comes the spelling police!!! Magnus really? C'mon

November 6th, 2012 at 11:57 PM | You spelled "come on" (Score:2)
Magnus
Magnus's picture
Joined: 07/17/2008
MGoPoints: 27791

You spelled "come on" incorrectly.

Twitter - Recruiting Update: June 17

November 7th, 2012 at 4:09 AM | Nike Kansas City Chiefs Jerseys (Score:1)
hgfmaazb2
Joined: 11/05/2012
MGoPoints: 1 
dnqrAyaJJwZM

 

Theme provided by Roopletheme; sidebars adapted from Chris Murphy.