Mike Lantry, 1972
That's Clubber Lang to u son.
Well, if he doesn't meet RR's record in the first three years, he shouldn't get any more years.
about 90% of the time
Only if you're rounding down from 100
1st year - Get Denard to stay. Pick up a few recruits like Frost and Zettel. Convince everyone to stay as well. Have a top 50 defense. Top 30 offense. Win 6+ games. Get to a bowl and win it.
2nd year - Top 20 recruiting class. No violations with the NCAA. Top 30 defense. Top 15 offense. Get 8+ wins. Get to a New Years Day bowl and win it.
3rd year - Top 10 recruiting class. Top 10 defense. Top 10 offense. Win 10+ games. Go to the Rose Bowl. (Doesn't have to win in order for it to be successful)
If we have a top 30 defense then we damn well better win more then 6 games. that should be at least 10 with a shot at the NC game. I believe 8 or 9 wins. I'm more worried about a few years down the road, when he gets his recruits in here.
I said top 50 defense and win 6+ games.
"I'm more worried about a few years down the road, when he gets his recruits in here."
yes bc rr did such a great job of recruiting lol
Hoke's recruiting classes to be as good as Lloyds, for whatever that is worth, if not marginally better. The key will be getting those recruits to play up to their potential and putting them in a position to be successful.
Why should we expect Hoke's recruiting to be better than Lloyd's? What evidence is there to suggest that a rookie B10 coach will out-recruit someone who won a national championship at Michigan?
We only win 6 games next year I will consider 2011=2008.
We should win our first 6. Not 6 total... we can legit take a look at going 8-0 with the schedule we have.. Beating ND and MSU will be HUGE for Hoke.
Also, how interesting is the game on 9/24...
I said 6+ games.
That;'s kind of like saying 0+ though unless you're willing to specify how many wins <6 we will have.
Given the question they were answering, I read it as "if we don't win at least 6 games, Hoke will not meet expectations for next year"
Make it stop!! Make it stop!! I can't handle football talk right now... I'm too excited :(
Why lower the expectations? Unless there are many transfers and complete blowout on the recruiting class this year.
We already have 12 commits, if we can add a few of the key players than the Recruting class should be fine.
RR was expected to win 9 games next year, why should that be any less. BH was hired with the assumption he will adapt to his talent. Now with a focus on defense that should mean atleast that many wins.
A 9 win season should lead to atleast a Top 10 class as Michigan has done in the past. M along with OSU are the two premiere Big Ten Programs. So that should be doable especially if the stories about BH being a good recruiter are true.
So we should not lower expecations, unless things start to fall apart. Lowered expectations means that we are not holding this coach to the same standard we did for RR.
It is extremely difficult to have a top ten offense and defense in a major conference. The truth is, in terms of yards, Auburn the national champion did not meet all of your goals for Hoke's first year. (not a top 50 defense in yards per game)
dat cuz da SEsee is da bezt.
Sorry double post, I am getting use to my iPad still.
Next week - Keep Devin Gardner and Denard Robinson!!!
Next month - Keep the 12 recruits we have and maybe add Bryant, Lucien, Rawls (if he qualifies) and a quarterback for depth.
This fall - 7 wins, one of which better be over State or OSU.
Very well written!
I believe RR would have won 9 games next year had he stayed. Not saying RR is great or not. We had an easier schedule and a maturing team. Therefore, fair or not, I want BH to keep Denard, salvage this recruiting class, win 9 games, and beat either OSU or MSU. That is the minimum expectation I have, because that is what I believe we would have had. Long term, who knows whether DB is a genius or goat. But that's my criteria.
...I think is reasonable. If he leaves, we'll have a redshirt freshman QB, probably no difference-maker at RB, and a defense that still has a long way to go, so 6-6 would be good.
From what I heard about Mike Cox in the offseason, people were saying he was the best athlete at RB, I think he can be really good for us. Fitz and Hopkins should be good better in a more traditional offense. I think RB will be a strength for us next year.
Why no mention of Shaw?
I dunno why I left him out. He could thrive and have the breakout senior year. I think we have kinda seen what we will get out of him, good but not great player. He seems to get banged up and never be at 100% though, I think he might be Carlos Browns clone.
with rr next year, but I have little enough faith in the defensive staff to believe we would NOT have beaten msu with rr here unless he had been able and willing to scrap his entire defensive staff. Unfortunately, I believe the rumor that he could not get a great dc to come here because he never would have asked anyone but casteel, who was not interested.
If he could have gotten a new defensive staff, and not interfered, I think he should have gotten more time. I think he proved he was a great oc who was unable to help the other 2/3 of his team.
Why does everyone always say the special teams were a nightmare because of RichRod? He was here for 3 years and 1 of those years we had arguably the best special teams units in the B10. Is it any wonder why special teams suffered this past year when we had injury issues and depth issues? Can you imagine if just half of the freshmen and sophomores who were either starting or on the 2 deep could have been on our special teams units this year?
I think as long as Hoke gets the defense to a medeocor (sp?) level, and a kicker. we can run the table and bring home the 2011 title!!!!
And can you pass me some Kool Aid? I want to be in as good a mood as you are.
14-0 EVERY. DAMN. YEAR!!!
What was the emo whine post? I posbang you every time I see you to bring you back from Bolivia.
inspired me to edit my sig.
fwiw I think Brians been pretty emo himself lately...there I SAID IT!!!
If I could have commented on his Hoke posts yesterday, I would have said the same thing. (please no banhammer...please?)
But having been an RR supporter to the end, I feel his pain to some extent. That said, my favorite things about Rod - his dedication to the players, the team, and the University - are also my favorite things about Hoke. And while it is a little annoying that Hoke seems to have the undying love of all the people who tried so hard to drive Rod from the program, hopefully that fact will make this transition much easier. And emo Brian will disapper with wins and Denard's smile in a winged helmet.
The only problem is that the first game isn't for eight months. We can't take eight months of emo Brian.
Is there any possibility of a point reprieve from where you are? Or will it just be the constant chipping of the cell walls that will shawshank your FuManButt outta there?
This coming year and especially 2012, assuming all of the vital pieces stay, should be 8+ win seasons. I think we'll really know where the program is headed in Hoke's third year because he'll be losing a lot of pieces from both sides of the ball after the 2012 season. Success will be relative at that point, but if he's at a place where he can reload instead of rebuild by year four, then he's probably here for the long haul.
I'll be content with focusing on 2011 for now, though.
Probably waiting for awhile. He has been here two days? Let him finish recruiting, talking to current players, installing a S&C plan, and then decide any reasonable expectations.
No, that's too slow and rational of an approach and is UNACCEPTABLE. We must all make snap judgements today on what will happen 3 years from now so we can be proven correct over time. We have no time to wait since the season is less than 8 months away.
February 1st - have salvaged the recruiting class, so he doesn't fall off in Year 3. Has a class that fills our needs of 15-20 guys.
November 26 - is competitive in The Game. Heads to a bowl.
Jan 1 - is competitive in the bowl. Finishes season with offense in top 30 and defense in top 60
Year 2 - beats Ohio, Sparty, competes for B1G Title, finishes in the top 15
Year 3 - may be tough because of this recruiting class - this is the year I judge him most on. Winning a B1G Title in Year 3 or 4 is expected. I'll expect him to compete or even fall off a bit from year 2, and win the title in year 4.