I'm not even sure it's the way you present it (no detailed facts) or just the complaining. I think it's just because this topic has been discussed ad nauseum.
so we are not allowed to be critical of Hoke/ Borges on this site? [MOD ED: It's been real]
Just fucking ugh. I can't handle some of you people anymore. I just can't do it.
I've been modding this board for a long time now. It is largely thankless work, but I did it because I love the reasonable discourse that dominates this place, and only by weeding out the ridiculous minority of content can the board remain a reasonable place. And while things were bad around here during The RichRod Implosion (an underrated spin-off of the Bourne movies), The Process, and The Hiring, I assumed things would get better when things got better.
But I was was wrong. A BCS Bowl win, a 7-3 record, and a shot at the B1G Title game later, there remains a vocal but annoying segment of the population who just WON'T. SHUT. UP. But some people just can't stand but to complain about every goddamn thing. They complain about the coaches, the players, the mods, Brian, and the general bloodymindedness of the Universe. And at this point, the juice of reasonable conversation isn't worth the squeeze of dealing with people like you.
So you know what? Fuck it. I'm out.
Sorry, Brian, but consider this my retirement.
If you're serious, could I bribe you to do a few things before you turn in your powers?
YOU get a million points... YOU get a million points... YOU get a million points...
I didn't see your first post, Blue Blue Blue, so I can only speak generally. But, I know this has come up before from other posters.
There are several places where someone can say whatever their opinion of Michigan sports is, regardless of how substantiated, intelligent, coherent, etc. it is. See: MLive, Detroit Free Press, Facebook, ESPN.com, etc. I think the mods at MGoBlog are trying to make sure this does not become one of those places. Personally, I like it that way. I like knowing that when I click on a thread here, I an expect a certain degree of reason. At least, relative to everything else on the Internet.
To address your post here itself -- the reason that people think it's ridiculous is that Hoke and company show time and time again that they can take lemons, eat them, then poop magic. If he makes mistakes, he's owed a huge deal of slack. See: OSU, MSU, bowl monkeys off of our backs.
Gardner was our second best WR. There was a lot of value putting him in the lineup, and it was a reasonable gamble. I don't think anyone could have reasonably predicted Gardner would have been so competent-to-good at QB right away either, based on previous playing time, Spring performance, etc. Also, @MINN & VS. NW <> @NU with division title on the line.
First of all, acting like lack of preparation is the reason Bellomy struggled against Nebraska is just dumb. He's ridiculously young, was playing in a hostile environment for the first time, and probably isn't that good.
Everyone, with the benefit of hindsight, realizes Gardner was the better option. We all wish he had come in at some point against the Huskers.
This has not cost us anything. If we go 7-1 and still miss out on the title game that will be awful luck, but it hasn't happened yet.
You are also bitching about a hypothetical situation where we simply fail to go undefeated in conference play. Lloyd Carr did that once. Nick Saban has done it once in his career (twice if you don't count a conference title game loss). Pete Carroll did it only twice in the midst of a historically great run at USC. Jim Tressel did it twice at OSU.
Just about everybody loses a game just about every season. Stop freaking out.
OP, you clearly need to understand how things work here.
1) Original opinions are not valued. Essentially find the posters with >5000 points and paraphrase their comments. You should be fine.
2) Posts with kittens, Hoke/Borges popular phrases like "boo-boo" and pictures of Hoke pointing all "add value". Anything resembling a criticism will be neg'd.
There is nothing original about the OP. Nothing.
I thought this was America.
But because of voting, you risk downvotes. No one is stopping you from being critical.
Also, if you are going to be critical, try to be lucid and clear in your argument for or against something. Magnus, for instance, has been quite critical of not taking a QB in every class. Because Michigan had the following:
- Shane Morris
I can understand Hoke and Borges rolling the dice and deciding to go with 4 QB. That didn't work out so well.
Getting back to your initial point, criticism is ok, but do a better job of backing it up.
Its so easy to sit there and criticize when you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes...Brady Hoke is 18-5 at U of M with a Sugar bowl win...sloppy coaching doesnt bring those kind of results. Will everyone agree with the coaching?...no and that will never be the case. If you look at the body of work Hoke and his staff has done with the players they have its simply amazing...
Wow, you have actually made a mod bow up. Congrats! And i hope you enjoy Bolivia.
Here's some advice:
-Measured criticism is generally okay. If you were to say something like "With the benefit of hindsight, how do you feel now about Gardner playing/practicing at WR the first half of the season?" you might get some jerks downvoting you, but there would be people willing to discuss that topic. It's the "Where is the outrage?" and "Why aren't we running the guy out of town?" stuff that really gets people upset.
-Let go of the RichRod-was-a-martyr stuff. Rich Rod was not a Glen Mason type who got results but wasn't appreciated. He didn't get results. His problem, first and foremost, was going 15-22, and losing his team at the end of his third season, as the Gator Bowl humiliation showed. After that game, pretty much all neutral observers in the CFB world knew his goose was cooked.
-Instead of railing at people with whom you disagree, consider why they might have an opposite perspective. This staff has gone 18-5, which I think any of us would have taken in a heartbeat back in January 2011. That good record has bought them goodwill, just as the previous staff's poor record cost it goodwill. It is, above all, a results-oriented business.
Likewise, while one can argue that Borges hasn't done the best job working with Denard (though they are nevertheless 16-5 together, and might be 17-4 if he hadn't gotten hurt against NU), our offensive success the last two weeks might suggest that Borges alone may not have been the problem. Is it unthinkable that Denard Robinson might have some fundamental flaws as a QB that opponents have thoroughly scouted by this point - flaws that Devin Gardner does not have? If anything, the last two weeks have reassured me about Borges as both an OC and QB coach.