I took the deal too. Figure it'll pay off eventually when the program turns around.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
I took the deal too. Figure it'll pay off eventually when the program turns around.
The program will turn around sooner than later.
for two years. You would think that maybe they would want to send that email my way.
Call the ticket office tomorrow and tell them you know of the deal (the details are above).
It wouldn't hurt to ask and I'd bet they will honor it for you.
Ask for Adam Dunn. He will make sure you get season tickets.
Buy low; sell high. It worked for me during the recession when the news kept on saying that everyone was cutting back on buying coffee and that everyone was going to make coffee at home to save money. Well, I bought as much Starbucks stock that I could at $15 bucks a share. Now, 5 years later, buying coffee hasn't gone away and everytime I walk past a Starbucks store, it just seems like it was such a sure bet in retrospect that I just wish I had more capital to invest in it at the time.
I'm not saying that the value of Michigan football tix will increase 6-fold in value like my Starbucks stock, but I guess I just can't imagine it going away and the stadiums sitting empty during the years when we're hosting OSU, MSU and other marquee games.
Your analogy would be appropriate if buying tickets now meant anything going forward. It doesn't. People "bought low" and attended Michigan basketball games for years. When the team got better and demand increased, those people had to pay more, move to crappier seats, or give up their tickets.
This athletic department has given every indication that they will extract as much money as they can for every ticket they have to sell. Just because there isn't much value in those tickets now doesn't mean that you will get a better deal when there is. If and when tickets increase in value, you will still have to pay for them.
By becoming a season ticket holder, you're buying the ROFO and the ROFO allows you to capture the upside.
If you're familiar with options trading or commercial contracts, you may recognize that the ROFO gives you the option to purchase (in this case, tickets to specific seats). If you choose to exercise the ROFO, then you can capture the economic value. In this case, the economic value lies in the spread of the "street value" minus the "face value". Depending on the inputs, this spread may be negative, zero or positive. The scenario that you are describing is one in which the "face value" increases, but you have not accounted for possible increases in the "street value". The only number that really matters is the net number, i.e., the "spread", and so long as the "spread" is positive, then you will make money on this trade.
If my thesis is too abstract, perhaps another example would illustrate my point.
I am a season ticket holder for the NY Jets (yes, my NY teams rhyme - Mets, Nets, Jets).
My tickets are on the 7th row on the 25 yard line. I have had them for close to a decade and I pay approximately $6,000 a year for them (about $1,500 a seat for 4 seats). The way it used to work was that so long as I bought my season tickets each year, I had a ROFO to buy my same seats next year.
A few years ago, this changed. The Jets (and the Giants) instituted PSLs. This meant that they were essentially going to charge me for the ROFO. I had to purchase a PSL for the "right to purchase" my season tickets. Therefore, I was forced to pay $60,000 ($15,000 for 4 seats) in order to purchase the PSLs, which are essentially just a "right to purchase" my season tickets (to be clear, I also have to pay a separate amount each year to purchase the actual season tickets)
Therefore, my point is that the "right to purchase" tickets does have economic value, and in fact, some organizations monetize them. The Jets monetized this right by requiring a lump sum payment upfront in the form of a PSL. Michigan indirectly monetizes this right by requiring a certain amount of donation (PSD) and continuous purchases of season tickets.
In conclusion, if you are thinking about this economically, then the value of the season tickets equal the sum of (1) the value of the actual season tickets plus (2) the value of the ROFO to purchase current and future season tickets, which can provide you with an economic value equal to the net present value of the deltas between the street values and the face values that I noted in my prior post.
I don't thing you understand how the PSD works. It's not comparable to your jets example. What this offer from the AD is doing is removing the PSD for this year only. The OP will have to pay the PSD next year and all years moving forward. I'm not sure the amount of donation (right to purchase in your example) is normally needed but the AD is setting that at $100.
So in this situation the $100 is the only real number that matters. If michigan wins the NC and that donation to be able to get season tickets increases to $1000, the OP maybe made did ok by sneaking in this year for $100. But I guarantee the street value of his 2014 tix is still less that the $100 plus tickets costs. Further, this AD will never price season ticket costs below street value. That much is clear.
Yes, I think I know how the PSD works since I've been paying it since it was first instituted. My point was merely that a PSL is a one-time lump sum in order to license the right to purchase, whereas a PSD is a continuous annual payment in order to obtain the right to purchase. The PSD/PSL is still the payment necessary to obtain the "right to purchase."
The point that you are making is a limited one. You are assuming that you can get season tickets any year. For example, in future years, season tickets may no longer be available to be purchased. Furthermore, a more relevant example is that the particular seats may not be available. Therefore, if you were to gain the right to purchase tickets in Section 1, Row A this year, that would be your right ad infinitum until you discontinue being a season ticket holder or stop paying PSDs. Therefore, this gives you a right to the economic value that I noted, which is essentially the net present value of current "and future" spreads between the street value and face value.
I think everyone knows that this year's schedule is sub-par, but the folks who are locking in prime seats or becoming season tickets this year are putting their faith in the fact that future teams and schedules will make it worth their while.
How does the 65 inch HDTV for 2-3K enter into the demand equation? For the first time in like 13.8 billion years, barring some rare archaeological find, inexpensive TV's with great resolution have changed the viewing experience. Even with the recovery from the recession, there is a common theme at a vast number of major programs where fans are forgetting to show up for games.
I believe some of what is happening at Michigan is W's and L's, but our lack of recent success doesn't tell the whole story.. In the past, when was student attendance so poor? Why is NCAA football attendance dropping nationally?
I'm not sure who you are referring to "locking in prime seats". This post referenced the AD offer, which is for endzone seats. The OP is paying $100 plus $1000 ($1100 total) for endzone seats that he likely can stand outside the stadium and pay $300 for the season ($20 each game plus $180 for PSU). So right away the OP is $800 down. Assuming no cost of capital, the OP can skip this terrible season and have $799 next year which will likly cover any entry donation and pay a portion of the PSD and still be ahead.
This AD is very good at pricing down the demand curve and they have a specific strategy to align face value with street value. What they have actually found out is they can charge loyal customers more than street value - a great business to be in for sure. So maybe you are waiting for the day when season ticket holders are given money back from the AD, but I think you'll be waiting a while. Meanwhile the OP can invest that $800 today and be well prepared for when that day comes in 20 years or more.
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and ask it. Is the 100K streak in jeopardy?
Consider this: would you be willing to sacrifice that streak if it meant REAL reform coming to Michigan football (I.E. us getting Jim Harbaugh or someone as good)?
The only reform the program needs are for "fans" like you to never be seen or heard from again.
simply is not true. This is not a program that has been legitimately competitive in the BCS era. It really defies belief that fan interest has maintained to even the extent that it has. And last year was UGLY. Hoke has this year, if the product does not meaningfully improve changes will be forthcoming. Last year Michigan went from a program fighting to stay relevant to a punchline. It is not a happy thought but it is reality.
I agree with ijohnb. Although I wouldn't go so far as to say it defies belief that fan interest has maintained to the extent that it has. I can believe a lot, as Han Solo said, and this is a very, very popular tradition and brand we're talking about. And it was less than a decade ago that we were in the national title hunt until the last game of the year, so I guess I disagree with the idea that we haven't been legitimately competitive in the BCS era.
But none of that is the point. The point is that last year was UGLY, M football appears to be in bad shape - or horrible shape compared to 1969 - 2006, and that Hoke has at best a 50/50 shot to return if this year is as bad as last.
I can imagine a lot
/step up yo nerd game
But the king is naked...
I don't like hearing negative criticism either about things I hold dear to me, but it needs to be said by someone.
Settle down. The reason I even asked the question in the first place is this: if we go 8-4 this year, Hoke should be fired- I believe that completely. But I don't think Brandon will actually fire him unleses there is an outright revolt by the fanbase (which would include many empty seats). Obviously if I had it my way, the team will go 11-1 or 12-0 and Hoke goes on to a hall of fame career- another transition would suck ass and anyone who actually wishes the team would fail for that reason is a moron (or simply Phil in Scio Township). So yes, if Michigan has a year that is a micro-improvement over last year but is still obviously not heading in the direction of "elite" (like 27 carries for 27 yards type games, for example) I would hope that fans would express their frustration in ways that will be heard by Brandon. No I don't want this team to fail just to bring change for change's sake.
Oh, Brutus... you used to be my rock. Your cool reasoning and constant level headed input kept me grounded while the rabble rousers screamed for blood.
Now who will I upvote constantly!? Who, I ask, who!?
I suppose cheekiness doesn't translate well on the internets. I asked a question, I didn't make a statement.
oh, I can't stay mad at you...
If he wanted to come he knew the offer was there. He wanted to go to the NFL and he did. If he would have come it would have been awsome but he probably would have left eventually. NO reason to explore this any more as if we were so close...
You think we would've learned with the previous coaching staff. Support our players, support our coaches, and support our team. If they're not good they'll be fired. So sick of the in fighting in the fanbase.
If I hear this one more time I'm going to shit. I'll give you this. We SHOULD put ALL of our faith in Hoke this year. Because if he doesn't deliver, it's over. And it's not because he didn't get support.
There is literally zero chace Hoke will be back next year if we have a season like last year. Lack of renewals will be even higher than they are now.
And this is not just because of a crappy product. It certainly helped, but if tickets were still $50 per game I guarantee less people would be getting rid of them. Brandon has pissed so many people off that shit is finally starting to hit the fan. Brandon didn't listen. You can bet your ass he's listening now.
You would be surprised at the amount of people who want us to fail this year. What Brandon has done was done at tons of other schools MSU bball, PSU, Ohio. We also have a massive south campus athletic upgrade coming, and Yost, and Crisler got renovated. We're # 2 in athletic departent revenue in the nation. I absolutely loathe uniformz and other stuff and I don't love him but he's not the antichrist to where I won't go to the games because of him.
We also don't win jack shit in football which OSU and MSU have done recently. It really is apples and oranges.
Also Penn State has rows and rows of empty seats lately because of exactly the same things happening here. You cannot charge people out the ass for a shitty product WHILE treating loyal fans like shit and expect it to work because you have some dream of a campus wide renovation.
You keep getting irritated when people say they're not renewing, but do you have any experience with owning season tickets or know someone with season tickets? Or have any idea how the victors club works? Or any inside knowledge of what goes on in the athletic department?
Yes I have two tickets. They're basically the same cost as last year. I'm pissed at the people not renewing because product shouldn't apply to Michigan. I was hoping we were one of the few sacred fanbases loyal as hell but we're just another Miami Hurricane or USC Trojan fanbase who scatters when the team is playing bad. Yes I want to win bad and renovating the campus is absolutely vital. We have some of the worst facilities in the league. You won't go to Michigan games because of David Brandon? Really? I would probably still go to Michigan games if Bin Laden was our AD. I love Michigan more then I'll ever hate one guy.
That might be true, but having the best volleyball arena or wrestling arena should be put on the back burner if the main cash cow isn't producing.
I want all Michigan teams to win, but the reality is most people really don't give a crap besides the football, basketball, and hockey teams.
And you can't compare us to Miami or USC when their fans don't get charged nearly the amount Michigan does. The argument doesn't work. Stop doing it. You realize we have some of the most expensive ticket prices in the country right? Only problem? We're the only team that is crappy that charges those kind of prices.
I present to you, a blast from the past. When this stuff was only in the beginning stages:
this times one million. I know we pat ourselves on the back for underwriting all these non-revenue sports, but keep in mind that is underwritten by football's success, which in turn is underwritten by the school. If football falls off the tracks for an extended period of time, the school will need to step in.
Yes, while the AD manages its own budget, the school has acted as a backstop on numerous occassions. I believe the operating debt of the AD (short term financing for construction projects) has the school written in as a co-signer to lower interest rates, and I know during the 2010 season, many of the suites were 'occupied' by University organs.
like Brian said, DB is just a bro writing a check, nothing more. I will tip my cap to his fundraising ability, getting Stephen Ross to write a $100 million dollar check was impressive though.
I agree, but I am one of the many that did not renew my tickets this year. It was strictly a finacial decision, and has nothing to do with the team. As much as I want Michigan to win, whether I go to games or not has nothing to do with on field performance. I will go to support my team no matter what, and enjoy the experience of a Saturday in Ann Arbor.
I love Michigan more than Dave Brandon. However, I refuse to renew my season tickets with that douchnoggle in charge of our athletic program. Instead I am redirecting my donation to the school of education, where I feel my donation will be better used and not to glad hand Brandon's corporate buddies. So yeah, I am taking a stand. I will still go to games, but I am purchasing through stub hub and my friends.
Secondly, you will not convince me it is a better financial decision to obtain tickets through the AD and not the secondary market. Every study has shown a full season when combined with PSL's is a poor investment when compared to the secondary market.
offer that you can't get on the secondary market is an opportunity to get to know surrounding ticket holders, sit in the same spot and develop some comradery. Unfortunately, with the volume cranked up during any downtime it is becoming increasingly difficult to talk at games. This in turn makes it challenging to develop the comradery comparable to years past. Here's hoping they eventually develop some balance between piped in music, ads and just letting things be.
Agree. There were some great people in the bottom 1/4 of sec 41. I will miss them. However, my checkbook won over this time. When it comes to saving up for a mortgage down payment and luxuries like michigan football, a house will always win.
I also don't pay for my ticket directly. My uncle gives me one for helping him with stuff thoughout the year. But to see the way Brandon treats people that have been season ticket holders since the early 70s I wouldn't bother to buy them after this year either if we suck. I'd do what he said he might do and cancel them and just buy them for certain games on stubhub.
It's really starting to feel not worth it anymore to go to games the way Brandon has changed the parking and everything else and made everything about money. Charging people out the ass is not worth all the upgrades he's promising. You can say people might be living in the past, but if you completely brush off the past you end up with what we have. I also find it funny that he likes to modernize everything we do EXCEPT the coaching staff.
On field product will fix a lot of ills. I am on Hoke's side, but it is not uncommon for there to be a transitional coach when a program is coming back up. We saw it with the Pistons before Chuck Daly, and with MBB with Tommy Amaker before Belein. This is the year to see whether there is enough progress to warrant sticking this out with Hoke or we need to transition to a Championship caliber coach.
It remains to be seen if Hoke is that guy or not, but the results on the field should make it clear one way or another.
I would also argue that expecting the University of Michigan to identify Championship caliber coaches and put them in place IS supporting the team. Anything less is a disservice to Michigan Football and the student athletes that are on the field each Saturday.
can we stop the Harbaugh talk? It ain't ever happening.
In the realm of possibility at current ticket prices and a fanbase that's generally disappointed with recent results, yes.
Another 7-6 year, and it's
I've never had season tickets. If i start getting these emails you know things are bad.
I have heard that both student ticket sales and season ticket renewals are down somewhere around 8%. I can't confirm the accuracy of that number, but I would be interested to hear from someone with more information on the topic. This seems consistent with the effort to move season ticket packages.
So what did they cost?
Wheels are coming off?? I cant see how you could make a conclusion like that from the email. The schedule isnt very good and results on the field havent been great so they have to get a bit more creative and go further down the list this year...for all we know, the AD probably expected a lower renewal rate and so had plans in place to make it up for this year as you are seeing.
And if i read the above correct, the deal worked just as intended for the first two posters on this thread so it looks successful to me. Not sure how wheels are coming off applies to this.
I've been seeing that student season tickets haven't been selling either.
Any time anyone selling anything drops the price from$500 to $100, the wheels are coming off.
Yes i saw how giving the students an extra week was interpreted as a major disaster. Again i think we dont know whether this is a surprise at all to AD.
With 2015 schedule looking good and presumably the athletic dept having faith in the team, they face the choice of:
1) lowering price of all tickets this yr because of schedule. Then dealing with complaining and moaning when they lift prices by large amt in 2015 to reflect better schedule.
2) dont lower ticket prices. will result in lower renewal rate. need to go further down the list and perhaps discount one year of PSLs.
They may have known this all along and went with 2. The tone here is always that the athletic dept is panicking because they have to extend a week or discount PSLs. No way to know that this isnt going exactly how they expected it to go.
The wheels aren't coming off at all. For $100 I get season tickets on the spot, no wait at all.
In contrast the season ticket wait list at Alabama is 29,000.
I got my season tickets in 2007 for $100 donation when Michigan was saying it would take $500, and that was after a very good season and a preseason top five team. Second, Alabama has the same issue as Michigan with students and ticket holders not showing up. If they do actually have a 29000 person waiting list it would also be appropriate to point to their smaller stadium.
Their stadium is not much smaller. They've always had sellouts even during their down years. Same with Nebraska. It shows that their fans care more and don't just go when the "product" gets good.
Mayrbe...or another plausible explanation is that they are the only game in town. The lack of professional sports creates a much stronger focus on college programs. Columbus.OSU is similar...other than a hockey team that no one seems to care about, OSU is the only game in town. Large audience for a small number of seats.
And a winning program. Never underestimate the importance of W's and L's, which I believe to be the major factor in Michigan's current ticket issues.
That should never happen though. They have 6 professional teams in Ohio. I doubt they'd have the fan support issues we have if they went through a rough patch like we have. Same thing with PSU. They still have one of the best home field advantages in the nation despite having 7 professional teams in their state and crippling sanctions. They don't have the in fighting that we do with David Brandon, Hoke, etc. and just want to win.
To be fair, getting to Happy Valley from Philly or NYC is quite a bit harder than getting to A2 from Detroit. just because your state has lots of sports teams doesn't mean collegees that are hundreds of miles away from those cities won't be "the only game in town" relatively speaking.
State College has about 40,000 people and is in the middle of nowhere. Most of their fans are coming from Pitt or Philly. Not selling your tickets because of tough times for the football team would be a step towards getting Michigan back on track.
PSU went a program similar to PSDs and had issues selling tickets
The pro teams in Ohio are not near Columbus. Cincinnati is probably the closest town with pro sports and the two cities are very different worlds. I spend a lot of time in Southeastern Ohio and OSU is really the only game in town.
This is more a product of perception and performance. The home schedule would have very little impact on season ticket renewals if the program were seen as on the rise. The demand would be there to see a championship contender. If you have a poor product then demand slips.
The way you convince the fan base that you have a product on the rise is by beating your rivals. It is really that simple. The results from this season will be a tipping point one way or another. They have a weak schedule, which should be at least 9-3, more wins mean optimism and less means pessimism.
Plans are in place and they are doing everything they can to get people in those seats. I fully expect to see the return of the ticket packs and family packs.
It's been reported elsewhere here that somewhere in the range of 5-8% of tickets were not renewed which is a pretty serious drop off for one year. Whatever adjective one wants to use, there is an issue.
Not long ago, Michigan had a pretty substantial wait list for tickets. That has now completely evaporated. This is not insignificant.
So, if you consider the actual drop in "total demand" for tickets (both sold and those who wanted tickets but couldn't purchase) over the past couple of years, this number could be approaching 10% a year for a couple of years.
The effort within the Athletic Department to maximize revenues has cost the university as a whole a lot of good will amongst its most loyal supporters. This will has long-term effects.
This is the bigger story for me. I remember back in the 90s and even into the 2000s hearing about how Michigan football tickets had a long wait list for season tickets. I imagine that has been gone for at least 2-4 years now so the market is completely different.
Not necessarily the wheels coming off but I think many programs have to reprice tickets or risk fans getting out of the habit of going to games. It has already reached the point where most cupcake games aren't very intimidating atmospheres for the visitors. Losses in ticket revenue will probably be made up in the next TV deal, so why not focus on keeping fans in the seats, especially when a major recruiting/ticket sales pitch is being in the largest stadium in the country?
I know this has been the myth, that Michigan had a long waiting list, but I got my tickets in 2007 and it was because I gave a small amount of money, not different from what is going on now. I think Michigan had a waiting list but for quite some time the only way to get off the list was to give money. The reality is that in recent years Michigan has given up the facade that this is a waiting list and been more honest that you get season tickets based on donations. So yeah, I am saying Dave Brandon is running the most honest athletic department we have had in sometime.
One case is pretty much the definition of anecdotal evidence, but I'll play along.
You acknowledge that the waiting list was there, but could be bypassed with a donation to the university. I don't doubt that a donation got you tickets back in the '80's as well - but given the size of the waiting list then, it was probably not small.
There was a significant waiting list in the '80's, and people did move up slowly and eventually, after a number of years, get tickets. That list still existed in 2007, but you were able to bypass it.
But clearly, from the flurry of e-mails from the athletic department, the wait list no longer exists.
The take that the department and thus Dave Brandon are being "more honest" because "you get tickets based on donations" is a complete misplaced fallacy. The donation that got you off the wait list in 2007 and got you tickets was a 1 time thing.
PSD's are for every season and were established to extract more money from the fans and to limit the amount that Michigan had to share with the visiting teams (ticket revenues are shared, PSD's remain entirely with the home team).
PSD's and a one-time donation to be an established ticket holder are two very different things and have nothing to do with Dave Brandon's honesty. There are numerous posts on that subject here, so there is no need to beat that dead horse.
What years are you referencing the long wait list for season tickets in the 80's?
My dad and I purchased tickets through the Athletic Department for the Michigan-Kansas basketball game in 1985. We had purchased the tickets I think in the fall of '84. In the spring of '85 they sent us the order form for Michigan football tickets. We figured we'd put in a request for season tickets thinking there's no way we'd get them. We were wrong. We ended up getting season tickets for the football season. No donation and our names had never been on any wait list.
Wheels are coming off" does not equal "there is an issue".
It sounds more like a Chicken Little statement.
If that is so, that would be a significant hit. Actually, I would like to see the multi-year trend for sales - to me, that might actually be more telling regarding the mood of the most ardent fans over time. I believe there was an article a couple months ago that mentioned the trend among student ticket sales as being even more pronounced when it came to decreases, although I wonder if this year's numbers would be funky (technical term in stats, right?) because of the flirtation with GSA. Either way, it would be interesting to get the historic stats on sales.
The stats have to have enough detail to determine what is really happening. Discounting is a sign of low demand. If you discount enough, you may see full stadiums anyway. Also, ticket prices have been on the rise, so discounting may not impact the overall revenue equation much compared to 5-10 years ago. It probably needs to be broken down by number of tickets sold and average ticket price to see the trend.
it'd be interesting to see the breakdown of ticket sales to see how many our true season tickets (purchased season ticket package for all games), how many are package deals (if you want to do purchase OSU game tickets you also need to purchase tickets to 2 or 3 other home games, can't remember the details of that) and single game tickets.
I got the same message. I gave up my season ticket a couple of years ago. The season tickets that are being offered are endzone.
"Houston, we have a problem".
Breaking the 100K streak is the anti Brandon people's wet dream. Then they'll ask why no coach wants to come to a team with 25K empty seats.
you hit the nail on the head right there.
Either way, his bottom line is still right.
Speaking for myself, I am anti-Brandon, but pro-Hoke. I am pulling for Hoke to get it done this season as I believe he is getting an unfair shake due to Rich Rod's poor recruiting (besides the point).
I want the 100k record to be snapped. Just to show Brandon how his policies are alienating the non-corporate fanbase. The only way get through Brandon's thick skull is to hit him on the bottom line.
under 100,000----even if it is true.
I agree that it will be difficult if attendance drops, so they can't allow it to happen. Dave B. has to recognize that the way to stop the bleeding is by winning. If you are not winning then the next step is change. That's how this thing works! This is the year for significant progress. This is what will dictate the next steps, because the sellout streak is sacred turf and status quo is not going to cut it.
If they offered seats on the 50-yard-line with no PSD then there would be a problem. I didn't get the email because I've got season tickets. They apparently have done some nice targeted marketing. If we have a good season, my guess is you will renew your seats even if you have to pay the PSD. If even a small portion renew then the marketing worked.
EDIT: Just +1'd you as I noticed we both created our alter egos here on the same day.
It was made clear that the PSD waiver was for this year only.
Next year's schedule will be good and so will be the ticket sales. However, if Hoke cannot turn it around by then, the ticket sales for the following season will take a big hit. The financial implications of this are very serious as football supports the entire department.
I really hope Hoke turns it around as he appears to be good person who trully loves UM. But if he cannot turn it around, Brandon will be quick to make a change. He literally cannot afford not to make it.
Since we reduced the prices then there is no excuse for not showing up. You're just proving that you're fairweather fans. Here's your cheaper tickets in the endzones.
If by "fairweather fan" you mean "fan that doesn't think the in-person experience is worth the cost over the at-home experience", guilty as charged.
Pretty sure that's the fairweather fan definition. The "product" sucks so you stop going. Even though the ticket prices were basically the same last year and most of these people bought them last spring.
You don't have to attend games in order to be a fan.
If you have purchased tickets for pretty much the same prices then dropped them for 2014 you're not doing much to help your cause as a fan. I believe that tickets were 70-85 per game for a couple years at least. If you're saying that you can't afford it now then why did you pay for it before.
last year's schedule wasn't quite the absolute shitshow tis year's looks to be.
with THAT avatar, you need to post more.
You are right, everybody that did not renew is a BAD fan because the price has not changed. You must know the finacial sacrifices that they made last year, and must know that attending football games is still more important. You are a true fan, because you kept your tickets. Since you are the expert, please give a list of other things that would make me a bad fan. Am I allowed to wear a green shirt to work? Can I miss a game to go to a wedding? Can I yell at my tv when a player drops a ball, or is that overly critical? I would really like to be like you and feel like I have the right to look down on everybody else's fandom, so please let me know what I am doing wrong.
Double posting definitely makes me a bad fan.
It's not about attending games. It's about dropping them to show the man when the tickets are actually cheaper this year. It's all a mask for people not wanting to come because of "product."
By the way when i moved out here ( SF Bay area ) in the mid 80s you could buy tickets at gametime at Cal or Stanford, even with USC and UCLA coming to town. I think that is still possible in most games. We have 7 million people within 2 hours drive here.
Very different things. You can be a passionately loyal fan from the confines of your comfortable lay-z-boy and stocked fridge. No need to go to the game to prove your fandom.
I attended the University of Michigan. I've been to literally hundreds of sporting events at MIchigan. My family has produced All-American athletes for the University of Michigan. I've watched pretty much every Michigan football, basketball, and hockey game possible over the last dozen years. I spend much of my free time moderating a message board for the sole purpose of facilitating conversation about MIchigan sports. I spend much of my free time writing about Michigan sports for a website dedicated to MIchigan sports.
I don't have season tickets.
Go ahead. Call me a fairweather fan.
Did you get rid of them this offseason? Congrats. You really showed them.
It's not about going to games in total. As I explained before, it's about stopping going to games because of the team's performance. Money doesn't appear to be an excuse as it's actually cheaper for 2014 tickets. I don't really like DB but I don't hate him enough to sabotage the 2014 team and have our fanbase stop supporting the team in the Big house.
I won't call you a fair weather fan, but you do seem to be fairly arrogant and narcissistic, which is probably why you became a lawyer.
But despite my arrogant narcissism, I didn't say anything when you very clearly came back after being nuked earlier this year. So I'm a benevolently arrogant narcissist. And that's gotta count for something.
So we're clear - I was just joking.
(Though I do think the whole "My family has produced All-American athletes for the University of Michigan" was a little much)
Though I didn't say I was an athlete for Michigan. Snark is not an NCAA sport. YET.
I still support the team through my rooting preferences, and I support the program through merchandise sales and watching them on tv, whether the team and home schedule are good or not. I didn't renew because the in-stadium experience isn't worth the money I spend over the at-home experience; that's on the department for making the in-stadium experience feel like it doesn't give two shits about the fans.
Eventually people like will begin to weigh the pros and cons of going to live events, and when the in-stadium experience doesn't become worth it anymore, they will opt out. Sometimes change doesn't happen immediately, but a bad at-home schedule could be enough to push people over the edge.
Pile of horseshjt. I moved 8 hours away. Sorry my couch does the trick for Akron. Douche.
It's different for moving away then to try to make a point.
The fairweather fan argument seems silly to me. If it is fairweather fans that have been propping up the sellout streak, it would be wise to have a winner!
This is coming from a season ticket holder.
yeah I am a fair weather fan for not ponying up $1000+ for season tickets...nice strawman fallacy.
Excellent! A strawman argument deployed as part of a complaint about strawman fallacies!
I hafta remember your post for when I need an example of irony.
Jesus. Y'all are some sadistic people. It's almost like everyone is rooting for the 100k streak to end, the team to suck next year etc.
Its almost as if the original poster was trying to apologize for buying season tickets...he knew his renewal would disappoint so many on this board.
I have no problem with people not renewing for whatever reason...its a personal choice based on one's view and situation. The thing that annoys me is the glee on this board every time an email goes about season tix.
To be honest, I'm sort of rooting for the streak to end as that might be the only way to show that prices have spiraled out of control in an age where we can see the game as well, if not better, from the comforts of home.
or is it the fact people have less and less disposable income
Taxes are higher, salaries aren't keeping pace with inflation, Michigan is hurting more than other parts of the country, (oops, getting close to politics!)
My salary has increased greater than inflation my entire working career ~10 years
Are you a pimp?
Bingo, as the amount of disposable income decreases so does my tolerance for Dave Brandon's antics...
Received the same email. Any insight as to what the total cost will be this year excluding donation? Obviously the PSD will be a factor later when 2015 renewal rolls around.
Season tickets are $455 per seat, no matter where they are. There is also a $15 fee on your order (which I believe is the same regardless of number of seats). The PSD for endzone is $75 per seat, but that won't matter until next year.
$409 if you are staff/faculty
The 100k streak won't end. Even if the attendance is lower they'll probably just lie.
Similar to how Nebraska has "sold out" every game for like 30 years.
The Purdue game several years ago
Season ticket sales are worse than expected. They were expecting a down year, but not this bad.
Many of those who renewed were able to get better seats within their tier (if they requested). Others, like myself, were offered a discount to move up a tier. This leaves a sizable portion of shitty season tickets seats available (seats in the endzone). This is where they grab the next people in line on the donor list to fill these seats. Typically is was those who donated $500 or above. Apparently this crop of people aren't buying this year which is strange since they presumably donated money to capture the prestige of buying season tickets. Not this year and they weren't expecting that.
I've sat all around Michigan Stadium and I would rather sit directly behind the goal posts than anywhere between the goal line and 15 yard line.
Although it has been a very long time since I have attended a game, the endzone seats are much better than the corner.
From the endzone, you can see the blocking and holes open up for the running game better than anywhere else in the stadium.
Well, for last year, I guess you could see the defense fill the hole and get TFLs better than anywhere else in the stadium.
My seats are on the aisle that runs right up through the center endzone section. I guarantee I have a better view of most plays than 90% of the stadium. And I pay a lot less than those people along the sidelines. I just wish I were a little lower down the bowl.
I figuratively LOL'ed at the word prestige in your post.
"Nonetheless" is one word, not three.
Faxed it just for you.
...and it's what you should do.
You add absolutely NOTHING to this site or this board except sarcasm and arrogance --- and we have plenty of that already.
You seem to feel like you need to be a dick to everyone, so maybe if I'm a dick to you...you'll get it. At least if you're going to act the way you do, you can provide some meaningful conversation at SOME POINT. But no...you just lurk around waiting to show you're smarter than someone else on the internet.
That mother fucker told me to "go fuck myself" when I politely let him know he could watch new GoT episodes on HBOGo the moment they started in real time.
I mean, who does that? He's clearly a communist OR a terrorist.
It was 395 dollars last year. When you add one game for this year's team it is cheaper at face value. Tell me it's about money.
Here's to another season ticket holder! Enjoy.
Am I out of line for being mildly upset that I've been paying my PSD and now they are waiving it for some as an enticement to do what I've already done?
I'd be more than mildly upset.
and this is the policy for all new season ticket holders, regardless of this promotion.
welcome to my world as a michigan hockey season ticket holder when I see seats around me being offered for over 50% discount as part of ticket packs.
Is the PSD permanently waived with the $100 donation? If so it sounds like a very good deal - the PSDs' really suck. Or just for this year?
Waived for this year only.
He had to give a $100 donation. PSD in the end zone is $75 per seat so he received a $50 break. Big deal.
It's normally a $500 donation.
This deal was discussed on the board in detail. Now they are expanding it to prior season ticket holders. Not too surprising.
The PSD is waived, regardless of this deal, for all first time season ticket buyers. So the only difference is the buy in donation, since prior season ticket holders have already donated a lot to the AD it makes sense for the AD to give them a discount.
This is a nice opportunity for people looking to get season tickets cheap.
How many tickets are available under this offer and were you notified of your seat location at point of sale?
It's only two. The deal is, you donate the $100 by the 16th, and then they contact you with the rest of the info.
Yeah the team is down some and the schedule sucks! However, the team will be getting better and the future schedules have some quality teams coming to the Big House. BYU, Ore St, SMU, Ark, etc will be fun to watch. Enjoy them!
You don't have to explain your decision to anyone. Just make the most of every game no matter who the opponent is. Go Blue!
The games will still be on TV right? Thanks to Jim Delaney I have BTN on my television so I can see every game against every tomato can that ESPN and ABC would treat as ratings death. This way I don't need to make the short walk down the street to the stadium AND I save thousands of dollars a year AND I don't have to put up with all the bullsh!t of the Wow Experience during the game.
Personally I love Jim Delaney for this reason. I am selfish.
I think you hit on a big point. It wasn't that long ago when a handful of games every year weren't on TV and you knew the only way to see the game was to be in the stadium. Now most of those non-televised games were the 'crappy' opponents. With BTN, every game is on TV.
Add in that for a lot of games the ticket price on the secondary market is substantially lower then the face value + PSD, and it's a lot cheaper to go to a few games a year then buy season tickets throug the AD.
The band is great! The team hitting the banner gets the juices flowing! The first score.........as long as it is the team in blue shirts. Hail to the Victors!
We will return to excellence in the very near future. Book it Danno.
Why not take advantage if you can afford it? This is a good opportunity.
2014 just seems like a perfect storm for weaker than usual ticket sales for Michigan (but still would be the envy of all but a handful of other teams). A mediocre season in 2013, a sucky schedule, increased prices the last several years, and a loss of population, jobs, and income for many in the state are all factors.
......On the first pass to the high level donors. Only the ND game sold out. All other away games are now being pushed down a tier from the 400 point level to the 175 point level. Each level can get an additional 4 tickets to Rutgers, NW, MSU, and OSU. If you think you have more than 175 points and did not receive the email, login to MGOBLUE.com and purchase them.
I got shut out for ND but got 4 for MSU.
Shut out for ND too, but I will try to use the secondary market.
They should really think about actually offering those tickets to those of us lower down the point rung, instead of just offering more to the higher point total people. Maybe if some of us see the benefits of the points, we'll be more likely to donate to the AD and move up. For now, my family is going to keep donating to the School of Social Work instead of the AD.
Holy down-votes batman... It feels like everyone has at least one down-vote. sheesh.