Now winning games are going to hurt UM's shot at the NCAA tourney.
Now winning games are going to hurt UM's shot at the NCAA tourney.
Freep hates Michigan, mothers, apple pie. Film at 11.
Laughing when I read this garbage earlier.
So we essentially hurt our tournament chances by beating PSU because that subsequently lowered their RPI out of the top 50 making both wins look unimpressive.
Logic so great it makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a rusty nail.
It's like saying that a win over the #1 team in the country isn't impressive after the fact because they aren't #1 anymore.
Or that we should schedule a cupcake non-conference game at the end of the season and lose so that their RPI skyrockets and the loss doesn't seem as bad.
that only Mark Snyder can do. I'd explain it, but you wouldn't understand . . .
What's the freep?
nothing you need to know about unless you study trivial history.
Is the sound a girl makes when she sees Snyder naked
ending extending everyone's problems.
This is just another case of the Freep being run and written by idiots.
Sorry to break up the hate-fest, but it's not an especially negative article. It's not derogatory or virtriolic. It just finds a (silly, trivial) way of putting a negative spin on a good win. In other words, it's a waste of everyone's time to post crap like this, pretend it's way worse than it is, and get all indignant.
Most of the time when someone posts a link to the Freep, they are just nit-picking for ways to say "look, the Freep hates Michigan". But Michigan State fans say the same thing.
This, just as most cases, isn't a case of "the Freep hates Michigan." This is a case of the people writing at the Freep are idiots and the people allowing this stuff to be written are as well. I see what they are trying to say, but it's stupid. If Michigan loses that game then they are out of the tournament talk all together, right now, at least they have a chance (although a very small one). This is a stupid article and it should have never made it's way to daylight.
Sorry. Didn't mean to reply to you specifcally, just a general comment on the thread.
Don't ascribe to malice that which can readily be explained by incompetence.
Wow, talk about an over-reaction.
That article was actually fairly interesting and a good read. The fact is that M's win over PSU did drop them out of the RPI top-50. That's a major measure of tourney selection. It is a weird, quirky situation that the author pointed out as such. He never said that UM should have lost the game.
It's funny that MGoBlog's blind hatred of the Freep (earned in many's eyes) is so intense that it turns a fluff piece that is crediting the M coaching staff into some condemnation on the entire University.
Saying that a win hurt Michigan's tournament chances is just plan stupid when the alternative, a loss, would have practically killed them.
the article seems to be showing a broken system more than an angry slant against UM. it's very fair to say THIS win hurt their chances versus, i dunno, losing to PSU but beating Indiana instead, etc.
really reading into things here.
not really... the great thing about a season is that PSU plays again, so they have a chance to get back into the top 50.
Appreciate the effort, GeauxBlue, but the semi-worthwhile point you find in that article is nowhere to be found in Snyder's actual words. He says:
Strangely, U-M’s win at Penn State on Sunday might have damaged its bid to make the NCAA tournament . . . . If U-M had lost Sunday, it still would have had the "good" win from Jan. 2. Now it doesn't have any -- for the moment.
Please explain to me how that is any sort of comparison of the wins Michigan actually has versus the games it could have won?
Exactly right, Tom. Reading comprehension is an amazing thing.
To actually read and comprehend what most posters are saying in the comments. Most are not saying that this is the Free Press bashing Michigan, almost all just realize that this is a stupid conclusion on the outcome of Michigan's basketball win.
The OPs title doesn't speak for everyone, most aren't claiming this is anti-UM, and frankly, I'm getting tired of people posting examples of how the Free Press is against Michigan. As I said in a previous post, State fans think the Free Press hates them too. Everyone is against us is a mentality that a lot of fans use, but for the most part, it has gotten out of hand.
There are some tin hat wearing folk out there. But for the most part, nearly every comment on here said that this was just a stupid idea, and didn't note anything about this being anti-UM (aside from the OP).
Well, in my defense, the point of the thread, per the OP, was Freep is anti-UM. The article isn't anti-UM, unless you try really hard to (mis)read it that way. I'm glad that a few people see it my way (if I'm reading those comments correctly).
In my defense of probably getting a little more angry than need be, I had just finished watching a John Wayne film and apparently was channeling my inner badass Duke.
... I prefer a board where logic and reason are secondary to angry rancorous emotional rants! After all, AA is just a few miles from the 100th Angriest city in the country! Can't we please have some consistency here?
You are correct, sirs. The article was fine and made a specific points. Thank you for striking notes of reason against the paranoids who soil their shorts and cry every time they see the words "Free Press."
bfd. he did a page filler explaining how RPI work. the casual fan doesn't know how the teams are selected, they just want to know if their team is in. this article did that in a roundup format with other news bits. calm the f down.
When I first saw this I thought the title was referring to the governor. Needless to say, I was very confused as to why he suddenly became anti-Michigan.
I clicked on the link (despite my best efforts not to) simply to see how this argument was made. It isn't.
It's completely illogical and borderline idiotic. You know what, forget the borderline. No one, ever, has made the claim that it's better to lose a game to keep a "good win" in tact than to beat the same team twice.
You know why?
Because it's another fucking loss. And guess what, come tournament time, winning at Penn State (the difference in RPI between 50-whatever and 60-whatever isn't that big of a deal) is a whole lot better than losing at Penn State.
How does this stuff even make it to print?
By that twisted logic, it's better to win one game and lose one game against every team you play twice. Hope we don't beat Michigan State on March 5th lest their RPI take a hit and devalue that win at the Breslin Center.
I had no idea that the Freep starting writing comedy pieces for their paper now.
The fact that he was paid for writing that really is amazing.
that Mark Snyder is trying to tell. Snyder might be a dweeb, but he's not dumb. (I do just wish I had been close enough to take that picture of Mark on his knees in front of Denard at the OSU bball game at Crisler, begging with outstretched arms for an interview on the night Hoke was introduced. What a scene.)
Actually, the thing that is so funny to me about this story is how dumb Snyder thinks (understands?) his Freep audience is. How much he has to dumb-down concepts like the RPI, in order to get the Freep's mouth-breather readership to get it.
This isn't so much of "hatred" for Michigan (they loves them some Brady Hoke!) as it is pure salesmanship of "Michigan controversy." Just look at the Most Read, Most EMailed, Most Commented articles list, at any hour of any day. Nuthin' but nuthin' sells Freep page hits like "Michigan"...
....that Section 1 was not the author of this thread. I nearly fell over when I saw a different name at the top.
Beilein is going to be bringing his guys in pregame on Wednesday saying "now guys, if we lose to Northwestern, their RPI will go up at least 4 spots, and then we can lose to them again in the BIg 10 tournament and that'll add 2 quality losses to our resume!!"
THe Free Press is all about taking really ambitious routes in articles and writing something contrary to popular opinion...they have now tackled their greatest challenge, "prove that winning is bad for you"...we're not convinced
if you'd read the poll, you would have seen that it was a nearly equal split of fan allegiance AND an almost equal split of how much of that allegiance was an alumni base. this implies BOTH school's alumni go to where the top paying jobs are with a nearly identical amount staying in-state, making your point moot.
Sadly, they just want to sell some papers- and a controversial title (combined with bad writing) helps them sell papers than regular journalism.
FTIW i've just stopped reading the DFP - thats my contribution to them : won't click on their links, won't subscribe - they're not getting a penny out of me after what they did.
So, if you lose, you hurt your chances of going to the Tournament, but if you win, you also hurt them. Have we tried seeing if Bielein will play the remaining games to a draw? I think the only way this happens is if we get into, say, the 22nd OT and it is 4:30 AM and they decided they've had enough. It might even require some quick lobbying to change the rules themselves. Anyone up for a challenge here?
This article is as dumb as the post from football season arguing that it's ok to lose to all the good teams because it makes us look better that we lost to such highly ranked teams. I'd link it but I'll spare you the idiocy.
I hate to keep using the scene from Billy Madison, but honestly, nothing sums up this garbage more accurately....
Mr. Snyder, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
(queque Rosie's annoying voice)
"Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs."
Who is Snyder and what is the Freep. I know not of what you speak.
The article couldn't have been more innocuous. The hyper-sensitivity that exists amongst some on this board is hilarious.