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October 27th, 2012 at 11:54 PM
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Snowflakes

I see that there is already a "Devin for QB" thread and a vent thread.  Figured I would create one for general thoughts (although I expect many will be of the  Devin for QB or Vent variety).  My thoughts:

1.  The defense was solid tonight.  Dominant (save for one series) through three quarters.  As for the 4th, when a defense is on the field for the entire half, at some point, they will start to give up plays.  Happens to even the best defense.  Also, after making stop after stop and having you offense turn it back over on the next play, any defense will start to wear down.

2.  Craig Roh deserves special mention - kid has gotten better and better every game this season.  We will miss him next year.

3.  Norfleet - I know he is a bit of a cult hero around here, and I see the potential, but dude, can you please run somewhere other than into the pile on kick returns.  That said, he has jets.  If he could only figure out which way to point those jets, he would be a threat to take every kick to the house.

4.  Offense with Denard - yeah, losing him ans watching bellamy do his best Nick SHeridan impression made me appreciate Denard, but its not like we were scoring with him in the game - With Denard, we hadn't scored in 5.5 quarters.  That is pathetic.  I don't put all of this on Denard - the WRs are the worst Wr group I have ever seen at Michigan, from a talent standpoint, and we lack even a credible running back threat.  What worries me is that while Hoke has recruited well, he isn't exactly stockpiling top level Wrs and RBs.  Fitz has been terrible, V. Smith blocks like s TE, but is just not a running threat.  And Rawls is obviously doing something in practice that the coches don't like.

5.  Bellamy - cut him a break - he is a redshirt freshman.  That said, holy hell he was terrible.  AT some point, in a close game, you just have to give Gardner a try.  Its not like he is doing anything productive at WR lately.  To me,when your QB goe 0-12, he gets pulled for any other option. At least Devin is a run threat. 

I have more, but I am too numb to keep going.  This loss hurt.

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:55 PM | BORGES'D (Score:2 Normal)
ShoelaceToJunior46
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MAAAAANNNNNBAAALL

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October 27th, 2012 at 11:56 PM | snowflakes? (Score:2)
acnumber1
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It hasn't snowed yet in Ann Arbor.  (good chance we wake up  to a few inches after tonight).

5 4 3 2 1 Touchdown!

Touchdown Billy Taylor!

Touchdown Billy Taylor!

October 27th, 2012 at 11:56 PM | Each time we didn't score a (Score:5 Normal)
MGoneBlue
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Each time we didn't score a TD from within the ten, Denard was out of the game.  The offense was rolling.  

October 27th, 2012 at 11:57 PM | The defense and Gibbons were (Score:5 Normal)
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The defense and Gibbons were both great tonight. Defense would have given up less points but the offense pretty much gave Nebraska great field position every time. Denard's injury is the main concern right now. If Denard is healthy, we could probably win the next 3 before Ohio State. 

October 27th, 2012 at 11:57 PM | We win this game with Denard. (Score:5 Normal)
AmaizeingBlue
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We win this game with Denard.  Hopefully Denard is fine.  Nebraska still has to play MSU and PSU.  They need to lose one of them if we win out or both if we lose to Ohio.

October 28th, 2012 at 12:07 AM | WE WILL NOT LOSE TO OHIO (Score:3 Normal)
mm92.
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WE WILL NOT LOSE TO OHIO

October 27th, 2012 at 11:58 PM | http://www.everydayshouldbesa (Score:4 Normal)
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http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2012/4/17/2955120/al-borges-gets-money

Go Blue!

October 28th, 2012 at 12:02 AM | This offense is still a (Score:2)
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This offense is still a square peg in a round hole.

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:07 AM | And in 2008 and 2009 it was a (Score:5 Normal)
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And in 2008 and 2009 it was a fucking round peg in a square hole.  FML get it straight michigan.

"Wasn't that Michigan drive just great.  That's like Patton riding into Berlin." ~Bob Ufer

October 28th, 2012 at 12:03 AM | What I want to know is why (Score:2)
Farnn
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What I want to know is why Borges can't get any WRs really open?  Are the WRs just that bad that even with the treat of DR the DBs can easily cover Michigans receivers? 

October 28th, 2012 at 12:09 AM | Because our QBs can't read (Score:5 Normal)
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Because our QBs can't read the field...

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:24 AM | Denard is good enough at (Score:0 Overrated)
October 28th, 2012 at 12:50 PM | I don't know if you're a (Score:4 Normal)
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I don't know if you're a ticketholder, but if you are, watch our routes develop downfield.  Denard will to go to the pre-determined first read on the vast majority of his deep throws.  The safety will read his eyes and come over, often leaving another wideout completely uncovered.               This is the main reason why we almost never get deep separation.  If he could learn to look off his receivers and then go to them, he'd be much, much more effective.  (This may of course raise questions about Borges as our QB coach.  I'm actually more concerned about him there than I am about him as our OC.)  

 

October 28th, 2012 at 12:12 AM | We don't have a great deal of (Score:1)
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We don't have a great deal of speed at WR IMO.  Gallon is fast but not tall.   If Stonum hadn't been a moron he'd be our deep threat WR this season, but we really don't have a burner at WR.

October 28th, 2012 at 12:42 AM | stonum (Score:3 Normal)
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and if stonum were here, dg would be the backkup qb and we wouldn't have seen bellomy tonight

any bowl will do

October 28th, 2012 at 12:04 AM | RichRod is basking with a (Score:5 Normal)
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RichRod is basking with a fine scotch and nacho dip right now. For both reasons.

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:04 AM | On the Coaches (Borges Primarily) (Score:2 Normal)
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I really think other than Bellomy, this game was totally on the coaches, mainly Borges.  I've just about had it with Borges' conservative play calling, and he did nothing to mold around the style of play that Bellomy could work with.  Running Fitz out of the shotgun worked maybe once the entire game and the rest of the carries, he ended up running parallel to the o-line and lost four yards.  It truly looked like the offense in Rich Rod's first seaon with Sheridan and Threet running the offense. All I can say now is, I'm scared for the offense next season without Denard.

2013 will be the year.

October 28th, 2012 at 12:16 AM | Hmm... (Score:5 Normal)
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Maybe the common denominator there isn't poor play calling, but rather the lack of talented qb play.



You want the OC to be aggressive and tailor the whole offense to a freshmen QB in three quarters after working on an entirely different gameplan all week?



Doesn't work like that in real life.



No matter what happens.....They're still gonna run out and touch that banner.

October 28th, 2012 at 1:32 AM | Agreed. Bellomy missed a few of those passes badly (Score:4 Normal)
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On the first INT, Gallon had a few steps on the defender with the safety trying to come over to cover.  Throw it deep and to the outside and only Gallon can catch it.  Underthrow it, and a play with an open receiver turns into an INT.

He also missed a couple of gimmes to the flat. Compound this with a couple of drops and you get DEATH.

October 28th, 2012 at 12:04 PM | One play where..... (Score:2)
JD_UofM_90
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Bellomy completed one of his three passes near the sidelines scared the hell out of me. You like to see a nice rope of a pass thrown on these side line passes. His throw had so much loft and air under it. And then the under thrown interception had no zip on it. I really question if the kid has the arm strength to be viable backup option down the road. After last night, i am starting to think we need a 2nd qb in next years class with shane.

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October 28th, 2012 at 2:26 PM | Denard never does that (Score:2)
TyrannousLex
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does he?

October 28th, 2012 at 1:25 AM | All I want to know is how we (Score:2 Normal)
AgonyTrain
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All I want to know is how we can have a run first qb with past injury issues and a known problem with his elbow and have no credible backup if he gets hurt. How the hell is this possible? If Borges is so oblivious that he somehow thought Bellamy was ready if Denard went down I actually have more of an issue with his eyesight than his play calling.

October 28th, 2012 at 10:19 AM | I'm all for criticizing (Score:1)
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I'm all for criticizing Borges for his play calling and some of his decisions, but if moving Gardner to WR was soley on Borges, then Hoke should be fired for incompetence.  No way does the OC make a decision like that on his own, and the ultimate decision had to reside with Hoke. I'm sure they realized it was a gamble, but let's not pretend this was a decision made by just the OC.

October 28th, 2012 at 12:05 AM | This is a much more general (Score:1 Overrated)
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This is a much more general point, but if I were a coach/OC, I'd throw deep almost every time I had single coverage. That rarely ends in interceptions, and I swear I'm seeing more defensive PI called than ever before. Those are high reward, low risk, high mean yardage plays.

October 28th, 2012 at 12:07 AM | Why is Oregon State - (Score:1)
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Why is Oregon State - Washington not on TV?

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:18 AM | Pac12 network :/ (Score:1)
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Pac12 network :/

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October 28th, 2012 at 12:11 AM | Lack of Audibles et al (Score:0 Flamebait)
October 28th, 2012 at 9:28 AM | I agree....I'm starting to (Score:2 Normal)
MileHighWolverine
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I agree....I'm starting to get really worried with Borges at the helm. He might be saddled with a less than talented O-line and WR's but you'd think he could get Denard comfortable with calling an audible. If not, I'm just shocked that a SR QB can't look at a stacked box and call for a quick pass to the flat or any other audible. 
 

Give us something, please!

October 28th, 2012 at 12:14 AM | snowflakes (Score:1 Flamebait)
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The D tackled and pursued very well, right up to the point the inept offense allowed Nebraska to wear them down.  Seriously thought they were good and hung in there, hoding Nebraska to 23 should win you some games if your offense is in tact.

 

I can now say I've seen a 1 in 1,000,000 interception

 

Refs realized their horrible mistake in calling a late hit on Michigan early in the 2nd half, by making the worst pass interference call of the year on the only Bellamy drive with a pulse.  Thanks guys that was nice to get our hopes up like that.

October 28th, 2012 at 12:26 AM | The D (Score:2 Normal)
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In the first half, Nebraska had one good drive, never got much further than midfield on three others, and then on their final drive the D forced a fumble to give Bellomy the ball in Nebraska territory right before halftime.

In the 2nd half they picked off a pass on the opening possession.  One drive started at our 4 yard line and the D held them to a field goal attempt.  Another started at our 39 and NU gained 5 yards and kicked another field goal.  NU had one decent drive for a field goal, and another where Roh pushed them out of field goal range only to see an interception on the first snap end all hope.

Three huge stops to keep the team in the game and only 2 scoring drives.  You can't play D much better under the circumstances.

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

October 28th, 2012 at 11:01 AM | Agree with Purp and BlueinLansing (Score:1)
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I don't like using 'ifs' when it comes to sports but jaysus, I feel I could call a better game than Borges ATM. Clearly, running Denard/Fitz out of the shotgun with the same read play over and over isn't working, so call something else.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Open up the playbook and let Denard go to work. I'm tired of this conservative approach. Our D is good enough to keep the O in the game but it's not good enough to win the game for us. We need something from the other side of the ball.

SORT IT THE FUCK OUT.

'We're a unit, not a one-man show. The name on the front of the shirt is more important than the one on the back.'

October 28th, 2012 at 1:35 AM | That drive was 45 yards refs, Bellomy 1 15 yd completion (Score:2 Normal)
Muttley
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His drive that ended up with the INT on the attempt to Gardner actually had more production.

Whoever stopped bribing the refs should be fired.  They were unstoppable.

October 28th, 2012 at 12:16 AM | Last Defensive Series (Score:5 Normal)
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I am disappointed in not taking time outs on the last defensive series. I realize Bellomy had been a disaster, but I really hate the message of simply giving up with more than five minutes to go and a 14 point deficit.  A fluke TD, get the onside kick... Obviously coming back was really unlikely, but a head coach at Michigan should never give up in a game.

October 28th, 2012 at 12:18 AM | I agree. Are we that worried (Score:4 Normal)
turd ferguson
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I agree. Are we that worried about possibly losing by 21 instead of 14? If you're gonna go down, go down fighting.

October 28th, 2012 at 12:20 AM | ? (Score:-1 Flamebait)
October 28th, 2012 at 12:23 AM | It would have accomplished (Score:2)
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It would have accomplished giving us a chance to win, just like he said. However small it may have been.

"There was a time I could have been mistaken for Burt Reynolds. I had a moustache and so did he. But he was the number one star in the world, so there wasn't really much confusion."

October 28th, 2012 at 12:31 AM | You'd have to stop them first (Score:0 Offtopic)
October 28th, 2012 at 12:37 AM | It does two things, both of (Score:1 Redundant)
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It does two things, both of which the person you originally responded to made clear: (1) it gives us a chance to win the football game, no matter how small, and (2) it sends a message to the team that we will fight to the end no matter what.

"There was a time I could have been mistaken for Burt Reynolds. I had a moustache and so did he. But he was the number one star in the world, so there wasn't really much confusion."

October 28th, 2012 at 12:44 AM | So a timeout (Score:1)
coachclen
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On a drive in which Nebraska gained 5 first downs, without throwing a pass, gives Michigan a chance to win a game they trail by two touchdowns?



I can agree with the "Sending a message" but that's about it.

No matter what happens.....They're still gonna run out and touch that banner.

October 28th, 2012 at 10:08 AM | A better chance than not (Score:0 Flamebait)
October 28th, 2012 at 12:19 AM | If anything (Score:2 Normal)
BlueinLansing
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I think people should realize Denards injury has probably been an issue all year and part of the conservative play calling this year has been to protect him from injury.

 

 

October 28th, 2012 at 12:26 AM | Maybe (Score:5 Normal)
coachclen
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Nobody will ever be happy with play calling around here though. You throw too much against bama, people cry fro denard's legs. You run too much, they say air it out. He throws 5 ints, they say throw bubble screens. They play conservative to protect the ball, they say this is boring. You lose the starting QB and they say why can't the OC get recovers open.



Maybe mgoblog should just takeover play calling. Use the live blog or something, then text the play to Borges..

No matter what happens.....They're still gonna run out and touch that banner.

October 28th, 2012 at 11:34 AM | Here is the problem with (Score:1 Flamebait)
coastal blue
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Here is the problem with Borges:

Denard went down with about 5 minutes left in the first half. Michigan had scored 3 points. At that point, Michigan had not scored a touchdown in over 5 quarters. Now, this is what other teams did in their first 25 minutes against Nebraska:

Southern Miss: 14 points

UCLA: 17 points

Wisconsin: 20 points

Ohio State: 21 points

Northwestern: 7 points

So comparing our game against Nebraska with their past performances against teams with a pulse, Al Borges managed to coordinate a gameplan that would rank us dead last.

October 28th, 2012 at 12:22 AM | Here's my stupid comment for (Score:5 Normal)
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Here's my stupid comment for the year: fire Borges. His offense kicks ass against the weaklings on our schedule, but grinds embarrassingly to a halt when Denard is out or we face a real defense. No touchdowns against Notre Dame, State, or Nebraska? Really? Borges is causing the offense to regress massively and does not deserve any more chances. If we make it to the B1G Championship Game, it will be because of Greg Mattison and Denard Robinson doing enough to make up for Al's shortcomings.

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vs Ohio State: 58-44-6
vs Notre Dame: 23-16-1
vs MSU:  68-32-5
vs B1G: 522-197-24
vs SEC:  20-8-1
vs PAC 12: 48-24-1
vs Big 12: 10-5-1<

October 28th, 2012 at 12:23 AM | we aren't (Score:1 Flamebait)
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making it to the Big Ten Championship game.

October 28th, 2012 at 12:31 AM | I agree, and that's really (Score:2)
DIABEETUS
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I agree, and that's really damned frustrating, because I very much believe that we are better than Nebraska. Stupid injuries, stupid Borges, stupid everything.

Michigan: 903–315–36 (Best in NCAA)
vs Ohio State: 58-44-6
vs Notre Dame: 23-16-1
vs MSU:  68-32-5
vs B1G: 522-197-24
vs SEC:  20-8-1
vs PAC 12: 48-24-1
vs Big 12: 10-5-1<

October 28th, 2012 at 10:20 AM | Why not?  Nebraska can easily (Score:0 Flamebait)
October 28th, 2012 at 12:24 AM | This (Score:1)
DealerCamel
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This is sounding familiar, minus the defense bit.

October 28th, 2012 at 12:34 AM | I'm getting a bit tired of (Score:-1 Flamebait)
October 28th, 2012 at 12:55 AM | Do you seriously think that (Score:4 Normal)
DIABEETUS
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Do you seriously think that Notre Dame, Nebraska and Sparty have defenses so stout that this offense shouldn't be able to cross the goal line even once? Are you joking?

Michigan: 903–315–36 (Best in NCAA)
vs Ohio State: 58-44-6
vs Notre Dame: 23-16-1
vs MSU:  68-32-5
vs B1G: 522-197-24
vs SEC:  20-8-1
vs PAC 12: 48-24-1
vs Big 12: 10-5-1<

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