Great defense. Moved the ball well outside the red zone. I don't have much to complain about except for Denard's bone-headed interceptions.
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That's all I got. Sad Panda. Denard regressed to freshman Denard @ Iowa.
How do you have:
- 300 total yards
- Over 50% 3rd down effeciency
- 19 First downs
- Only Punt once
And only score 6 points?
Son I am dissapoint.
At least the B1G is horseshit this year. @Purdue, @Neb, @OSU scare the crap out of me though. 9-3 would be unicorns at this point. 8-4 acceptible/understandable.
Are we the worst fucking team in America BEFORE the bye week? It seems every year we have two weeks to stew with no bounce back game to take our minds off it for an extra week.
Pretty much, yeah.
i really hope fsu scores some more points, i bet me dad they would win by at least 21 points over clemson
I was pretty impressed by the front seven, and I'll be very happy if the flea-flicker fusion special never sees the light of day again.
- Take wife to dinner to celebrate our 17th wedding anniversary (The Melting Pot ... Great place for mommy and daddy to go sans kiddies).
- Let wife indulge her fondness for dark chocolate and Chambord fondue (don't judge).
- Don't watch the game.
- Worry about Denard's misfiring synapses tomorrow.
Dining at the Melting Pot is never winning. Happy anniversary though!
When you are actually pretending to be two human beings who don't have to worry about whether their son is telling poop jokes at the table. At that point, a trip to the Dairy Queen would suffice, so Melting Pot is a better place than most.
I think it's funny you say you're pretending to be human beings. You're in deep.
All- time meltdown on the blog? I remember some others, but this seems exceptionally bad. Notre Dame Stadium is a tough place to play, always has been, this game is not that bad in the grand scheme of things. Let's all just take the next couple of days and remember the ultimate goal is to win the B1G, and that goal is still attainable. Have a good Sunday, and Go Blue!
2008 and 2009 were much worse. People seem really reasonable tonight.
Many have said ND would be our measuring stick. If that's the case, I think we're gonna be alright. Denard had a bad game. But everything else was decent. Defense kept us in it, and shut down the run for the most part. Offense drove up and down the field. Special teams were pretty good. Stinkin' turnovers killed us, but I think we're ok moving forward.
It'll be interesting to see how everyone graded out in the UFR. I think we'll be encouraged. Can't wait for Big Ten games.
Different than the last 3 games the O line looked good moving the ND D line off the ball when Denard went under center and Michigan ran straight at them. I don't know if that was caused by good blocking or NDs "shell" defense to stop Denard and his running. My guess is it was the later but either way I wish Borges called more runs for Fitz in the second half in that power formation (full back and Fitz in the I) since it seemed to be working.
Observation. Much more physical straight ahead blocking seems to be more effective for this O-Line.
I feel a strange desire to BURN MY COUCH!!!! ...or drive to East Lansing and burn one of their couches. Dammit Denard, why must you electrify us one week, then punch us all in the dong the next.
Pressure on the QB makes all the difference in the world. Our defensive line is just nowhere close to where it needs to be. Nowhere remotely close, and I just don't think its going to get much better as the year goes on. I hate knocking our guys, and I know they're putting in the effort, but its time like these where you can really see how much of an effect guys like Martin and Van Bergen had. Both physically and emotionally.
Our defensive line is a patchwork. It will only get better with recruiting (I am salivating over the idea of a Pip, Poggi, Charlton, and Ojemudia Death Stare D-Line). Those guys will be living in an opposing backfield.
Other than that, I feel much better about our defense after tonight. Jake Ryan is a manbeast. Wilson did make a stupid mistake in the red zone, but he's a freshman. He'll make freshman mistakes.
Did Pip get in tonight? I don't recall seeing him.
I didn't see him in once. I almost always keep an eye out for him, but seems after Air Force he hasn't seen the field much at all.
So I'm actually encouraged by this horrible horrible loss. Here's why:
- The defense really stepped up, especially against the run. Congrats to the linebackers, who looked a lot more assertive than they have previously.
- The offense DID have some success before committing yet another egregious turnover. Odds are Denard's not going to have another game even remotely close to this bad in the turnover department. If we only have one or two (or just have our customary success in the red zone), we win this game by a couple touchdowns
- Norfleet is a machine.
Listen, we all know that Michigan does and will have at the very least a competant offense. I was encouraged by what I saw on defense and special teams. This bodes well for competition in the New Big East.
Also, WTF Lewan? He got torched on the first couple of drives, not sure if he stepped up later or not without looking at the UFR
We did a pretty good job containing ND's rush game - 94 yards on 31 attempts, so we were only giving them about 3 yards per attempt, which is actually a substantial improvement over the previous three games. We swarmed to the ball quickly and snuffed out virtually every attempt in what I would say is a reasonable amount of time that will keep us in every game if we keep that performance up.
If you disregard the turnovers for a minute, especially ones in the red zone, we were getting 4 yards per carry and 10 yards per completion and sustained, for a time anyway, some reallygood drives. We were ust short of 300 yards total offense for the game, and with fewer turnovers (an aberration, this game - unlikely to repeat itself), so it is clear that we can be ruthlessly efficient on offense, and I will take that going into conference play.
Now I know how ND felt last season. They outplayed us all game but turned the ball over in the red zone, which ended up the difference in the game.
Sucks because our D looked outstanding. Our Offense looked like it was really handling their front 7. Just a few bad decisions and a few good plays by their D cost us the game.
I also think our missed field goal cost us some momentum in the beginning. I know I know, it was just a field goal in the first quarter, but that would have had us capitalizing on their turnover and could have put much more pressure on them instead of stopping us and gaining momentum that early.
ND has a very good defense, but not nearly as stout as Alabama's. Michigan's offensive woes can be put on the entire offense, including coaches. Overall, I think Borges called a good game, but there were a couple of plays in the red zone that seemed to be over thought, including the option pitch that was just not smooth at all, and of course the Smith pass.
Denard seems to get too amped up in some of these games, and it affects his passing. There were other missed assignments in blocking, etc. that led to sacks or pressure that shouldn't have been there, but the interceptions were just ugly.
It's still really hard to tell how good ND and Michigan are after this game. Neither team looked like a top ten, let alone a top twenty team, and I got the sense that if these two teams played each other ten times, Michigan would have won seven or eight of them. Maybe it's just the turn of the wheel of fortune, and it's ND's turn to win after outplaying Michigan last year and coming away with the loss.
Open question: would the outcome have been different if Golson had gone the distance instead of Rees subbing for him?
I think it may have. I think we could have forced another couple of turnovers if he'd stayed in there. Rees was a good game manager tonight and made a couple of excellent throws. It's sure a luxury to have a guy like that to come off the bench.
Though I felt like ND's offense was not on the field much. Rees made a couple nice plays that I can think of, but I don't think he was ever really in a position to mess up. Kelly called a very conservative game - rightly so given our offense shooting itself in the foot.
The funny thing is that we could've won that game even with every single one of Denard's turnovers.
...the fact that we turned the ball over that many times, and yet STILL had a chance to win the game. Our D stepped up.
From the first loss against Bama, I have stayed optimistic. After tonight, though, I just don't know how we can consistently win games with the way Denard plays against decent defenses, especially with most of them being on the road for the rest of the season. I know it is definitely possible and somewhat likely that we will in fact play in the Big ten championship game in the weak Big Ten, but if we've got the rest of the team playing their hearts out like they did tonight (Defense especially), and Denard's over here throwing 2+ interceptions and giving up fumbles, I don't know if we can consistently win games. Denard has to get out of the mindset that he can turn the ball over 2-4 times a game, complete less than 50% of his passes and still pull off a win like he did last season, for example in the games against Virginia Tech, Notre Dame, and somewhat Northwestern... Those were all examples of the opposition beating themselves instead of us beating them. I can still see us winning the Legends Division, winning the Big Ten championship game, and moving on to the Rose Bowl, but only if we cut back on the mistakes, especially with Denard. GO BLUE!!!
I'm scared to make a thread about this, but here's what Denard said post game.
"I want to say sorry to everybody who watched football, watched Michigan football and whoever followed Michigan football.... It won't happen no more. I'm going to be accountable for the rest of the season, I can tell you that much. I will do whatever it takes to win and whatever it takes for the team to win, that's what I'm going to do.... I don't want to feel like this anymore. I'm disappointed in myself... The 22 years I've been living, this is the most disappointed I've been in myself."
He really is a great person, but how does he break these bad habits that he still has in the middle of his senior season? Throwing off balance, rushing throws due to pass rush, trying to force the ball into triple coverage, or just simply making poor decisions? He is making mistakes that are understandable for a Freshman or Sophomore QB, but he's a Senior. I love Denard the human being, and appreciate his words after this game, but I'm just not sure how he can break these bad habits if he hasn't broken them by now.
However, I see where you're coming from. He's just doesn't have the instincts that you need to be a precision passer. That being the case, you do have to put a lot of the blame on Borges. The five interceptions came on five consecutive throws. Obviously you can throw the first one out and probably the last one too (basically a hail mary), but still, when your qb throws two straight picks, the next time you have him throw it should be a screen play or a 5 yard out route. Denard was continuously under a lot of pressure in the pocket; why would you try to go over the middle yet again?
Part of it though may just be that he's trying to hard. He needs to know that most Michigan fans, especially when they're not drunk and venting, aren't going to hold this against him. Denard is still my all-time favorite Michigan player, and no meaningless (for the most part...) loss against Notre Dame is going to change that.
To hell with Notre Dame. They'll get picked apart by Stanford and USC. Meaningwhile, we have a legitimate shot at the Rose Bowl. Purdue will be dangerous though. Better hope we don't get lulled to sleep on that one.
If you look back to his speech at the Big Ten Media Days Kick off Luncheon, you can already tell he is a class act. He is very respectable, likeable, and I am glad that he is representing the University of Michigan the way he is. And just from those couple of sentences I am already over the fact that he pretty much killed the game for us. This reminds me of the Tim Tebow incident a few years ago where he said "you will not see anybody work as hard as I will for the rest of the season." Denard will redeem himself, I look forward to watching him for the rest of the season, and I really hope more than anything that after his career at Michigan he will succeed at whatever he does, whether it is the NFL or pursuing another career. A real class act and give him props for taking responsibility like he did tonight.
He's a good guy. He needs to pick himself.
From a classy person. Being a class act and a Michigan man does not excuse his performance or decisions on the field. I want to hear him say he will make a more concerted effort to tuck and run, throw the ball away, or take a sack instead of throwing INTs and hurting the team the team the team. What he stated was general and has not improved his decisions to date. He should feel bad and I hope he bounces back and learns not to act like a spaz when he is pressured again.
He's a great kid. What a shame that he had this happen on his birthday. I believe he'll bounce back.
The defense was a surprising plus and Notre Dame wasn't as scary as I thought they would be.
We kept shooting ourselves in the foot and I don't put that blame on any particular player or coach. You win as a team, you lose as a team and no matter what some say, I like Denard as our quarterback, faults and all.
Any update on Gardner's condition?
I feel really badly for Denard. He just wants so badly to make plays, and for whatever reason he just doesn't deal well with pressure right in his face. Maybe it's his height, or lack there of. But pretty much every poor throw that he made had someone coming straight at him. When the center of the pocket is clean, he's fine. In fact, he was actually efficient and down right good. I have to imagine that Borges is constantly trying to get him to just evade and/or throw the ball away.
What a horrible birthday for the kid, to bascially singlehandedl lose the game for your team. I know it's a team game and all, but it's hard to look at this game and say most all of the INT's are on him. I suppose that OL could have picked up the blitzes bit better, but the book on beating Denard is get pressure straight at him, and he'll turn it over.
Oh well, I know he'll get over it, and so will we. But at the OP said, this game was right there for the taking. Even with 5 turnovers, we're only down 10 points at the half, get the a three and out in the first possession of the 2nd half.
I have to agree ith you. This game was really tough to watch, just because Denard struggled so much. I guess the positive to take out of this is that we weren't going to win a national title this year no matter what, so this loss doesn't kill us there. We still have a chance to reach our ultimate goal of a B1G title. As terrible as Denard was tonight, throwing passes straight to ND players, I still have faith in him to lead us to the Rose Bowl. Let's see him have a huge bounce back game in a couple weeks.
Feel really bad for the guy as well. Hopefully this one doesn't affect his psyche. Just a crap game that I hope he can get over.
Is missing that "jet" tempo that Oregon/Arizona have. I think that helped Denard with rhythm and gave him less time to worry about being perfect or a pocket passer.
Perhaps, but he had some poor days throwing the ball in 2010 under Rodriguez, too (MSU, Ohio, Miss St come to mind). I think defenses have caught on to some of his tendencies as a passer.
"Why do we fall so that we can pick ourselves back up."
He is not getting the job done, and he rarely has when it comes to what some posts have called "good teams." Perfect. Why is it so hard to come to grips with this? He has undoubtedly made some incredible plays, but "dynamic" suggests another level or facet- there are none. When the opposing D is strong up the gut we are done.
Who is the alternative? Gardner? Bellomy? This is nothing like the QB debate that raged in Baton Rouge last season in which the coaching staff insisted upon the inaccurate Jefferson, when Jarrett Lee had proven himself as a highly competent game manager.
Michigan lives and dies on the arm of Denard -- Tonight we died by it, unfortunately.
and we die by Denard. Hopefully he learns a great deal from this game and moves forward. And Norfleet gives me tingles.
Requesting new neg designation for the attempt to provoke honesty. After all, we are not communists.
If you've been reading and a loss is what finally pushes you over the top to join- don't.
Wait like a week, then try it. Because it probably wasn't a good idea at the time.
Honesty is fine, and you're right , he didn't get the job done tonight -- he admitted as much. But again, what is the alternative? Is there a QB on the roster that we're all unaware of? Is there another player that can do the things that Denard does well, but without the propensity to turn the ball over?
He's not the best passer, but he is an amazing runner, and he's the best QB we have at this point.
Alright Alex, I'll try potpourri for $400