Do the right thing and waive the PSD for season ticket holders.
further adventures in Jed York being unsuited for his position
Do the right thing and waive the PSD for season ticket holders.
And people wonder why I gave mine up. Sorry-I grew tired of financially supporting this shit storm after PSU and nothing they've done on the field has made me second guess that decision.
Did you give your season tickets up? Huh. I had no idea.
Where the hell was the awesome two point conversion play call against osu.....have fun sitting on a couch and getting fatter next year Borges
So per twitter, Borges declined any comment as he came out of the locker room.
He's a joke.
I've seen that before.
Lame duck coordinator, ducking the last public opportunity to atone for his sins.
I don't think you can pin tonight's game on Borges. You can blame him for other games but tonight his hands were tied.
Mattison's the guy who has some 'splaining to do tonight.
30 points (really 24) against a decent offense - that's not that bad. He had a bad first half but that second half was great.
Borges? SIX POINTS and 150 yards (outside of garbage time)? He has a LOT of explaning to do - especially since his offenses make me wish Debord was back.
I'm sorry, but were you expecting an offensive explosion with the current state of the offensive line and a true freshman backup quarterback? Exactly what is he supposed to "explain" that a halfway intelligent observer can't figure out at this point?
I think it could have been 49 points against our D. Snyder just went more conservative to run down the clock in the second half. The 70th rated offense in the country is not a decent offense.
This is pretty clear evidence of the power of preconceived notions.
Much of the fanbase here went into the game expecting Borges to call a bad game and Mattison to call a good one. People like yourself are now trying to fit the evidence into your preconceived expectations.
Our offense was able to move the ball much of the night. Given that we had a sieve for an interior OL, a brand-new QB and WRs with a penchant for dropping key passes, I didn't think it did that badly. Its biggest problems were that it just plain didn't get the ball that much (thanks to our D completely sucking on 3rd downs) and when it did get the ball, it was always in poor field position.
There are no extenuating circumstances for the D. It let KSU convert 100% of 3rd downs in the first half and possess the ball 35 minutes, and never once gave our offense the ball in good field position. Every single KSU possession entered our territory, except for the kneeldown at the end of the first half.
They forced one punt in the second half. KSU continued to move the ball up and down the field in the second half but killed themselves with some turnovers. I would have felt better if we had stopped them from moving the ball, but that just wasn't the case.
I don't see Coach Hoke winning anything at Michigan. He will coach 1 more pitiful year and then be let go quietly after yet another loss to OSU. I wish there was even a glimmer of hope, but this bowl game proved that this staff is completely inept at developing players. A whole month to prepare for one team, and they play out of position with poor technique, again. The whole staff deserves to be fired.
The seniors deserved better than this. That is all.
Or maybe they didn't which is why they got what they got tonight. I love this team but maybe the reason they got outplayed in every aspect is because the senior leadership wasn't there because of it being the b dubs bowl. Maybe the seniors deserved it after twisting MSU players necks and supposedly jacking dudes in the face after the OSU game. Maybe the reasons Gibbons didn't show up is because it is what they deserved.
I don't want to lump them all in one basket. I find that hard to believe with the likes of Gallon and Dileo and etc. but it's definitely plausible.
Gallon, Dileo, Schofield, and the Gordon's at the very least shouldn't be lumped into that pile.
When's the spring game??
I guarante we dont have 100, 000 next year for App State. At least we shouldn't . Brandon won't do jack shit until he sees empty seats and les donations.
I assure you there will be 105,000 plus easily.
It seems his coaching style is to let the seniors lead the team, this years class has some great seniors. But, I hope once he gets some of his recruits as seniors there will be more fire. Plus I would not mind seeing hoke coach a player up on the sideline, rather than pat them on the head after they make a mistake..
Doug Karsch reported that sources indicated to him that "Cam Gordon went nuclear" at halftime.
Not saying RR should have stayed, but it looks like things are the same or worse three years in.
I think Hoke is in over his head, his coordinators are only good when they have superior talent, which they don't. This whole staff is guessing and grasping at straws. The program is in real trouble and will be third or fourth in their own division next season.
There is very little hope as things stand.
Well yeah but that could easily be attributed to RRs disastrous attrition filled recruiting classes.
We lost big, got outcoached and outplayed, that is obvious. What hurts the most thought is that we got outclassed. I cringed watching our players talk so much garbage when they were getting beaten so bad. Wow, Michigan Football was a joke tonight.
So sad and so upset.
Fire Jackson and Borges, combine both coaching postions and hire Denard. Having him teach his vision to these skill guys with our line would be great to have. Plus it's not like the Jags are even using him, they don't deserve him.
I just don't even know anymore man. This comment is fucked on so many levels...
The biggest problem with this team wasn't Borges, or the offensive line, or the offense at all. The defense let this team down all season. If the defense stands up at the end of the Penn St and Nebraska games, we win both. If the defense shows up against Ohio, we win that one too. The Copper Bowl was lost in the first quarter, when the defense couldn't get stops. I won't go as far as to say the problem is Mattison. Could be youth, could be talent, could be heart. With a more reliable defense, this team is at least 9-3 with a shot in a better bowl game.
saying the same thing for weeks. And in the pregame tonight Mattison said it too. The offense at least had a few games they looked explosive.
My fear is that Mattison returned to college ball to coast into retirement. My hope is that the team is just young and close to turning the corner.
I was initially really happy with the Mattison hire, but I really just can't take watching losing football that implements a bend but don't break philosophy. I consider it lazy, losing football. That style is good for the 8-4 and 9-3 seasons, but is not championship caliber football. Don't tell me you need 4 and 5 star dbs to be aggressive with blitzes, because somehow MSU has been able to have an aggressive defense with lesser stars.
A vast majority of the National Championship Teams have steller defenses that blitz and are aggressive in coverage. Look at the attacking style of Alabama, Auburn (when they crushed Oregon), OSU (vs. Miami), etc. You don't see teams that play off the ball winning championships. Even MSU figured it out with lesser talent and developed them into the style they wanted and won against a far more talented OSU team.
Maybe Mattison is a dinosaur? Bend but don't break burns clock and keeps the score low, but doesn't win championships. Aggressive defenses cause turnovers and make their breaks. They don't hope the other team makes a mistake. They force the issue.
Pretty sure Auburn won by 3 and only because everyone got confused on the Dyer "Oh he is down..-- wait he's not down?!?!?" play.
The D did not have a great year but really? If you were told you had to fire the offensive or defensive staff but could not fire both which would you choose? In order for your argument to work you have the fire the defensive staff. Would you really do that and keep Borges?
The defense sucked all season. They were RR bad in the last two games. Just cuz he was at the Ravens doesan't make him great. The evidence of the regression of the defense says he is as bad as Borges if not worse.
Not one coach on this staff is doing a good job. It might be time for a true NON-MIchigan coach. Someone who knows football and doesn't care about traditions and history that DON'T MATTER WHEN YOU DON'T WIN!!!
"The defense sucked all season. They were RR bad in the last two games."
Actually, Michigan is #41 in total defense nationally.
Additionally, Ohio State had a season scoring average of 48 points (we held them to 42). Kansas State had scored 35, 41, 49, 33, 31, and 31 points in their six games leading up to the bowl game (we allowed 31). Those aren't great performances, but they're not all-time terrible like Rodriguez's, either.
The fact that we held KSU to 31 is all smoke and mirrors. They punted once the entire game. What was the third down conversion rate, it must have been incredible. The Michigan Defense failed in every big situation throughout the year:
Indiana - The defense never put up any real resistence the entire game. If it wasn't for a record setting output by the offense that game is a loss.
PSU - 10 point lead in the 4th Qtr with epic collapse at the end of regulation.
MSU - Tight game in the first half. Then they give up a TD drive with less than 2 minutes left before the half with MSU getting the ball to start the 2nd half. At the start of the 2nd half when you needed a stop to keep it close, MSU rolled down the field for a FG. A 10 point lead before UM got the ball back on offense pretty much sealed the deal.
Iowa - 21-7 halftime lead only to give it all back and blow the game in the second half.
Nebraska - The Michigan offense was bad but managed to go ahead late in the game. Michigan defense collapsed and let Nebraska go right down the field.
OSU - Defense gives up tying score before the half then lets OSU build a 14 point lead. Michigan tied the game late and OSU went right down the field for the go ahead score before we get another late touchdown. The defense virtually never stopped OSU. Only giving up 42 points to OSU was a product of our offense having success against them and burning a lot of clock and limiting possessions by OSU.
Making a comment that Michigan did its job by holding OSU to 42 is just plain silly. Any decent offense that UM faced this year ripped them apart on the field. The KSU game is not close if not for some turnovers by KSU in the second half.
Defensive stats are as much about the offensive philosophy as the defensive philosophy. If you play ball control and burn clock, there is less opportunity for the opposing team to score. That really has little to do with the defenses ability to stop you, but makes the stats look better. Also a bend but don't break defense works the same. It bleeds clock and keeps the score in check, but does nothing to win games (death by a 1000 cuts). The rankings really mean nothing. The only stats that matter are wins and losses and whether or not you stopped a team at crucial points in a game.
You're putting words in my mouth. The previous poster said that the defense sucked all season. That is, in fact, not true. You can try to calibrate for pace of the game, score, etc., but you would also have to do that for every other team you're comparing them to, every other season you're comparing them to, etc. It was not my statement that Michigan's defense did a great job. I said they didn't suck.
Why don't you just shut the fuck up
Because I don't want to.
So if you have something like that to say here's what you do:
first you write it down on a piece of paper, and you go out into the lobby, and you go home and kill yourself
I just want to thank you for consistently being a knowlegeable, fact-based voice-of-reason. I can barely make it through the echo chamber of vitriol that most of these threads are right now, and posters like you are one of the reasons I'm still here.
It's actually misleading. Giving the overall statistics for the defense doesn't really tell the whole story as I indicated. If you want to discuss stats that matter, the discussion is around the defensive performance when the game was on the line. The defense failed this year. Conservative defenses can appear to be better statistically then they actually were on the field.
I have also seen posts arguing about Green being better than Smith, but when the data was presented on YPC, Smith's longest run was removed, but Green's was not. That is manipulating the data to fit your narrative, not actually looking at the reality of the situation.
I believe in stats, but you always need to look at the big picture, not just a narrow interpretation. You have to look at how those performances impacted the outcome of the games.
Speaking of misrepresentation...
The discussion you're talking about was specifically about De'Veon Smith and his breaking of tackles. I said something to the effect of "Other than his 38-yard run against Ohio State, I haven't seen him break many tackles." You just added in the part about the comparison to Green, and voila, you were arguing against yourself.
Well, thanks. Considering you have 58 points in over two years here, I'll take it as a compliment that you came out of lurker mode to say that.
Special teams have generally been pretty meh under Hoke. Tonight they were a liability. Even this young Michigan team should be able to outclass a team like KSU on special teams by virtue of being deeper...No need to comment on the defense...I think you'd have a hard time pinning this loss on Borges as far as playcalling given what he had to work with. Michigan wasn't going to win without the type of run blocking we saw against OSU, and it wasn't there.
I personally thought Borges should have been fired after the Ohio State game last year, and I've been a huge proponent of firing him ever since. However, this season it has become clear that the entire team is regressing and this lands squarely on Hoke. He is not a good D1 coach, and this entire staff needs to be blown up.