Winning Record in his 3rd year. Overall record trending up,
a terrible blight on our fine country
Winning Record in his 3rd year. Overall record trending up,
His point is that RR had a winning record in his third year.
Not mentioned is that RR improved every year after inheriting a smoking crater while the current coach has gotten worse every year after inheriting a resurrected team.
I'm doubting hoke big time, but why does everyone keep saying RR's teams improved? Didn't we lose his last 3 games by 20 or more points in each? How is that progressing?
For the most overpaid staff in the coaching ranks?
As much as he claims he does, then he should do the honorable thing and step down. He's in over his head at this level. He should recognize it and take the pressure off DB to fire him. Brady is a really nice man but he's just a MAC coach, nothing more.
MSU, OSU, Wisconsin, and even PSU with all their troubles are better programs and have a brighter future than Michigan who will start next season unranked.
He still wants to be a DLine coach. Which is the problem. He needs to be the Head Coach. Seems like he was avoiding the offensive side and trusting Borges and all.
in over his head too? Maybe it's too many freshmen and sophomores on the field who are over their heads.
Do tell? I didn't see many freshman and sophomores on the field getting burned tonight (Ramon Taylor, Desmond Morgan, etc.).
Saw gedeon in for a few third and longs which were converted iirc
Every coaching staff has to deal with underclassmen at critical positions.
Now that this season is over, I can start being optimistic about next year! I try not to worry about things out of my control (like coaches). I love the school and the team. At this point in my life, that is not going to change and I don't want it to.
I'm looking at my PSD right now and I will hand over the money and continue to cheer the team. I expect the coaches and players to keep working and improving (like I do of myself and the people who work for me in real life). I don't know what the record will be next year but I know I will be at/watch every game (and be happy about it).
That's has Michigan on the brink of mediocrity.
I'm way more powerful than I knew. I'm confident that my love for the school and team has nothing to do with mediocrity on the football team. It's ok with me if you feel different about the cause of the status of the program. I'd appreciate it if you were ok with me having a different opinion than you.
It would help if you can explain how unconditional love for a school and team has the program on the brink of mediocrity. I was doing the exact same thing in 1997 so do I get some credit for the undefeated season?
On the brink? I'd say we are firmly entrenched at this point.
David Brandon, loves people like you.
Hew doesn't love people like me.
Why is about David Brandon? It is about me and my interests and my family's interests. If the day comes when my interests change, then I won't pay for tickets. It has nothing to do with Brandon for me. If the cost gets to where I can't afford, then I will stop. It's just an individual decision. I can afford it and I love the school and team.
It would be great if the team was more successful but my happiness is not directly affected by the team's record.
Since I have been living out of state. I'm looking forward to purchasing season tickets around 2028 when I retire. I hope we have a good team by then or I could just enjoy the atmosphere of a college game, where I went to school at, even if the team is not the best. I have a friend who just retired last summer and got season tickets to his alma mater is Purdue. But he's use to not having a good football team.
Right now I feel like Anderson Silva's leg.
Outstanding coaching. From Kansas State.
Honest question, do you guys believe Jackson will retire sometime before next season?
At least with RichRod we were getting better with less talent, now we're getting worse with more talent.
As we watch Arizona become a solid program, with a win over Oregon.
And the week after, they lost by 37 to ASU. Sample sizes and all.
Or you can chalk it up to RR not understanding who your rivals are...
Sorry, but the records just don't bear that out:
2010: 7-5 (with an ugly bowl loss, admittedly)
That's a four-game swing in two years. You can say it's damning with faint praise given how awful the '08 squad was, but I don't see how you can say that the team wasn't getting better.
You can say the team wasn't getting better because it finished the Rich Rod era with losses of 20, 30 and 38 points.
Basically, RichRod's teams showed improvement in September, and then nosedived after that. This year's team was a lot like a Rich Rod team, which is certainly worrisome.
They were only getting better in that they were so historically bad to begin with. No one who saw the last three Rodriguez games (Wisconsin, OSU, Miss St) could have honestly believed that it was going to work out.
Philisophically, going with someone innovative and outside of the UM family is fine and probably a good idea, but it wasn't happening with Rodriguez.
I know of a coach who got fired after getting killed in their bowl game, finishing the year with 7 wins...
Me too. The guy was 15-22 over three seasons.
Another guy was 26-13.
I look more at how things are trending rather than a compilation of data. Much the same way you look for trends in SPC data to indicate there is a problem that needs to be fixed before it is out of control. The record was improving under RR and that was with a total change in the style of play. He was never allowed to see it through because he ended his seasons with blowouts, much like the bowl game last night. The fact of the matter is that Hoke continued the upward trend his first year with mostly RR players.
Since his first year, it is starting to trend the opposite direction. We all keep waiting for a sign that things can be corrected and I would even argue getting a middle of the pack Big12 team was a great opportunity to end on a positive note. My fear getting KSU was that it had a no win type of appeal, with a loss doing even more damage by losing to a low profile Big12 team. The team had 15 extra practices to prepare for one opponent and the effort last night was beyond disappointing.
This is a critical juncture for the people in charge in Ann Arbor. If they do not recognize the trend and take countermeasures, then this thing will get out of control causing a tailspin that will be difficult to correct. Next year is the critical year.
Gardiner coming back is a big plus. He is a playmaker and another year should help to reduce some of the mistakes. He accounted for 75% of Michigans offense this year, had 2900+ yards passing, 21 throwing TDs and 11 rushing TDs. The one thing I will say is that you have to let Devin be Devin. Don't try to dial him back too much. Even though he was frustrating, when he was allowed to do his thing the team typically won. When he reduced turnovers against MSU, Iowa, and Nebraska they wound up losing those games because his individual playmaking ability was tempered. Just take the good with the bad and go with it. He beat ND, Indiana, and damn near OSU based on his playmaking ability.
Data is great and all, but context is important, too. Unfortunately, the offensive line was doomed to fail because of the players available, and Michigan was still in better shape this year than any year of the Rodriguez regime.
After Mallett, Boren and Arrington decided to leave, RR's first team was doomed.
Hoke inherited a team (and schedule) that should have seen M undefeated in the regular season. Instead the coaches ran Denard under center against Iowa and tried to prove their way was the way by throwing against MSU in a wind storm. That was RR's team. It would have been the first with a second year starter at QB. Hoke and his coaches have been a disaster in managing the transition to their desired style.
RR oversaw improvement in the team every year. Hoke has given us regression.
Rodriguez would not have been retained after 2008 (or 2009, when Brandon took over), and Hoke will be fired by no later than January 8th. Neither of these things happened nor will happen. Therefore, invalid.
I hear the players don't like him either.
Lewan called him the best he's had.
that is so overpaid. I believe Hoke is 4th and both Borges and Mattison are in the top ten and we get 7-6 with no evidence of any improvement over the 2013 season. At least with RR things seemed to be trending up until the cowbell bowl. We seem to be headed in the opposite direction with this staff.
When I see plays where Desmond Morgan is suppose to get out to the slot WR as we send a DB on a blitz and the announcer says Morgan didn't get his job done I get PO'd. Morgan doesn't have the ability to get there so he is put in a position to fail by the DC's call. Then we get to hear in the presser how the team didn"t execute. Tired of the BS. On the bright side, tickets should be pretty cheap next year.
Remember 2005 being the year of infinite pain? The endless injured players and games that came down to the final drive every week ended with 5 losses. It was the weirdest feeling in the world to see the team with 5 losses when 37 of the previous 38 seasons was when 8-4 was the worst case scenario at Michigan.
8-4 seasons were like the anti-Christ to us. Gary Moeller couldn't handle the frustration of back-to-back 8-4 seasons and it played a major part in his unfortunate exit. Lloyd Carr started his first 2 seasons with 8-4 records. He was so stressed from that that he gained weight and had to run the steps at the big house to take it off.
Now we're at the point where we have had 5 or more losses in 5 of the last 6 seasons. Michigan hasn't been Michigan in a long time and it not only pisses me off, it breaks my heart.
Hoke, Borges, and Mattison running stairs...
If Al gets fired, his last playcall at Michigan will be a successful 2-pt conversion. This just upsets me;
when Greg was DC in mid '90's, I hated how our D was bend but don't break and then ND stole him from us and Herrmann had us play aggressive in '97, at least that year, I miss that. I want aggressive D back, not this shit we're getting.
Also, Borges, you suck, playcalling is so incoherent, Shane looked good and deserved a better game plan.
Hoke, you are clueless and too nonchalant and I hate your elusive responses, you suck buddy.
I would kill for Mattison's defenses from the mid-90's. Second in the Big Ten both times, holding top 5 Colorado to 13 points, #2 OSU to three field goals, Alabama to 10 points. Big Ten champion Northwestern to 19 and 17 points.
Those defenses kept us in every game. Not the case the last few years.
Also important: The key guys in the '97 defense were all guys that Mattison had coached. He was good at developing players back then, at least.
He is correct though about the 97 defense and Hermann. Mattison did play a bend but don't break style, which was maddening. Those players he recruited were studs, but Hermann took them to another level. They were very aggressive and I would say the best defense that I have ever seen at Michigan. It was a style that you see with all of the National Championship level defenses.
After the 97 season Hermann started to get conservative, which I believe ultimately cost him his job. If you have an attacking defense, you need to play that way all the time the MSU does. It is a mindset that has to be there on every play. You force turnovers with aggression. Occasionally you get burned, but you can live with that because you are creating opportunities with good field position and turnovers for your offense.
have no idea how to make in-game adjustments. They can't adjust to what the opposition does and take advantage of a situation. Mattison seemed good at it his first season, but has gotten worse the last two years. Borges just seems lost. It may be execution also, but that still comes back to coaching. The kids aren't prepared to play and don't learn from their mistakes.
It's very sad to see what Michigan football has become. This program is a middle of the B1G program and beginning next year with the new division splits...Holy Shit this program is in trouble. Michigan will be at best, third in the division when the season starts and probaly worse than that by year's end. I think after next year the program starts all over again and it'll be five years before Michigan truly COMPETES for the B1G championship.
We have become MSU and they are us. This is sad.
This next month or so is critical to the program's future, meaning a possible staff shakeup and maintaining the recruiting class. We shall see...
It is embarrassing to watch my team give these games away.