The Snowflake Thread: Offense
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:32 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:42 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:45 PM ^
Gardner is not a quarterback. I'll take my chances with everything else you mention above, thanks.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:54 PM ^
Gardner is a below average qb at this point, but he has had some good games. Morris has yet to show any indication that he can play.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:31 PM ^
Gardner is a good athlete and a decent QB but is being horribly mis-used.
Any other halfway decent coach would be happy to have Gardner, and they'd make use of his natural talents. Borges doesn't make use of his talents. For that sin alone Borges should be fired.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:53 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:24 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:33 PM ^
And for that he should suffer in OC hell ... in his case Borges should be forced to spend eternity doing squat-thrusts while a tray of glazed donuts is just out of reach.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:00 PM ^
But...wait a minute....3 months ago half of this board had him as a Heisman finalist and a 1st round draft pick in the 2014 NFL Draft. Where are those guys now?
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:11 PM ^
Devin's potential is still there. I place his regression on coaching, and that's not his fault.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:25 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:27 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:25 PM ^
At least in 2008 we had hope that the offense would get better once Rich Rod got "his players."
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:26 PM ^
This staff's first class are sophomores and redshirt freshmen.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:28 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:34 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:25 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:25 PM ^
How in the fuck is it possible to go from scoring almost 50 a game the first half of the season to barely getting 150 yards in a full game.. completely and utterly shocked that this is even possible..
It's like after the MSU game, the coordinators swapped playbooks or brains.. what a joke
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:33 PM ^
1. In the 2nd half of the season, we went up against actual defenses.
2. Opponents also took advantage of game film that ND didn't have, and figured out how to stop us.
3. Indiana sucks. Any offensive stats compiled against them should not count.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:25 PM ^
I know our O- line is abysmal but I can't watch DG regress anymore. Running backward 10 yards on inevitable sacks, fumbles, bad decisions. Time for some sugar Shane. And no I don't think he will light it up but he can't be any worse than how DG is playing right now.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:28 PM ^
You'd honestly made his first start against Ohio?
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:30 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:43 PM ^
I fear...you're being optimistic
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:51 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:31 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:49 PM ^
Why NOT?!
Is there some thought we could win with DG? Or just limit the humilation?
If it's the latter, then I'll start building towards next year now, pleas!
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:25 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:41 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:47 PM ^
I'm no Borges apologist but some things are not on the coaches. Sometimes a player is just not meant for a position.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:18 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:25 PM ^
Okay, can't be positive anymore. That was abysmal. Keep in mind also that the D scored the first 7 points and the other two TDs were short yardage. There is no reason Borges should be calling plays any longer starting 7 days from now.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:26 PM ^
That's probably how most of us feel about this offense right now.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:26 PM ^
Can it be named the raincloud thread when we lose? Every post is doom and gloom.
I didnt watch the second half but on ESPN gamecast when I was paying attention, I noticed we seemed to abandon the run. Is this the case?
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:26 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:26 PM ^
It's not really the playcalling; occasionally that leaves something to be desired, but quite frequently reasonable playcalls were made that failed.
The problem is that the staff is not good at producing a philosophy and a gameplan that they can teach their players to run consistently and effectively every week.
And the results are obvious.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:31 PM ^
Its the player development, playcalling, scheme, mistakes by players, etc. but it really comes down to the overall master plan. Its fucking terrible.
Al is being compensated far above the product he has produced in 3 years at the helm. If you perform far below your compensation level you should be fired. He has had 3 years to show improvement and its been a regression since day 1.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:26 PM ^
it certainly wasn't the only problem. Gardner is just never going to be a highly successful QB. As extremely talented as he is physically, he just can't manage the pressure and make the plays he needs to - despite the dropped passes, lack of blocking, and questionable play calling. He had more time in this game to throw than he's had most of the season. Result? Too many missed throws and the disastrous fumble near the end. I'll cut him some slack though because of the dropped passes. Is it fair to put the lion's share of the blame on Gardner? No, definitely not. But, as the QB of this team, he just needs to make more plays happen.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:36 PM ^
I think "never" is unfair. People can always improve. Just look at the numerous examples of players that the so-called experts pegged as being players with low ceilings that eventually became good or great players. Nothing is set in stone.
Sorry, just a pet peeve.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:44 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:48 PM ^
Gardner would be very productive if he had better coaching. Morris would get absolutely killed out there so switching is not a good solution.
The coaching is absolutely horrendous and we are not getting any potential out of the offense. I'll bet Gardner would be up for heisman if he was in a better coached offense.
HAHAHAHA
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:54 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:27 PM ^
I hate Al Borges so much its giving me stomach pain. I'm too young and poor to be a big donor to the AD, but I hope some of those guys are calling Dave Brandon right now.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:27 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:27 PM ^
Playcalling seemed okay, certainly not great, but at least decent by Borges standards. But blocking still horrible, Gardner is a mess, WRs dropped a number of big passes. It's just a clownshow. So it doesn't really matter to me whether it's the playcalling or not. Either way the offense is a disaster and Borges simply needs to go.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:28 PM ^
1) enters next year as presumed started
2) enters next year competing for the job in an open competition
3) we move on and don't offer a fifth year
I would vote for number 2 but his performance lately even when he has had time to throw makes me consider option 3. Option 1 seems crazy to me at this point
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:33 PM ^
I think it has to be a combo of 1 and 2 with Al Borges not being in the picture. A change of scenary would do Devin a lot of good.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:33 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:37 PM ^
But I would say the same thing for every single returning player on the offense. Not a single one of them played well enough this year to be a presumptive starter next year. That includes Funchess, who dropped a ridiculous number of passes today.
November 23rd, 2013 at 5:11 PM ^
Option 3 is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen on the internet.