Gardner is not a quarterback. I'll take my chances with everything else you mention above, thanks.
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Gardner is not a quarterback. I'll take my chances with everything else you mention above, thanks.
Gardner is a below average qb at this point, but he has had some good games. Morris has yet to show any indication that he can play.
Gardner is a good athlete and a decent QB but is being horribly mis-used.
Any other halfway decent coach would be happy to have Gardner, and they'd make use of his natural talents. Borges doesn't make use of his talents. For that sin alone Borges should be fired.
He can't be any worse.
And for that he should suffer in OC hell ... in his case Borges should be forced to spend eternity doing squat-thrusts while a tray of glazed donuts is just out of reach.
But...wait a minute....3 months ago half of this board had him as a Heisman finalist and a 1st round draft pick in the 2014 NFL Draft. Where are those guys now?
Devin's potential is still there. I place his regression on coaching, and that's not his fault.
Central Michigan was our highlight game of the year offensively and defensively. Ugh.
No it was definitely ND. Damn that games become so meaningless
At least in 2008 we had hope that the offense would get better once Rich Rod got "his players."
This staff's first class are sophomores and redshirt freshmen.
So what I'm sick of this shit everyone plays young players!! And news flash it's game 11 there not freshman and sophomores any more dammit! There has been zero offensive development and that's on the coaching staff
I never used to start drinking before 5:00, but this season has changed my perspective quite a bit. Let it flow...
How in the fuck is it possible to go from scoring almost 50 a game the first half of the season to barely getting 150 yards in a full game.. completely and utterly shocked that this is even possible..
It's like after the MSU game, the coordinators swapped playbooks or brains.. what a joke
1. In the 2nd half of the season, we went up against actual defenses.
2. Opponents also took advantage of game film that ND didn't have, and figured out how to stop us.
3. Indiana sucks. Any offensive stats compiled against them should not count.
I know our O- line is abysmal but I can't watch DG regress anymore. Running backward 10 yards on inevitable sacks, fumbles, bad decisions. Time for some sugar Shane. And no I don't think he will light it up but he can't be any worse than how DG is playing right now.
You'd honestly made his first start against Ohio?
does it really matter who starts this team gonna lose by at least 14 points
I fear...you're being optimistic
I hope it's only 14.
We're going to lose by 40. Meyer's going to run up the score and Borges is going to Borges. Hoke will stand on the sideline in a short sleeved shirt looking confused
Is there some thought we could win with DG? Or just limit the humilation?
If it's the latter, then I'll start building towards next year now, pleas!
I'm finally over Gardner. Morris better really suck in order to not be the starter next year. The problem is we can't start him for the first time next week because it would be a mess, but we know Gardner will be ineffective...
Not sure how you think that Al Borges will do a better job coaching Morris than Gardner. Or do you think Borges is a really good coach at heart?
I'm no Borges apologist but some things are not on the coaches. Sometimes a player is just not meant for a position.
By that logic, Michigan fields roughly ten such players on every down.
That's an improvement!
Okay, can't be positive anymore. That was abysmal. Keep in mind also that the D scored the first 7 points and the other two TDs were short yardage. There is no reason Borges should be calling plays any longer starting 7 days from now.
I believe John McKay was once asked about his team's execution when he was down in Tampa. He simply uttered "I'm all for it."
That's probably how most of us feel about this offense right now.
Can it be named the raincloud thread when we lose? Every post is doom and gloom.
I didnt watch the second half but on ESPN gamecast when I was paying attention, I noticed we seemed to abandon the run. Is this the case?
Why did this thought cross Borges' mind?
"Well, Green seems effective, probably time to get Fitz in there. Don't want those numbers to be too gaudy."
I know fitz had a decent run or two but Green was able to get between tackles, not dance for a loss.
The offense stinks.
It's not really the playcalling; occasionally that leaves something to be desired, but quite frequently reasonable playcalls were made that failed.
The problem is that the staff is not good at producing a philosophy and a gameplan that they can teach their players to run consistently and effectively every week.
And the results are obvious.
Its the player development, playcalling, scheme, mistakes by players, etc. but it really comes down to the overall master plan. Its fucking terrible.
Al is being compensated far above the product he has produced in 3 years at the helm. If you perform far below your compensation level you should be fired. He has had 3 years to show improvement and its been a regression since day 1.
it certainly wasn't the only problem. Gardner is just never going to be a highly successful QB. As extremely talented as he is physically, he just can't manage the pressure and make the plays he needs to - despite the dropped passes, lack of blocking, and questionable play calling. He had more time in this game to throw than he's had most of the season. Result? Too many missed throws and the disastrous fumble near the end. I'll cut him some slack though because of the dropped passes. Is it fair to put the lion's share of the blame on Gardner? No, definitely not. But, as the QB of this team, he just needs to make more plays happen.
I think "never" is unfair. People can always improve. Just look at the numerous examples of players that the so-called experts pegged as being players with low ceilings that eventually became good or great players. Nothing is set in stone.
Sorry, just a pet peeve.
I think Gardner suffers from poor QB coaching and a complicated, new-plays-every-week scheme that makes it hard to get proficient at staple stuff. He has shown growth in many areas this year, yet he always has more to learn as the gameplan is torn up and re-invented every week and he is pounded by the rampaging defenses that his OL can't block.
Gardner would be very productive if he had better coaching. Morris would get absolutely killed out there so switching is not a good solution.
The coaching is absolutely horrendous and we are not getting any potential out of the offense. I'll bet Gardner would be up for heisman if he was in a better coached offense.
He has been hit and sacked so many times he can no longer function in the pocket. Unfortunately this may b permanent
I hate Al Borges so much its giving me stomach pain. I'm too young and poor to be a big donor to the AD, but I hope some of those guys are calling Dave Brandon right now.
What the F are this offense doing during the week??? They're 4-5 star recruits and playing like a high school team
Playcalling seemed okay, certainly not great, but at least decent by Borges standards. But blocking still horrible, Gardner is a mess, WRs dropped a number of big passes. It's just a clownshow. So it doesn't really matter to me whether it's the playcalling or not. Either way the offense is a disaster and Borges simply needs to go.
1) enters next year as presumed started
2) enters next year competing for the job in an open competition
3) we move on and don't offer a fifth year
I would vote for number 2 but his performance lately even when he has had time to throw makes me consider option 3. Option 1 seems crazy to me at this point
I think it has to be a combo of 1 and 2 with Al Borges not being in the picture. A change of scenary would do Devin a lot of good.
They are clearly going to offer him another year. We have no proven quarterbacks on the roster and he is a great athlete. They aren't going to cut someone loose when they have no experienced players at that position on the depth chart
But I would say the same thing for every single returning player on the offense. Not a single one of them played well enough this year to be a presumptive starter next year. That includes Funchess, who dropped a ridiculous number of passes today.
Option 3 is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen on the internet.
And I want to give enough time to get offense, experience, etc, but it is hard for me to see how there are ANY bright spots that would give you hope for next year and a willingness to see how that goes...
This offense is absolutely horrible. It makes the defense look bad also. Gardner tries to play superman instead of throwing the ball away. Gardner is soft. Green needs to get 75% of the carries, the other 25% need to go to Smith. Seriously turn the page on Toussaint. Too many 3rd and long plays because of sacks, tackles for loss, (mainly Toussaint and Gardner on zone read plays) incomplete passes. We never have manageable 2nd and 3rd down plays. Go Blue and fire Borges
I defended Fitz but I think it is clear Green does a better job overall as a runner and blocker. Fitz can still receive out of the backfield but he doesn't have the downhill ability that Green has and that is what we need right now and going forward.
At this point. What is the argument against firing Borges? Honestly. I know that players become loyal to coaches, but even they must see that a change needs to happen. If they had started out the season horribly and slowly got better, not to the level of even a good offense, but at least you could see improvement, I could see having an argument for keeping him. When a team seems to be getting worse throughout the season, how can you justify keeping him?