The Snowflake Thread: Offense
"Something something didn't execute." again and again.
Please no more Gardner at QB, I can't imagine watching this guy again next year.
I don't see the offense being the issue.
I was about to give the Fry squinty eyes until I saw the /s
A WolverineQuest series: The quest for worst offensive line in the history of big ten. 50-50 chance of that making us feel a little better or way way worse
Of all the things Borges has done, the playcalling when we got the ball at Nebraska's 26 was truly the most mind-boggling. We didn't even try to get the touchdown
Unbelievable (but still so sadly believable)
this offense is a FG only offense down near the redzone area lol
I'm hardly a Borges apologist, but they were getting sacked on around half their passing plays. The odds of being pushed out of FG range with a single pass attempt really were greater than the odds of getting a touchdown with aggressive play-calling.
They were good calls. That's the worst part.
Our football team is succeeding in fulfilling all my wildest nightmares
I mean really throw it away. Every play, even when it throws it late, he's trying to squeeze something in, or over the top, or just underneath.
He's got no time, i get it. But sometimes when you have "no time" you still have time to chuck it away.
I'd really like to know how many pure throw aways he's had since the ND game. If someone had that stat, and an average-throwaways-per-QB stat, i would be shocked if DG wasn't in the bottom 10 in FBS.
I don't know what George Whitfield's summer camp convinced Devin he could do in the face of chaos.
I dare any Borges supporter still left standing to open their mouth tonight. Any single word of defense for Borges just exposes you as a moron who knows nothing about football.
The sequence after the muffed punt was bad, but other than that I don't have a lot of complaints about playcalling. I still think the main problem is the offensive line, not playcalling.
The sequence after the muff was absolutely horrendous...to the point it may have made you forget how bad the rest of the game's playcalling was. Also, the OL falls under Borges' jurisdiction. His fix has been simply juggling the OL starters around. This not only is not a fix in any way, shape or form, but it destroys any unity that unit could've at least been building in the meantime. Different schemes and different plays could be drawn up to mitigate the shortcomings of our OL (our heaven forbid, coaching these guys up), but nope, Borges and Funk refuse to realize they and their "strategies" are the problem.
I don't hate Borges like some. The book is out on our offense. O line is porous, FItz can't pass block. Devin is majorly rattled. No playmakers to bail him out.
Granted, he hasn't fixed the problem, but not sure there is a fix this year. The high water mark of the year was beating a fringe ranked team, who would certainly beat us if it were in ND or even if they played us now.
Terrible season. So much worse than last year. Strike 2 for Hoke. Next season is everything for him.
Also, does any disgruntled fans want to sell me their Michigan / OSU tickets yet?
Negative 69 yards rushing in 2 weeks
That is amazingly bad.
Brady Hoke, "We didn't execute...the offense. Although we did consider it. Along with Al. I mean, man, you shoulda seen Greg. He almost drowned Al in the toilet in the coaches office after this one. I almost let him."
Does anyone have an atomic bomb GIF?
and I feel bad for the team and for Dileo on the 4th down drop. Anyone who follows Michigan football probably expected that slant to go to him.
The glib me says "damn, need to find another lucky shirt".
On the serious side, there are pieces that just don't fit on the offense. We could not capitalize on multiple Nebraska injuries and turnovers.
Get Morris some reps,put Gardner at wr. May as well see the rest of the freshman that are not redshirting.
I mean, they're not put in a position to succeed, so how are they going to?
Also, I'm for bringing back the OL we started the year with if given a choice.
Agree last two weeks OL has been even worse (is that possible)... We are the worst offensive line in te country, and that is having lewan an Schoenfeld out there. Funk has to go. Forget experience of some of the OL, no way should a Michigan line ever be that bad.
175 total yards against one of the worst defenses in the b10 AT HOME (so not even an excuse anymore). -70 yards rushing last two weeks.
The interior of the offensive line has been a tire fire. Anyone sick of inside stunt blitzes yet? There has been significant regression of our young lineman this year.
At least Butt and Funches fought for extra yards after catches and Green managed to fall forwards a few times. But Borges not coming up with a better scheme when Nebraska was blitzing nearly every sequence made want to throw my remote through my TV.
Borges can't be fired until the end of the season but Funk can be fired now. Wisconsin fired their O Line coach mid season a few years back and if there is anyway that it is a possibility as far as a competent replacement then it needs to be done. Borges should be shown the door at the end of the season.
It breaks down like this:
175 total yards, but 196 yards passing over 18 completions and 27 attempts.
So, for passing - 10.89 yards per completion and 7.26 yards per attempt. Respectable.
Rushing...36 attempts, -21 yards, which -0.58 yards per carry
Yards per snap? That comes out to 175 yards over 63 plays, 0r 2.78 yards per play. Yeah.
I know calling players by name is frowned upon but i cant sugar coat it...Im sure Devin Gardner is a great kid and he seems like he really is..As a football player he needs to understand he is a WR, not a QB..he is an awful QB...Holds the ball too long, cant see the blitz, cant read coverage, is very poor with accuracy
What do you expect from a kid that has the most inept offensive coordinator ever and a non-existent QB coach? He's not playing well, but he's not the problem.
Which is the best offensive line playing at the intersection of Stadium and Main? Is it Michigan, or is it Pioneer?
DG has been awful. He doesn't stand in the pocket (when it's there). He holds on to the ball waaay too long. He looks afraid to do something wrong.
He's gotten worse since he first started. With Denard it was the same. That screams coaching to me.
I do not posess the insight or details on specific issues, but am generally feeling like the offense is one dimensional and quickly apprroaching zero dimensional. In the running game I know there are O-line issues, but it feels like we are running up hill. I feel a sense of relief when we are able to get the ball back to the line of scrimage, that is not good. One observation comparing our running with Nebraska was that when M ran up the middle we were taken down in the middle of the pile. Where Abdullah would get taken down while almost exiting the scrum. This yields an extra yard or two per attempt for Nebraska, but begs the question, should M even try up the middle. Toussant is nowhere close to breaking open a big run up the middle, and with those runs yelding less than 2 yards / attempt it is a waste of a down. I feel similar frustration with the outside running game. Nebraska seemed able to pick up a couple yards at will running outside while M would get caught and lose a yard. Things just seem doomed.
Remember that time that we were all bashing Sparty's offense and how pathetic it was?
Al Borges makes Jim Bollman look like Chip Kelly.
The guy is accurate, strong, and smart. But when the offensive coordinator has you doing things like turning your back to the line of scrimmage constantly on play action (with no running game AT ALL), trying to hit guys on two-man routes, long-developing routes, repeatedly running read-option against a team that practices against a much better version of it...most of this is not on Gardner.
Borges is the worst offensive coordinator ever
Your point is valid and I feel mostly correct. I also think DG has the possibility of being lights-out fantastic if we get an offense that works.
But today, I saw a very rattled QB for parts of this game. While we need to fire some coaches and improve play calling, etc., and while DG has had to face incredible pressures not to make a mistake as well as having no blocking, as well as having no running game, I hold DG responsible for is inability to stay focused downfield and get rid of the ball. I'm not saying he had excellent reasons why he couldn't do these things, but I am still holding him responsible for doing that very difficult task.
Gardner has what it takes to be a GREAT QB and has played as well as it's possible to play wearing 2 or 3 OL on every play. The routes take too long to develop, and Borges has so many guys trying (ineffectually) to block that there are usually only a few targets, all of them covered. 18 of 27 for 196 with 1 TD and no picks is a good day for any QB, especially one as harried at DG is on virtually every play.
Agree that the play calling is highly suspect. However, DG really isn't very good ... Drops the ball, holds it forever, etc. I think he can be pretty good, but must be mental.
Nothing...I mean nothing...is working right now offensively.
This game was lost far before the 4th and 5 conversion with a minute left, but I looked at my wife and said "I hope this ball goes to Dileo". I trust him with my life to catch the ball. As I watched the ball sail through his hands, my heart absolutely sank. We have reached the deepest sanctum of hell offensively. Dileo just doesn't drop the ball.
Give you the Nelson "ha ha" from the Simpsons?
the same as last week which if Nebraska didn't suck would be OK. Screens, hot reads and Draws should have been run all day and they were almost non existent
Not only can he not block in pass protection worth a shit, he runs like such a wimp. I've never seen a running back who gets taken down so easily by so many arm tackles. If a defender even gets a finger on his jersey, Fitz goes down like he was just shot...and it's never falling forward for an extra yard or two. I'd love to see Green or ANY other running back in there, as long as they're willing to block.
Also, Fire Borges!
Except did you see Green try to block? I honestly wonder what these kids do at practice. Because its certainly not anything worthwhile. They preach fundamentals, but these kids look like a middling MAC team at best.
blocking due to lack of reps. How many games did he not see the field or only see it for literally 1 play?
I wonder how much of the RB's problems can be pinned on Coach Jackson? Honestly, he hasn't really developed an NFL RB in awhile. Makes me wonder what kind of coaching he's giving them to help with blitz pick up/pass protection.
Would like new blood
They aren't afraid to hit someone!
I thought the Neb running back was running with authority just about every time. Not so much with Fitz.
For broke Cam Cameron
Is the best word I can use to describe it.
Our playcalling about as offensive as a _________ at a __________.
Pedophiles at a preschool graduation.
Was is I had 3 girls behind me saying every time we line up like this we get nowhere. That would've been I formation. I dunno anymore
End. Of. Thread.
There are no snowflakes. Beyond being able to pass block, sometimes, the offensive line cannot do a thing, and the offense correspondingly cannot do a thing.
They go max protect and try to throw deep, but Gardner still doesn't have time to throw even with max protect.
Fitz T. cannot pass block. If he is the best pass blocker among the running backs... I don't even know what to say.
Second week in a row with negative yards rushing. This is officially the worst Michigan offense I have ever seen, and it may be the worst statistically, by the end of the year.
I thought this team would bounce back from the MSU game. Instead, they imploded again.
I recall the John Navarre - must have been 2001 - offense, that was just bad. But they could at least run the ball a little bit. This team can't run or throw. Amazing.
We've gone from a team with no defense to a team with no offense.
Borges is the new GERG.
Borges continually calls plays that are slow to develop to the point they would be a challenge with a good line. With a weak line, the best chance (at least it seems to me) is with quick hitters. Instead, he has DG under center and running play action or runs that, regardless of which is happening, take an extra second or two that our line simply cannot provide. I can almost always tell what we are going to do as soon as I see how we are lined up, and I don't spend hours watching film, unklike the DC for our opponent.
Nothing good about negative rushing yards
When I say _________.
preaches the truth.... goddamnit
preaches the truth.... goddamnit
Hey we didn't turn the ball over.
Reality: DG is a mess right now. They have beat him down about making TOs, and now he won't make a tough pass (except the 3rd down chuck it straight up play).
On top of that, he definitely looked less than 100% healthy.
They won't let him make decisions at the line. Today it was easy to predict what we would do. 7 or 8 in the box was a run. 5 or 6 and they passed, over and over.
The coaches have lost confidence in him and so has he. I guess I put it on the coaches who haven't been able to coach him up without mentally destroying him. The biggest issue here is that there isn't anyone to out in to give him a drive or two off. I think that might help him.
On the plays I rewatched, the oline didn't really do that poorly, they just outnumbered. Nebraska knew what was coming on every play. I expect a RPS of -50. Run after run was into 8 man fronts.
I only remember DG changing one play all day, and that was into a power up the middle into an 8 man front. 7 guys blocked well, one LB unblocked into a 3 yard loss.
worst Nebraska defenses in the last half century look national championship calaber.
Simply the only way to describe 60 yards in the first half and 25 in the 4th quarter..
If it's youth, I don't see much talent ready to break out. Gallon is the main weapon and he's gone next year.
Unless someone develops these guys, we'll struggle next year.
Good grief, the calls to bench Devin are silly. Really all he needs is some time and some better play calls. I guarantee that if he has more than 3 seconds to throw the ball he'll light it up pretty good. He is not a bad QB, he just has horrible blocking. How do you seriously put the blame on a QB when his line gives up 14 sacks in 2 weeks and the RB can't find a hole to save his life. He takes a beating game after game because of the line and you want to blame him? Incredulous, people!
We should put green in there more. We are not going to run at all and Fitz is nt good out there helping with the blitz. Honestly just forget RBs and just put te FB there as the RB.