The Snowflake Thread: Offense
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:48 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:12 PM ^
Yep. The great majority of the time, the better team wins. They are better this year. It's as simple as that. Nothing we can do about it. That should be pretty obvious by now.
Most of the 20/20 hindsight stuff is just fans trying exert control over things they have no control over. It's hard not to do that when you are a big fan, but it is important not to take it too seriously. Most of the things we obsess about are way more random than we realize.
It's a tough year to be a Wolverines football fan, but I am one, and I'll keep watching and cheering them on. Painful as it can be, I still love watching them.
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:44 PM ^
Here is a snowflake.....the entire offensive staff is awful. Hell I'd wish they offer a lot of money to Greg Frey who worked wonders with what he has as an OL. Funk hasn't done squat.
Borges is what he is, a guy who still lives off of 2004 Auburn.
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:44 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 8:18 PM ^
lol yeah, if only green had been in there. would have been a different game...
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:45 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:45 PM ^
and to think people mocking on MSU's offense earlier in the season...
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:49 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:52 PM ^
HELL FIRE
!!!!
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:52 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:52 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:07 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 PM ^
And the reason he has not is that he failed miserably in recruiting o and d line depth. He is the reason we have no depth on the o-line. We have "depth" now, it's just they are all freshman. That's not a fair matchup against a good d-line, which is why we've had so many problems this year running the ball.
November 2nd, 2013 at 8:20 PM ^
WHO!?!?! So many people talk about all the other teams being competent while putting out a bunch of young guys on the line, and no one ever names a team.
November 2nd, 2013 at 10:16 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 10:18 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:52 PM ^
Honestly, this team would be really good if we had even a semblance of an offensive line. I've never seen such a terrible offensive line. Our playmakers have no chance at doing anything. I feel bad for Gardner. Guy got murdered today.
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:53 PM ^
it's impossible for our O-Line to be this bad with adequate coaching. I know they are young in the middle, but they are an absolute joke. Play calling didn't fill me with joy, but we can't run the fucking football at all. Something has to be wrong with the O-Line coaching.
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:53 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:55 PM ^
Straight Kiffen them in the locke room.
Knowing that wont' happen, for fucks sake someone ask this man some tough questions in the presser.
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:56 PM ^
So, yeah....
It comes down to168 total yards on 58 plays, which is 2.90 yards per snap on average. As MSU allows 3.4 yards per play on average, we performed, well, not so good against the average. The most glaring stat on offense is, of course, the rushing totals.
Including sacks, 29 carries for -48 yards. That's -1.7 yards per carry. Remove the sacks, and it is Ftiz going for 20 yards on 8 carries, so....well...anyway.
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:56 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:57 PM ^
Two weeks to plan how to cover O-line problems. Two weeks to figure out something besides deep drops and going over the top. Two weeks to figure out how to block and scheme against the A-gap blitz.
Borges must go.
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:57 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^
They need to talk to Beilein,
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:42 PM ^
mad as anyone with the offensive output today. We marched down the field on the first drive throwing the ball. It was a good gameplan, and I don't think Al Borges was the problem. I do think that having three freshman on the interior line, is a major problem. It has cost us bigtime against UCONN, Minnesota, Penn State and now MSU. We should have one all three of the first ones, but this time the rest of the team couldn't make up for the clearly deficient O-line.
I"m sure I'll be chastised here, but this is the last game against State that Rich Rodriguez will lose for us. It's simply not possible to compete against a good big 10 team with three o-line freshman on the interior line. It doesn't help that Gardner is not a quick drop passer, which would partly mitigate the problem, but the bottom line is that if you cannot run, and you cannot pass protect for longer than 3 seconds, you will lose
The defense was pretty good today. It's tough to be backed up all day. They gave up 16 points, until the last drive, and the yardage was very respectable. This is all on the o-line to me. The complete lack of depth there is clear, and the cause of that is likewise.
November 2nd, 2013 at 9:57 PM ^
Borges is the problem. If you have three Freshman lineman that aren't very good at run blocking at this point, then stop running the ball. Borges play calling should mostly be passing, and definitely abandon any big formations. And before anyone says we were sacked almost 10 times today, how many of those sacks were in obvious passing situations where they did not have to defend the short pass?
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:58 PM ^
Taylor Lewan has to be kicking himself for how much money he's left on the table to come back and put in a performance like he has this season.
And, really, when you know the cameras are on you in a stadium full of a fanbase that already thinks you're scum, why are you grabbing facemasks after the whistle and jawing back? It's been like this for four years. He's good for a stupid personal foul just about every game. I really wonder why the hell he's such a headcase.
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:58 PM ^
Morris looks very agile. I'm surprised how well he moves with the ball.
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^
that team get dragged around the field. To boot, was there anything, anything the staff has shown that they are anywhere close to a leap. 2011 was a total fluke - and performance after performance only confirms that.
November 2nd, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^
I think multiple snowflakes threads ARE FUCKING STUPID!
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:14 PM ^
Yeah, it's much worse than 50 different threads discussing the same topic but each thought is so special and groundbreaking it deserves it own thread.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:06 PM ^
and beat UofM over the head with it. What a joke.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:08 PM ^
Devin is a tough motherfucker. What a ballsy last drive. We left it all out on the field tonight. State was just better.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:08 PM ^
Can we have a snowflake thread about how much I fucking can't stand MSU fans and their asshole fanbase.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:08 PM ^
But FSU or Oregon would put about 50 on them.
That just shows how far the B10 is from competing nationally. MSU's defense is dominating a joke of a conference.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:15 PM ^
Their Defense isn't great, they just play in the B1G where everything else has become mediocre.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:08 PM ^
-Why is Toussaint still getting 100% of the snaps? He gives us nothing and is a liability blocking.
-O-line gets dumber and dumber, worse and worse every year. Changes need to be made now.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:18 PM ^
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:18 PM ^
I think asking Toussaint to block--and hold that block--against a 250 lb linebacker running downhill or a defensive lineman is a schematic failure.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:10 PM ^
Japanese solution - when leadership has failed, ritual suicide.
Kill oneself with a sword in the gut.
That's what I would have the coaches do. Line up at midfield and symbolicly, with imaginary swords, gut themselves. That would be awesome and we'd then talk about something else that was less stressful than the same old snowflakes we've been bitching about all year BUT KNOW FOR A FACT will not change.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 PM ^
THIS THREAD SHOULD BE TOTALLY EMPTY! WTF PEOPLE! THERE'S NO SNOWFLAKES IN -48!
AND YES I'M SHOUTING!
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:12 PM ^
from Hoke about how he wants a physical team. This team has become less physical each freaking year. RichRod's teams were more physical than this one.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:13 PM ^
Booty, butt, ass, is how the offense looks. FUNK does need to go. No excuse - even youth - for looking this damn bad. Did any other team look this shitty against Staee? I don't think so.
I am very puzzled by Borges. He knows our line play sucks yet he still wants Gardner to wait for 30 yard pass plays to develop. He also never goes with 4 or 5 wide and I think he needs to do that with this team and throw some quick strikes more often.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:15 PM ^
This has probably been brought up but why the hell was Michigan even doing play-action in the 2nd half? There was no reason as obviously MSU was not biting on it.
November 2nd, 2013 at 10:03 PM ^
Why play action?
For the chance that we can trick MSU into thinking we only want to lose 1 yard instead of 8...
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:15 PM ^
I don't find any--or at least not much--fault for Gardner in this one. Yeah, he threw the late interception when there was a flicker of hope--after being abused by linebackers having a free run at him all day. He didn't have a damn chance today. The TOTAL FUCKING INABILITY to put together a competent gameplan coming out of a bye week is repugnant. The development of the young offensive linemen is not happening. Michigan has some deep program issues that are not going to be easy to resolve.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:17 PM ^
Anyone here think Michigan has worse players than Purdue? Because Purdue's offense performed better against this team than Michigan did. Purdue's offense actually gave their defense some time to rest, didn't go three-and-out every time, and didn't set a school record for rushing ineptitude.
It goes beyond play-calling with Borges. It goes to player development. Denard Robinson got worse from 2011 to 2012. Devin Gardner has gotten worse from 2012 to 2013, and he's gotten worse within 2013. What does it say when the longer a QB is with your staff, the worse he gets?
And then the offensive line. Lewan had one of his worst games today. The receivers do look good and seem to be trending in a positive direction, but from a player development point of view that's the only thing on the offense that I'm happy about. As an offensive coordinator you have to do your player development work before the season. That's part of the job, and these guys clearly aren't getting there.
And then the plays. Why are you passing MSU's best defensive lineman from Lewan to a running back in an obvious passing situation? Why are you taking snaps under center when they average about -3 yards per play? Why do you run under center, when your best running plays come from the shotgun? Why are you trying to pass downfield every play and taking tons of sacks? Why was Gardner able to time his scrambles well in 2012, but has gotten worse at it in 2013? Why did we suck against UConn? There's a myriad of data points that Borges and the guys he picked are not good at their jobs.
November 2nd, 2013 at 7:21 PM ^
Hoke has had, by far, was using solely RichRod's recruits. An indisputable fact.
Until today, I was buying the line that the team was just young and needed to mature. But no more. Today they were pathetic. Michigan has regressed every year. That's a fact. MSU ran straight over the top of them. That's a fact. That's what Michigan used to do to teams.
3 years in and this team is almost as shitty as RichRod's last team. This is a 4 loss team. Minimum. Toss in Hoke's first home loss (OSU), and a likely bowl loss (any team with a pulse will beat these guys. See Akron, Uconn) and we are looking at a 6 loss team.
Hoke needs to do some soul searching. Something is seriously wrong with this staff. They get out-schemed by above average teams. And they haven't developed anyone.