This will be your thread - for this evening - to discuss any issues you may have with the defense and defensive playcalling.
no wonder we hired Hunter Lochmann
You all or nothing people are ridiculous. So you're telling me you want another 3 to 4 years of rebuilding? and lose out on all the top prospects that they already committed? Don't be stupid.
I am not an all or nothing guy, but very disappointed this year with the coaching. This game was lost when the defense allowed Cook to sit back in pocket and march down the field before the half and immediately after.
I think we saw the difference between an old school coach (Mattison) with a conservative style and Narduzzi who blitzes (run and pass) and uses press coverage the entire game. The Narduzzi defensive scheme is about playing to win and leaving it all on the field. Mattison's style is about playing not to lose and avoiding giving up big plays.
Which style did you like better? And on top of that Narduzzi has done it with mostly 2 and 3 star players.
I have always been a proponent of playing aggressive on both sides of the ball. It is the same style the National Championship teams play.
Honestly, I don't have a problem with the defense today. There's not much more you can want when the offense won't execute.
Today was about an aggressive style of defense vs a passive style. You saw what playing to win (MSU's style) can accomplish with 2 and 3 star talent.
The other team in the Big Ten that plays that way is OSU but they do it with 4 and 5 star talent. That is the biggest reason they have not lost a game since he became head coach. Urban Meyer is not stupid, he will see this game and coach the defense and offense with the same aggression. That game concerns me a great deal!
They played alright and actually made some plays. No real complaints considering the positions they were in
Put in terrible field position all game long and held up fairly well. Poor drive going into halftime though, and in hindsight was the kill shot.
Ok nice effort Taylor lol WTF was that?
Defense was good, was in a horrible position to succeed all day.
Were on the field so much what would you expect!
The D is playing terrible. MSU does not have an offense that should be scoring more than 20 on us. I don't know if it's preparation or coaching but we should have capitalized on MSUs horrible QB. In stunned that this game turned out the way it has."
MSU was starting on our side of the field all game. u sound crazy right now
They didn't start on our side of the field just before the half or to start the 2nd half. I was at the game and it felt over as soon as MSU went up by 10 after marching down the field on those 2 drives.
Tired of seeing every QB we face sit in the pocket and throw the ball like a first team all american. It has happened all year (Akron, Uconn, Penn State, Indiana, and now MSU). These teams are not offensive juggernauts. If it was an aberration, then I buy it, but it is now a pattern.
They were on the field way to long and in bad position at that. They did miss some plays wether it be a sack or a pick, but they made a few plays also. To many 3rd down converts, but its been like that year. We just can't get off the damn field.
than MSU. That is no excuse. 29 points to a crap offense.
Yard drive defense sucks
Defense played well. Only unit that did. Good job guys for keeping us semi in it.
22 more points than Purdue's defense. They aren't good. The D-line is almost as shitty as our O-line. Incapable of generating organic pressure, they have to blitz which exposes a mediocre secondary. Same as last year. People should realize that it's year 3 for Mattison too, not just Borges, and the defense is no juggernaut.
There are so many morons on this board now I wonder if voting would even help again. They might have infiltrated so much that they'll control the votes. My god. I might have to just delete my account here and stop reading comments to save my sanity.
MLIVE forums suck now. Gotta go somewhere
Opening drive do second half went 75 yds and the final drive went 93 yds. Mattison doesn't get a pass here.
Sparty has been terrible and Cook looked great, like most every QB vs UM
Sparty had 2 long scoring drives so we should fire Mattison?
One of the worst offenses in the country had it's way with this defense. Unacceptable that they managed to move the ball with genuine ease. Field position or not, you've got a repeat of the PSU game. Make the kid uncomfortable. Make him move. Don't let him set his feet. OR, in Mattison's case, rush 3 and 4 and give him all day to find a hole in the defense. I think I recall one blitz, in the 3rd(?) quarter when they brought a double A gap blitz and Cook threw and incomplete. That should've been the plan until they did something about it.
I'm sick of Mattison getting a pass when his conservative defense is breaking more often than it's actually stopping the opposition.
I think multiple snowflakes threads ARE FUCKING STUPID!
while state's D played lights out nearly all game long against us. Huge difference.
Played okay for the most part. The two drives at the end of the 1st half and beginning of the 2nd half were killers. It is what it is. They drew the short end of the stick today.
MSU was just the better team. The disappointing part is that they have done it with a first year QB (Cook), re-tooled offensive line and first year running back. Oh yeah, and they don't have their best receiver either, but I see improvement with their team as the year goes on. On top of that their players are all 2 and 3 star. They were/are the better coached team.
Hoke and staff deserve at least 2 more years, but MSU and OSU are the hurdle. If they are not beating either of those teams in 2 years, then it is evaluation time.
The other part that bothers me is how often I hear how bad the RRs players were and we haven't seen Hoke's guys yet. I think it is important to remember that Hoke's best record so far 11-2 was with RR's players.
Let's see how the season plays out, but this is one more data point in the evaluation. OSU is the next data point. If the OSU game is a blow out, then it will be fair to start questioning the staff.
All of the debate on the board revolves around the end of the honeymoon phase!
That is all
sample size. that is all
I hated the 3 man pressure. That was a HUGE mistake. Cook would panic and rush throws when 5 came at him. Still, the D did pretty well given the field position and total lack of help from O.
frankly, our defense sucked since the end of the first half drive. We gave them 23 points in just over one half of football. Our offense gave them good field position, but still, their offense is not very good. We should have stopped them but couldn't.
I think our pass rush is HORRIBLE. and our play calling is not wise knowing our weaknesses.
Defense was solid under the circumstances but everytime we go to rush 3 it is a freaking unmitigated disaster. We also continue to look a step slow in getting to the QB and not as tough as I thought we'd be this year.
I really thought this was the year we would become a really dominant defense but instead we have taken a major step back. Young guys don't seem to be developing like you would expect and nobody has stepped up as a playmaker.
Heck a lot of teams have had close to their best points or yard output of the year against us.
Japanese solution - when leadership has failed, ritual suicide.
Kill oneself with a sword in the gut.
That's what I would have the coaches do. Line up at midfield and symbolicly, with imaginary swords, gut themselves. That would be awesome and we'd then talk about something else that was less stressful than the same old snowflakes we've been bitching about all year BUT KNOW FOR A FACT will not change.
Well, I will say this - the numbers don't look happy. We gave up 397 yards, which is more than average, as well as 6.51 yards per snap, which is also more than average. That being said, we were gassed by the end and were doing OK for much of the game. I didn't mind that performance for the most part. Like others, the 3-man rush had me scratching my head though.
For me, criticism on the defense ends somewhere around the middle of the 3rd quarter, if not earlier. At some point, it's a lost cause when the offense isn't going to do shit.
It looked to me like they quit on the last drive, which is disappointing but irrelevant because the game was already effectively over. If you ignore the last drive it isn't an awful performance, just a mediocre one. If the offense had been able to do anything at all, this would have been a close game.
The 3-man rush has made every QB we have faced all year look like an all-american. The question is why does Mattison keep going to it. It's baffling!
That the defense could respond when put in the crap field position, but failed miserably when we needed them to lock it down and flip the field.
While we kept state out of the end zone (except that momentum-changing drive at the end of the first half) until the 4th quarter, this is what I find fault with when it comes to a defensive game plan that is too much bend-but-not-break and not often enough aggressive and attacking. Our weak 3-man rush gives opposing QB's too much time and comfort. We made Cook look better than he really is, as he had all day to throw too much of the time.
Can't flip the field when you don't get 3-and-outs.
M can not get opposing teams offense of the field. This has been a consistent theme all season. accountability has to beer placed somewhere and I, for one, will not blame or on youth or inexperience; or that the players need to execute better.
I think I have seen my share of Taylor
It wasn't a turning point but man, it would have been nice if the D could have forced MSU to punt after UM went 3-0. Borges comes out slinging and UM goes up 3-0. What happens? Massive breakdown by the defense and in one play MSU is in FG range. Like others have said, that drive at the end of the first half was huge.