Fair him every day cus he clearly sooks n Hoke is to blame for signing him.
The Snowflake Thread: Defense
I seen what I seen wif mine own two eyes. And what I seen is a corch who needs to be farred.
Just trying to show how dumb it is to overreact to one game.
The defense has given up more points today than that team did in regulation.
I hate hurry up offenses.
but this defense isn't good. not bad--i don't think. but not good
Hopefully just youthful inconsistency.
UM now officially has a Borges offense and an RR defense - the best of both worlds
that is not true. Talent is there just very young and getting better. Couple lucky plays for IU led to 21 ez points. (fumbled option, int that became first down, int that became TD)
Um, so what's a Borges offense? This week or last week?
Mattison should be fuckin praising Gallon for sharting yards like a drunken unicorn high on pcp.
This reminded me of the 2010 Michigan v Illinois game. I can't beleive how many recievers were open all day. Even when we had good coverage we still seemed to come up short. Poor Stribling happened again with the deep balls getting caught right in front of his face. I do think Stribling has a bright future, but I'll be happy when Peppers can shut down a receiver.
Next year or the year after.
Hell, if he get's the monkey off his back, he could be a terror this year. He lacks consistency, but he's played some pretty tight coverage and he's got 2-4 inches on the other guys we have. I hope the coaches keep putting him out there so he doesn't lose confidence in himself.
A full year in the S&C program will have him jumping higher and pulling those balls away from the WR's, next season.
The fact that's he's in position to make the play and turned around facing the ball is encouraging.
I remember a freshman Charles Woodson getting picked on by Tony Banks. He was in position just didn't make the plays.
We are fine!!!
I think the hurry up offense had a lot to do with the performance today. They looked ill-prepared for it. Not to mention Indiana has a pretty good offense. I trust Mattison to get the defense under control in the next week or so, seeing as he's a very good coordinator.
They weren't ill-prepared for it. There's only so much you can do for it when your Dline doesn't get very good penetration to begin with. Once again they got stops when they needed them. Indiana has a good offense.
"There's only so much you can do for it when your Dline doesn't get very good penetration to begin with."
This game takes on a completely different feel if the defensive line was able to get pressure on the Indiana QB. Do that and suddenly throws that were on target become slightly off target and dropped; slightly off target balls get picked; third down conversions missed and Indiana punting more.
"It all starts up front" is not an empty cliche.
If Michigan can find 4 that get push and couple that with the secondary talent that's in pipeline, this is going to be a very good defense.
It wasn't pretty but a win is a win and A LOT of young guys were out there on defense against a potent tempo offense. Better days are ahead with the youth on D.
Some of the worst tackling I have ever seen.
The coaches really need to talk to DB's about knocking the ball down instead of trying to catch. We gave up 14 or 21 points because of failure of just knocking it down.
Does Mattison get a pass on this one?
Yes. Haven't you been reading the blog? When the offense fails, it's the coach's fault; when the defense fails, it's youth and inexperience of the players.
but INT is better. I disagree with teaching them to knock everything down. Strib should have two INTs right now, and he'll start making those plays soon.
if he grabbed those footballs with his hands, they were interceptions...the last ball, he was catching it with his chest and that is why the WR took it...
On the bright side, MSU might have the best D in the entire country (that's right, I said it) and Indiana still put up 28 on them.
Of offense for IU ...inside and in front right Gmatt?
He's not on the field.
Neither is Borges
I lol'ed during the game after her reaction.
she is single?
Get here soon Jabrill. We need you here yesterday.
I give them a break this is their 1st performance they have truly been BAD this year and well it was AWFUL... they get 1 pass come back against State and DESTROY
Hey girl. Hey.
looks like Dana from the show Homeland
This performance would be what they call the anomaly. Granted, Indiana being Indiana and other qualifiers....
I don't get it.
Sorry I mentioned it in the other thread. I know I am going to drop dead during a Michigan game in my living room so in an effort to save my loved ones some time, energy and money I decided that a coffin converted to a couch made sense.
that it will not be in 2013. He was brutal today. You can tell he has the skill to be all-conference but right now he's just a flailing true freshman. I think the UFR will show that he was the worst guy on the D all day long
But he is in position almost all of the time. Missed a couple tackles and go out muscled on the one TD. But he is going to be really good. I am happy he is getting some time now.
On the bright side at least he's in position. Needs to stop inexplicably aligator arming and get those ints.
Yeah thats exactly what I'm saying. You pot sophmore, junior, senior Channing in those same positions and those are likely PBUs or picks, but true freshman Channing is just not there yet
Big John needs to get Stribling a jersey that allows him to raise his fucking arms above his head.
Job identifying when Stribling, Lewis, and/or Hollowell were on the field and going right at them --with considerable success. This is a perfect example of the youth and experience excuse for the D.
We have troubles against the spread... and coverage issues... End of story.
Young guns on D need more time to get stronger and develop. If Planet X or an economic crash doesn't destroy by this time next year we will have a pretty good team in 2014.
People seem to be discounting Indiana's offense because they are Indiana. But they are a good offense. They put up double the average number of points that MSU gives up, put up more on Missouri than Georgia did, and their head coach is the former OC from Oklahoma who had some pretty good offenses under him. They will continue to put up a ton of points and I can see their game in November against OSU being 1500 yards of combined offense.
Ohio plays IU right before they play us, will be an interesting one to watch...
Hopefully OSU will be exhausted from chasing these guys all over the damn field in quadruple overtime.
We don't have a great defense, but we still have a good defense. Now that we have won, I'm kind of glad that Mattison gave Lewis and Stribling all that exposure. The more experience they get, the more they will start picking off some of those balls.
As an aside, my oldest son gave up a couple of long balls in this week's high school football game in just the same manner. Then today he was moaning for Mattison to get the freshmen off the field. I enjoyed pointing out the irony to him. It is not easy to learn how to turn and find the ball. A skill that comes with experience (or that comes with Jabrill Peppers...).
I swore I seen Frank Clark make plays in this game.
...I asked on the Liveblog if Frank Clark had made a play all game. I honestly couldn't recall hearing his name callled or seeing much out of him. Right after I wrote that, he had two impact plays effectively telling me to STFU.
This kind of stuff happens. We played a lot of young guys against a very good, up-tempo offense. I'm not going to criticize Mattison too much because the man is a proven commodity and he knows what he's doing. Should they have played better? Yes. But IU put up 28 on MSU, argued by some as the best defense in America, and put up 48 on OSU last year. And that was only their second year in Wilson's system.
This experience, while humbling for guys like Stribbling, will only make them better going forward. We got the W, and at the end of the day, that's what matters. Now we have 2 weeks to clean up before heading to EL. Bye week's coming at a great time.
So . . . I guess Indiana State had younger guys . . .
That excuse doesn't work on the other side of the ball, it should not work on this side of the ball either.
W 35 - 73
L 41 - 35
W 10 - 42
L 45 - 28
W 24 - 44
L 28 - 42
L 47 - 63
The only thing that frustrated me about the defense was how they kept getting caught off-guard by the tempo. Is it so hard to make a play and get to your position? They all just stood there and walked into position most of the afternoon.
Also, let's not discount the factor of both offenses moving up and down the field at ease. What was the longest scoring drive, 3:00? We all knew this was going to be a tough game for the defense; they actually did quite well in the first half.
We had a long drive in the first half - the 91-yard one after Norfleet's crazy return. I think that one took several minutes.
Ehh.... I don't know what to think after that show. I guess only things I'm confident of:
- Tackling was very poor - might have been partially attributable to the weather and conditioning.
- Stribling is always in the right spot but...
IU can score 30+ on anyone. UM DBs just need to play the ball in the air better and it takes away at least 14 pts in this game. This was always going to be a high scoring game.
There were a few plays were the coverage was pretty solid (I'm thinking Stribling and Lewis) - they were in good position but didn't a play on the ball.
Thanks for making these totally boring snowflake threads. You're the greatest mod ever.
Thomas Gordon. Gallon, DG and Fitz were all great (obviously), but we were set to lose the lead (and probably the game) until Gordon made that pick. Silver lining to a pretty ugly defensive game.
That doesn't seem fair. The offense made huge plays all game long while the D was abused most of the afternoon, but because the D finally made a play, they get the game ball?
Blue in Dallas doesn't give out official game balls.
I obviously acknowledge that he wasn't the player of the game, but I think he did make the play of the game. If Indiana scores on that drive (and I doubt any of us think they wouldn't have), we lose the lead and the momentum. How many times this year have we seen a near pick on one play that turns into a TD for the other team on that play or the next? It happened twice in this game and once last week. You have to make the plays when you have the chance and TG made the play in a big spot.
And no, I don't give out official game balls, but he gets an unofficial one for that pick. And since I can give out as many of those as I want, I'll give one to DG, Gallon and Fitz as well. Oh yeah, and Borges too.
Was bad, Iu destroyed us. We looked out of position and unprepared for the whole game. I'd like to know what we practiced? Defensive scheme has been odd all year
Gordon's first INT was HUGE. Props to him.
I am glad Stribling and Lewis got a lot of time. Indiana is a great team to play as a DB with many teachable moments.
Was Gedeon in at MLB or WLB?
Please, can he not see the field again until the year 2015. I think most of the board would be happy. Is Terry Richardson even alive?
And for all the talk about Dymonte helping us in multiple roles this year on Defense... I'm glad that we could not use him and redshirt him.. . . Oh never mind.
Totally disagree. Him and Lewis have been very good in coverage. They haven't finished by batting down passes but they've been in great position. Think they'll both play a lot by the end of this season.
Yeah, I disagree too. He's a bright spot on the D. When it takes an exceptional play by the WR, he's doing what he should be doing. He's already better than most of the upperclass defensive backs.
I like having him in the game. But, Stribs has done nothing but totally whiff on 3 passes, and missed a few tackles today as well. IMO, he's done nothing on Gameday to prove he's ready. Maybe he's a highlight real in practice, but he hasn't made a single play asked of him when the lights come on.
He looks like a freshman at times to be sure, but he does show tantalizing potential. How many DBs do we have that are not only step for step on fly routes with receivers, but also have their head turned looking for the ball? He's also got a few inches on everyone. He seems to have made the jump in practice according to the coaches, now he needs to make the jump on game day and you can only really do that by playing.
Re:Dymonte, his position (safety) is harder to learn and takes more time. If the coachs don't think he's ready, I don't think we should be calling for him just because we liked his HS highlight vid. On the other hand, he has the athletism to be an impact player on special teams (like shown on the Central punt block). I'd rather have him there than irreplaceable starters.
The Indiana spread had a number of mismatches they could exploit against our d. The corners are young, but I think this experience will be valuable down the road. The important thing is that they came up big in the end and had two critical interceptions that helped seal the win.
What was Mattison doing all week? Force feeding the entire defense hot dogs? God that was brutal. I realize IU has a pretty good offense, but that was worse than Rich Rod bad. Another game like that is inexcuseable.
You need to schedule an appointment with your doctor next week.
Mattison's worst week was better than what Purdue, Illinois, Ohio, Miss St, or what Wisconsin did to RR.
The present is a better place than the past; no reason to lie about those days. Or re-live them.
You do realize we gave up more yards this game than the 3 OT game against Illinois right? How was this a better defensive performance than any of those games?
That was a terrible defensive performance. There is no sugar coating it. So lets take a breather from blaming Borges for everything for a bit please. These are our coaches, win or lose. This is our team, win or lose. Lets start acting like a team instead of eating our own just because we think there is an intellectual point to be made.
Also, if we end up with positive UFR numbers on defense, I'm gonna lose my shit.
...to come up with and execute your own UFR if you aren't happy with the standardized and years tested one Brian performs.
Michigan played the "ball in front" style of D the majority of the game. While they gave us LOTS of big plays via blown coverage, I thought they had players in position to make big plays at times.
The players just didn't make the plays all the time.
The tackling looked like late era Carr vs. the spread. It was the worst tackling game M has played in the last three years. The DB's need to make plays on the ball in the air. I do wonder about the coaching technique. It seems like most DB's, Stribling excluded, never get their head around.
In the long run, M needs to get more athletic up front. They need to press the pocket and be quick on the outside and up the middle. Too many times the lane really developed up the middle. And yes, the DB's need to make more plays on the ball in the air.
Actually, in general, I just wish M was meaner on defense. I wish they hit guys hard. They seem to lack that violent type of play that worries doctors and delights fans. Keep recruting, keep coaching, get better next week.
Rundown of the IU TDs
1 - Completely unprepared for the quick tempo. A small question though: If you stop the clock to move the chains, shouldn't you wait until the chains are actually moved to start the clock? Also get off my lawn.
2 - Dropped interception that lands right in IU's hands. Next play ridiculous catch for a TD
3 - Offense why u no hang on to ball?
4 - Atrocious tackling. Had a chance to force them into 3rd and long.
5 or 6 - Stribling should have intercepted.
5 or 6 - Good coverage. Perfect throw and great catch set up the TD. Anyone else (beside Jourdan Lewis) really sick of every team making these perfect throws?
They were in position to eliminate 21 points (or more), so I think they are close to being a great defense. Unfortunetly this isn't horseshoes or grenades.
"so I think they are close to being a great defense" LOL, now that's funny.
Defense looked bad today but they will look like stars, against that sparty O, in a couple weeks!