Due to the nature of things, this will go up a little early - this is your thread to discuss and evaluate Michigan's performance on defense and the defensive playcalling.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
Good play at the end Dbacks...completely pathetic
So these went up...
lol this thread created and they look like they are aboout to tie it up
You jinxed us.
Thanks for making this premature thread.
2 passes that should have been a INT and these announcers are talking like he is the next Tom Brady
This D is soft. SOFT.
we got action
Lets go Gibbons we need this
Why is a true freshman cb guarding their best receiver?
picked apart by a true frosh. We are clearly in need of a lot of talent to reach he next level.
PSU? They are decimated and still look to be the better coached team.
Ummmmm....what's that guy doing back there? Those weren't exactly Tom Brady 25 yard darts.
MAKE IT GIBBONS
Think of lovely ladies Gibbons
Holy freakin crap
Should be fired tomorrow. Especially Fred Jackson and Funk
The O line coach needs to go
Yes Yes Yes and Yes
I guess it's a good thing you didn't create a Special Teams Snowflake thread. That would be a trainwreck right now.
This is why the B1G is laughed at accross the country. Hey I've got an idea....lets play action when we have not run the ball effectively all game. Sweet.
Thank God for that gutsy kick.
TERRIBLE GAME ...TERRIBLE COACHING
Borges needs to go for his suck job all game and ESPECIALLY the OT from him going VERY conservative
OT play calling was fine (well, not any worse than normal). The 2 OTs we played defense first, all we needed was a field goal. Run, run, run, kick is the high percentage call there. On the OTs where we were on offense, we mixed it up decently with some nice throws to Gallon on the sidelines. We just didn't execute. The calling to end regulation on the other hand was disgustingly cowardly.
3 and 1 and you cant get a 1st down ...If Hoke was any kind of coaqch the O line coach would be gone tonight
Defense had the chance to win it in regulation and didn't. They have some responsibility.
Fucking idiot yyyyy
I for one will simply take a step back from Michigan football for a while and lower my expectations. This team is simply not good enough or well coached enough to do what we think they are capable of. They are the 3rd best team in their Division and will do well to win 9 games this year. Brighter days ahead.....just not right now.
We've been saying "next year" since 2008. At some point it's time for it to be this year.
I'm so sick of recruiting now. We probably have 25% more scholarship players than them and at certain positions looked overwhelmed. I've seen little development from most of our players since hoke has been here.
don't have any balls...we would have won the game in regulation easily. Instead we try to jam the ball up the middle sixteen times in a row...playing RIGHT into PSU's hands. Then the delay penalty cost us the winning FG. Our coaches failed.
No snowflakes at all. Delete thread
Meant for the offense. I don't hate the defense
To be fair, they lost one game. It happens. This team isn't a BCS-caliber team, but this isn't a lost season because PSU played well and got some crazy breaks.
I think we needed to lose this game, as a reality check. We can't play like shit - as we have been - with a few good series here and there and expect to win conference championships. I get it - what else are you going to say, when you know your team is fourth or fifth best? But I would love to see Hoke show some fire now. He's the face of the program, and he needs to figure out how to inspire his players. I don't know about you, but I don't see much fire out there. Others have said we didn't play to win tonight, and that's exactly it. Hoke sets the tone. Borges sets the tone. I always thought Mattison set the right tone, but I don't know now. I'm beginning to feel like the tone is, let's play like it's the 1980's and 1990's, with a power RB, and smothering defense. We have neither, and, maybe more importantly, the game has changed since then. And it certainly doesn't seem like Borges or Hoke can adapt to 2013. If you don't have the players for manball, you have to figure something else out.
Our close calls against Akron and uconn should have been the wake up calls.
if I remember correctly DG and Taylor said this would not happen again and it's happened repeatedly
But weren't. Sometimes you have to hit bottom before you really get motivated to change. I don't know if this was bottom, but hopefully it was enough.
I'd rather lose to Penn State like this than Michigan State like this. Whether or not it's effective as a wake-up call, who knows. But if you think we weren't going to lose at some point playing the way we've played this season, you aren't paying attention. We've been lucky, not good.
It is not that they lost, it is how they lost. Coaches watching from the sideline as play clock runs down costing us two delay of games. IMO, the first delay of game was especially egregrious, avoid that penalty and there is a good chance that Gibbons seals the deal from about 40 with a minute left.
would have liked more third down blitzes, but hey, I'm not the D guru. D did well.
TWICE. The fumble recovery should have ended it as well. But guess what? Enter ball-less coaches again to run 3X up the gut and leave Gibbons with a 42 yarder.
You play to win or you lose...and you DESERVE it. Road games at night always favor the home team if they're close at the end. We needed to be aggressive but had no nut hair.
Was a beast all nite, he definitely did his part to keep us in it. Other than the final regulation drive, I've got few complaints with the D. The O on the other hand...
I was too sick watching the OT so I turned it off at the OT4 because I couldn't take it anymore. So I checked this board on my phone and got my snowflake hopes up only to turn on ESPN right after the PSU score.
Is there any reason Stribling was in 1:1 coverage with PSU's best receiver for their entire drive at the end of regulation?
In good position. If he times his jump better, he has a chance to come down with the ball. Then he is a hero.
PSU's last three offensive plays in regulation were all a matter of inches. The second play in particular looked like a great chance for a PBU or maybe even a game sealing pick, but the DB short armed the ball.
That last drive was pure shit. The dline and secondary are not good and it's killing us. We can't blitz because the secondary won't hold up, but the front four can't get shit for pressure without the blitz. This is an exaggeration, but we are one of the least atheletic looking defenses I have ever seen. The Dline lacks explosion and the secondary lacks speed. There's a reason that guys like Stribling are playing and it's because Taylor/Avery/whatever just ain't real good.
I totally agree on our defense not looking athletic. Still wonder why Dymonte can't see the field. Also , JMFR looked to be about 75% of what he was impact wise .
Why weren't more blitzes called against a TRUE freshman quarterback? Why was a TRUE freshman DB on the field at the end of regulation? At least Clark played fairly well. 2 sacks, 2 fumble recoveries, TD. Did work.
I honestly thought the d played ok minus the final drive. It was nice seeing Wormley produce. That being said, I'm in hell right now. This one is on the coaches. We could lose to any team on our schedule or beat any team on our shedule. The O-line is terrible but I will save that for the other thread.
I'm not even mad at the defense. They did what they were supposed to for the most part. That last drive was bad, but fairly lucky for psu at the same time. The OT was definitely not their fault. You can't expect them not to get a touchdown after 4 fucking attempts, this was the offenses fault.
We didn't get a TD in 4 fucking attempts either.
Not that we were trying to on 2 of them, but, yeah.
Like Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Suggs... Does anybody even know of Mattison? Didn't the Ravens win a SB without him? Is he getting too conservative as an old grandpa?
and is a huge part of our recruiting.
There was a decent amount of criticism of him while he was at Baltimore for being too conservative. It's a bit of confirmation bias, but if you google for old articles or message boards from when he left Baltimore there's a lot of statements which might sound all too familiar ("enjoy it when he rushes 3 on 3rd and 19 against OSU" etc).
I like Mattison, and think he's a good coach and great recruiter... But I do think he's too conservative at times. Especially with a small lead. It worked against ND, Akron, and UConn when they all made a mistake. It did not work tonight.
Weren't all bad. Both had calls go against us. The PI was an NFL PI, but 50-50 in college. Contact was clearly initiated before the throw.
The last play looked like a hold vs Gordon by the TE that fell to the ground and hooked him.
Neither call terrible, but either one goes our way (or the non-PI call on the wheel to Butt) and we probably see another OT
Called a decent game overall and a great game in the second half.
Please don't let your emotions get the best of you and blame him and the defense. The defense was put in horrible position on those turnovers. They came up with two forced turnovers when they needed it in the second half. They held Penn State to three points or less for three overtimes.
Please watch your tongue in regards to the defense.
It's clearly a problem when a true frosh throws for 300+ yards and drives the field under 30 seconds with the game on the line.
He has talent that he simply hasn't developed or leveraged.
The prevent on the last series deserves to be criticized. Other than that, we gave them 3 extra series with TOs. The defense also gave the offense a chance to win twice in OT (one was unforced, but still). This one is on bad game management, cowardly play calling on offense, and an offensive line that can't get 1 yard to save it's life.
Put Stribling in position to make TWO game ending INTs. The coach can't time the players jumps, and the coach can't catch the ball. But he can call defenses that get guys in position to make plays.
Mind you, the D was great for the rest of the 2nd half, and even damn good in the first. The D allowed two TDs drives of 20 yards after disastrous turnovers. If he can be faulted at all, he gave up 8 points on those drives, as 2 FGs are basically automatic.
The real story in this game is when we took a delay of game on our last drive. We had two timeouts. Either the coaches are so gutless that they never were going to attempt a FG and the delay of game didn't bother them, or they are too stupid to realize that the delay of game would take them out of FG range. Either way, its bad news, but its not Mattison's fault.
The second to last bomb is the one that really got me. Should have been picked or batted down and it just landed for PSU. We make the play we are supposed to and they have no momentum at all at that point.
First and foremost, could we PLEASE keep to the already established threads?
Second, 4.38 yards allowed per play on average actually is almost an average performance for Michigan this year. One of the problems - by the numbers - is that we ended up on the losing side of this game despite having a positive margin in both third down conversions and yards per play (albeit slight in both cases) in the tempo free stats.
not blitzing on too many snaps, choosing to not angle punt when it makes perfect sense to angle punt in the last seconds of the game, wont talk about the stribling robinson play cause thats just regression to the mean for Hokes staff, not choosing to run devin gardner on every fucking play in OT in a spread formation, not choosing to place the ball on the right most hash for brendan gibbons classic draw to have most probability to go thru upright, not using a timeout when it was totally reasonable for you to use a timeout to save some yards on an ensuing kick (not sure if this actually happened just inferring.
also there are no stats in the this rundown.
One one hand - a difficult game to deal with the result given the opportunities blown in multi aspects of the game.
I dont know if I am still high from the savage amoutn of hash I smoked last night immediately following the miracu-fucking-lously blown first of two to three significant opportunities to win the game, but I find strange comfort in the fact that the coaching staff, offense, defense and special teams have not each performed at least average or better in a game since ND (allegedly). WHOWITTTMEEEE????