Snowflake Thread: Coaching
October 12th, 2013 at 9:49 PM ^
This is the worst O-LIne I've seen in my 25+ years of following Michigan football. I thought we were conservative towards the end but I have no qualms with the coaching. The punt at the end of the game was the right call. Stribling got burned deep on a fluke play. Is that on Mattison? I'm certainly not going to criticize a defense that kept us in the game all day.
I also can't fault Gibbons for missing a 53 yard kick. The OT kick is entirely on him though.
All that being said, I think we need to take a good hard look at our offense. In a 4OT game we managed to put up 389 yards? What does that tell you? This is not an explosive offense. Fitz had 27 carries for 25 yards. What does that tell you?
There is all kinds of blame to go around including the horrible blocking, the O-Line coach, the play calling, the Offensive Coordinator etct etc etc. It also doesn't help that our WR talent is down overall.
October 12th, 2013 at 9:52 PM ^
As much as it hurts, I have to agree. It doesnt help that we telegraph every running play. I reminds me of water boy and they are sitting over their reading football for dummies.
October 12th, 2013 at 9:52 PM ^
no doubt. When you have an all-american among the 5 - how bad are the other 4? This team will be lucky to score a TD against MSU and we're going to get trucked by OSU.
October 12th, 2013 at 9:52 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 9:54 PM ^
October 13th, 2013 at 7:36 AM ^
Yeah, I thought he made a good play but that ball was thrown perfectly. I thought his coverage was better than Avery's on PSU's 2nd TD.
October 12th, 2013 at 10:21 PM ^
What's on Mattison is only rushing 4 on that last drive. 5 or 6 and Hack would've been running for his life. Lucky pass or not, he had too much time to throw it.
October 12th, 2013 at 9:49 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 10:01 PM ^
I hope he remembers to bring a bedpan for his WoW raid
October 12th, 2013 at 9:50 PM ^
Brady: Where do I send my resume, the peewee league team I coached 20 years ago finished 5-4. If you want things to feel familiar Im even willing to shave my head and eat a lot of twinkies.
October 12th, 2013 at 9:51 PM ^
This is one of those games (and being 54 I've experenced a bunch of them) where I still cant believe we lost it
October 12th, 2013 at 9:53 PM ^
This is one of those games where if we would have won it would only hurt the program in the long run. This crap has to be shown not to work or it will never end.
October 12th, 2013 at 10:22 PM ^
we've seen enough to think we need to loose a few of these to force the change.
Dave Brandon needs to have one of his "reviews" at the end of the season like he did with Rich. Only problem is, if Hoke doesn't budge like Rich didn't, then what ...
October 12th, 2013 at 10:28 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 9:52 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 10:12 PM ^
Redwhiteandmaize is Mike Gundy?
October 12th, 2013 at 10:19 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 10:10 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 9:52 PM ^
Overall I thought it was okay through much of the game but shit hit the fan with about 2 minutes remaining the 4th.
- Hoke elects to punt instead of kick a FG to potentially go up 10. This is probably the right decision at the time, as you cannot foresee the pooch punt going bad and the defense giving up 80 yards in 23 seconds. In hindsight, it's terrible.
- Fitz had 27 runs for 27 yards, how many no-gains or negative running plays do you have to run before you abandon it and try something else? I get that Borges (and Hoke) want to be a running team, but behind this offensive line it simply isn't going to happen. Why were we running Fitz into the 8-9 men PSU would stack in the box when Gardner runs were working very well?
- Game management: how do you get 2 delay of games in critical moments at the end of the game? Time for Hoke to get a headset so he knows what the hell is going on.
Of course, the conservative playcalling probably happened because Hoke and Borges didn't foresee Gibbons -- one of our most reliable players -- miss 4, including 3 game-winning, FG attempts.
October 12th, 2013 at 9:57 PM ^
"Hoke elects to punt instead of kick a FG to potentially go up 10. This is probably the right decision at the time, as you cannot foresee the pooch punt going bad and the defense giving up 80 yards in 23 seconds. In hindsight, it's terrible"
The ball was on the PSU 32, but with the penalty it was pushed back to the 37. If BG missed, PSU get's the ball at the hold spot. 32 is a 49 yard kick, 37 is 54 yard kick.
October 12th, 2013 at 10:00 PM ^
I think the decision to punt made sense. It was the failure to call timeout to avoid the delay of game that frustrates me.
October 12th, 2013 at 10:04 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 10:08 PM ^
But to be fair, that's at least partially on Glasgow and Gardner. They've got to know when the playclock hits zero.
October 12th, 2013 at 10:16 PM ^
October 13th, 2013 at 10:20 AM ^
October 13th, 2013 at 10:39 AM ^
But then why not do it again on 4th down?
October 12th, 2013 at 10:10 PM ^
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MICH | PSU | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1st and 10 at MICH 34 | Fitzgerald Toussaint rush for 8 yards to the Mich 42. | 34 | 27 | |
| 2nd and 2 at MICH 42 | Fitzgerald Toussaint rush for 4 yards to the Mich 46 for a 1ST down. | |||
| 1st and 10 at MICH 46 | Fitzgerald Toussaint rush for no gain to the Mich 46. | |||
| 2nd and 10 at MICH 46 | Timeout MICHIGAN, clock 4:18. | |||
| 2nd and 10 at MICH 46 | Derrick Green rush for a loss of 2 yards to the Mich 44. | |||
| 3rd and 12 at MICH 44 | PENN ST penalty 15 yard Pass Interference on Adrian Amos accepted, no play. | |||
| 1st and 10 at PSU 41 | Derrick Green rush for no gain to the PnSt 41. | |||
| 2nd and 10 at PSU 41 | Timeout PENN ST, clock 3:22. | |||
| 2nd and 10 at PSU 41 | Fitzgerald Toussaint rush for 3 yards to the PnSt 38. | |||
| 3rd and 7 at PSU 38 | Timeout PENN ST, clock 3:17. | |||
| 3rd and 7 at PSU 38 | Devin Gardner rush for 10 yards to the PnSt 28 for a 1ST down. | |||
| 1st and 10 at PSU 28 | Timeout PENN ST, clock 3:10. | |||
| 1st and 10 at PSU 28 | Fitzgerald Toussaint rush for 1 yard to the PnSt 27. | |||
| 2nd and 9 at PSU 27 | Fitzgerald Toussaint rush for no gain to the PnSt 27. | |||
| 3rd and 9 at PSU 27 | MICHIGAN penalty 5 yard Delay of Game on Devin Gardner accepted. | |||
| 3rd and 14 at PSU 32 | Fitzgerald Toussaint rush for a loss of 3 yards to the PnSt 35. | |||
| 4th and 17 at PSU 35 | Matt Wile punt for 35 yards for a touchback. | |||
| DRIVE TOTALS: MICHIGAN drive: 10 plays 31 yards, 05:45 MICHIGAN PUNT | ||||
October 12th, 2013 at 10:29 PM ^
That's why I said "This is probably the right decision at the time", but disaster ensued after. More importantly, how is nobody watching the game clock in that situation? Burn the TO to avoid that disastrous penalty.
October 12th, 2013 at 9:59 PM ^
C'mon, how many fucking times do Brian and the Mathlete and every single other person have to point out that the expected value going for it when you're past your opponents' 40 is better than the expected value doing a pooch.
Punters just can't keep it out of the endzone...
October 12th, 2013 at 10:04 PM ^
It was 4th and 17. You can't seriously have wanted to go for the first down there? Your only realistic options there are FG or punt.
October 12th, 2013 at 10:17 PM ^
the point was just "punting inside your opponents' 40 is pointless." Obviously I'm arguing they should have attempted the field goal...
October 12th, 2013 at 10:29 PM ^
Problem is, our kicker doesn't have 50+ yard range, so you're probably going to miss there and give them the ball at their own 35.
It's a crappy part of the field to be on. It really sucks that we went from 1st and 10 at the 28 (within Gibbons's range) to that.
October 12th, 2013 at 10:00 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 9:53 PM ^
I just cannot understand how Devin doesn't get that play off.
October 13th, 2013 at 12:54 AM ^
Glasgow didn't snap the damn ball in time. Also, the play was late getting in from upstairs. This game is on the coaches, and the o-line. The fact that Al got thrown off his scripted plays in the first couple series pretty much fucked the whole game from there on out. Throw in a couple turnovers, terrible game management by Hoke, and here we are.
October 12th, 2013 at 9:53 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 9:57 PM ^
Play calling on both sides of the ball conservative to the point of obsurdity. Coaching is lacking as well...the Oline doesnt know how to block and the QB doesnt know how or is not allowed to audible out of tragic calls. I would never be this conservative with my fantasy team: Go ND Fighting Chickens, beat the Public Enemas tomorrow.
October 12th, 2013 at 11:31 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 9:54 PM ^
I feel sick. This coaching staff completely lost the game with their end of game strategy. As has been mentioned previously, The 10 point lead offense/defensive playcalling that led to PSU tying it up, complete garbage. How do you run it 3 times and then take the delay of game and pooch punt it instead of going for a field goal?? The end of 4th quarter defense was even worse. Can't even blame Stribling because he honestly had the best positioning he could on that play. OT coaching and execution was horrendous. We did not deserve to win this game and the rest of the big ten schedule is looking a lot more difficult.
F U BUTTCHIN
October 12th, 2013 at 10:04 PM ^
on the DVR, he was in good position, he just stopped to short before jumping. He let Robinson get behind him just enough at the last second to miss tipping the ball by a couple of inches. Not a horrible play by him. But having someone who has hardly played all night going 1x1 with their only good, 1st team all Big Ten receiver, is just another nail in the "Coaches Screwed Us" coffin......
October 12th, 2013 at 9:54 PM ^
And you know what? Borges has go to go. And this time I'm 100% serious. You cannot have an OC as incompetant as him costing us games we should win. Iowa 2011, Notre Dame 2012, Ohio State 2012, and now this. Yeah let's run over and over into 8 and 9 guys in the box. What in fucking fuck.
October 12th, 2013 at 9:54 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 9:54 PM ^
I'll say what I've been saying since the Akron game again: Al Borges was and is a mistake. He believes his pro system will work at the college level but fails to comprehend that college QBs and offensive linemen rarely if ever reach the fundamental competency floor required to ably run the pro attack he wants.
Anyone holding onto the "O line inexperience" card is not only wrong, but hurting the direction of this program by delaying the conclusion another year or two: Al Borges is not a good college football offensive coordinator.
Why do our running backs take hand offs 2 yards behind where other running backs take them? Why do our running backs take hand offs a full second after when other running backs take them?
The loss to Penn State was awful enough given my deep resentment for a program who's passion for victory led to the cover up of the unspeakable abuse of children. It just seems wrong to watch people embrace that same passion for Penn State victory now, even 2 years removed. But that's just me. What's worse is coming to the realization that we are watching the inverse Rich Rodriguez situation unfolding, where we are now elite on defensel, but laughably comical on offense, with a head coach who once again pays little to no attention to the other side of the ball. The only salvation is Hoke's superior recruiting. THAT IS IT!!! Hoke > RR only because he recruits better.
I'd pay a lot of money if Al Borges would go join GERG in Texas, or maybe the two of them can just go bowling or something as long as it kept Borges the hell away from Michigan.
October 12th, 2013 at 9:55 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 10:08 PM ^
except this defense is not elite. An elite defense doesn't give up that end of regulation score.
October 12th, 2013 at 9:55 PM ^
the first box of twinkies to throw in for the negotiations with Charlie Weis. I think all we need is about 1000 more and we might have a shot.
JK. I think.
October 12th, 2013 at 9:56 PM ^
Open Letter to Brady ... You have brought us back to the brink of respectability ... You have to get rid of Borges (Uncle Fester) ... Right Now!!!!!! Whoever is coaching the offensive line ... Get rid of him ... I love Mattison but guess what you are pussying out man ... This defense should have locked this game down 4 times tonight ... Man Up and Play aggressive or f'n retire!!!!!!! We all have too much vested to witness this kind of an effort. Unacceptable.
October 12th, 2013 at 9:56 PM ^
October 12th, 2013 at 10:07 PM ^
So you're saying we should start the "revolving revolving door" coaching thing at Michigan so that the top recruiting classes that we have coming in bail? Sounds like a plan. Hey, I'm looking for a new partner in my firm, you sould like a guy that knows how to get things done, wanna join?