Even the Big10 network talking heads are laughing at us!!!
FWIW. Michigan doesn't seem inclined to get re-involved.
Even the Big10 network talking heads are laughing at us!!!
Tweet him and let him know how you feel.
Lord knows he loves Twitter.
...let me gather my thoughts before I say something irrational, since I'm supposed to "tread lightly". The offensive production of this team, especially from week 3 to now (Indiana excluded) has been pathetic. We rarely have long, time consuming, defense draining drives. We try to run dive, iso and power up the gut against 8 and 9 man fronts and expect good results. Most negative plays in the nation. Lack of adjustments. Poor player development. Before today we hadnt scored a regulation td since Nebraska. This is the worst offense I've seen from Michgian, and before someone uses some stats from like the 50's, fuck off. Fuck Borges, fuck Funk, fuck Fred Jackson for not teaching these backs to pass protect better.
The players deserve better. Poor choice 3 years ago and we are seeing the results of hiring a coach with a 47 and 50 record.
I loved the hire for his passion; in business terms, not good.
I think a lot of us were weary of the Hoke hire, but getting Mattison and then the 2011 season just disarmed our correct reservations. An elite CEO-style coach is already planning his next OC and I doubt Hoke is doing that.
did you guys watch the same game I did? This is all on the players. Throw the fucking ball, catch the fucking ball, run the fucking ball, hold the fucking ball and don't run backwards. You keep blaming Borges, but the players did not do their part. This is on the players period! All game, not just the 2nd half.
Or they were highly overrated recruits. Michigan on paper rivals OSU in talent! But good coaches like at MSU can coach up players. I don't see this happening here.
This. Our players are not developing whatsoever, and that lands squarely on the coaches.
The occasional mistake can be put on the shoulders of a player; a systematic regression across nearly all fronts is on the coaches.
I respectfully disagree. Players drop passes and make little mistakes in every game. The issue is that our scheme only seems to generate handful of good plays per game and when someone drops the ball it a just gets magnified. These mistakes kill drives and turn TDs into FGs. They don't explain 158 total yards of offense.
Would have had over 200 if Funchess didn't wear bricks as hands today.
Would have had 250 if our QB didn't break the pocket backwards or laterally versus stepping into or running forward.
Perfectly stated. In the Liveblog I said "If our WR's caught 100% of the passes thrown to them, and the OL never missed a block, Borges would be a genius." My point was that no teams' players will ever execute perfectly, and if that's what it takes for your offense to succeed, then it's simply not a viable offense.
I don't expect 100%, but I expect better than 46%. That is on the players.
I understand, but today it was the snowball effect. I don't think we're just worried about yardage here. How many dropped passes would've been first downs and kept the drive alive? I don't back Borges or Funk and wouldn't mind if they're gone after this year. Game in and game out we blame the coaches, when today I feel it is completely on the players. They were put in a position to make the play but didn't. So when Hoke comes out during post game and says his usual, "We didn't execute" I will agree this time. Tough year this year. Hydrate and press on.
Hoke is going to be only as good as the coaches he is surrounded by. Such is personal life and business life. Michigan has unlimited funds and we should start shaking our money tree at some well qualified, already employed, OC, OL and QB coaches. Fuck the bullshit!
This is not pretty, and the same standard should be applied to him as was applied ot Rich Rod. Borges and Funk should be gone, minimum.
I remember watching Brady in his initial press conference way back when and thinking the same thing, but then I watched the reactions of everyone else watching it, and they loved him! So I figured my judgment was poor. I did then try to have an open mind, but now can't shake my initial response.
can be a difficult place for David Brandon, Brady Hoke and Al Borges to hide.
7-5 is in the bag.
On to more serious questions: Can these shaky coaches hang on to Michigan's recruits?
3rd and 5 and run the option with the fullback as the pitch man. Sigh...... I am finally on the fire Borges side.
The season ended for me today. No point in even watching next week's public execution. Changes need to be made. However, none will be forthcoming. Michigan... aka... the Exxon Valdez, will stay the course.
I'm done with this shit. I'm not renewing my season tickets. It's to painful to watch this bullshit. This team is underachieving and nothing against the players to the team, the coaches are just not good. I'll watch and support from my tv, but spending $1,000's to watch this product in person is not worth it. Not at all.
Brady needs to walk his fat ass back to Ball State - though I doubt they'd even want him back there.
I have been a Hoke supporter, however, while the offense is indeed horrible, this team and last years team did not improve, neither have been properly prepared for games and , the entire staff is regularly out coached . There are player issues, but there is talent. It's up to coaches to get. a QB in place that can lead and win. The biggest issue is these players are not playing anywhere near their capabilities- that'd coaching. Yeah, the defense is better than the offense, but still poor in many phases such that Mattison is not the savior everyone thinks. Time to make the change because this staff is not moving forward, they are moving backward. Next week will deal the deal.
but please fire Funk at the end of the season too!
Michigan-Where no yardage is better than negative yardage.
Jesus, I was thinking of doing a diary on a study that shows significantly reduced brain capacity in obese individuals...
we're talking 50 year olds getting outperformed on mental motor tasks by 80 year olds.
Then I thought no... I'm taking it too far. At least I'm not alone.
Bo Schembechler never lost more than 3 games in one year in conference.
Gary Moeller never lost more than 3 games in one year in conference.
Lloyd Carr never lost more than 3 games in one year in conference.
That covers Michigan football between 1969 and 2007. Hoke and Rodriguez have had more than 3 losses in conference every year except two since 2007, despite the Big ten being at it's weakest point over that period. We need a coach who can win in conference. Every year, no matter what.
AND THIS IS THE BEST HOKE CAN DO???? we got problems
45 yards, 2:49 and 3 first downs later and it's Arizona 7-Oregon 0.
Then Oregon goes 3 and out.
I'll bet a bunch that that is superior to the first exchange that goes between M and OSU next week.
M offense not competent.
Are the players on the M offense worse than their counterparts at:
or, for that matter,
Rutgers or Maryland?
Their on-field performance is worse. Whaddya s'pose the difference might be?
Worst O in the Big 14. Contemplate that for a moment.
RR's teams improved every year, Brady's teams have gotten worse.
RR got fired despite year-to-year improvement; it wasn't enough, apparently.
It's obvious that this is not the kind of thing Michigan expects, and a competent AD would start the search today for a new HC.
7-4 is a disasster of a season for a team with this kind of talent, despite their youth, and next week will be slaughter. There will be, and should be, calls for Hoke's termination.
But it won't happen. Brandon has neither the desire, nor the balls, to fire Hoke and his staff and face yet another rebuilding period. But as far as I'm concerned, this nonsense is on him.
It's easy to fire someone else's hire.
Hoke was Brandon's hire. He won't do anything.
deserved a 4th year. If you believe that, then push for Hoke to have another year to prove coaches need time to develop their program.
Otherwise, it's just a tantrum over the past that doesn't shape the present or future.
You're right, of course, RR is over. But that isn't my point.
If he's consistent, Brandon lets Hoke go.. I don't see that happening, of course, Hoke is his hire. He'll come up with his justifications.
Someone's gotta be out there who can bring the program back, though.
Comparing Hoke to RR:
Hoke: 26 wins; RR: 15 wins
Hoke: 0 Big Ten titles; RR: 0 Big Ten titles
Hoke: 3 total bowl games (2 in NYD); RR: 1 total bowl game (1 on NYD, amazingly)
Hoke: 4-5 vs rivals (assuming loss next week); RR: 2-7 vs rivals
The problem is that Hoke has gone down hill. 11-2; 8-5; 7-6???. RR was actually trending upward and you could argue that Hoke's 11-2 was with RR's players. The important items such as winning Big Ten titles and beating MSU and OSU - they are both big fails. And with the way MSU and OSU are playing, my question to the fan base - and Dave Brandon - is: do you think Hoke is the man to get us where we need to go? If the answer is yes, then we stay the course and hope young players improve and maybe make some tweaks to the staff. If not, then who is and let's go out and get that person, no matter the cost. After all, Stephen Ross didn't donate $100M to the athletic department for what we are currently displaying.
The problem is this team is weak. Physically and mentally.
I think that, yes, some questionable play calling, but I think we are fooling ourselves thinking that a coaching change would make the difference. Coaching doesn't drop passes, get beat on the line, or dive short of first down to avoid a hit. 2013 is the first time I can remember a Michigan team, as a whole, that has been more disrespectful of those who came before them. It scares me too because that is the traits the young kids will take away from this season.
I can deal with being out talented like 2008, but I can't remember being out classed so badly.
Seriously, what more is there to say? It's bad.
At least he has an excuse after losing his top two linebackers during the game. Gedeon wasn't ready and bolden is just average. Probably Iowa's defense last year would have looked better if their top two linebackers were not out. This is all on Borges, Brady Marinelli, and the offense. Literally the worst offense (maybe tied with Purdue) in the Big 10 right now. Youth or not, there is no excuse. They are just horrible at their jobs. You could probably bring in a high school coordinator off the street and be as effective as borges. Just an utter waste of talent.
I don't think his idea of fun in his older years is trying to keep Michigan as a 7-5 and 8-4 team. There's going come a point where he says this is not worth it, I thought we were going to be a great team and we are far from that.
but. It's all on Hoke, Hoke, Hoke. There's only one person ultimately responsible for this team's performance and that's Brady Hoke. Hate to say it, but he might be in over his head.
And I really don't like him now
It is no longer just Al. Al is his guy. Coaches are supposed to know talent, that includes your staff. This is all Hoke now. Even in the "good" years, Borges was turned into the other D-coordinator's bitch (Va tech, MSU every f-ing time, now mighty Iowa, Awesome Nebraska, we could go on here). Loyalty needs to be earned. Fix this or both be gone.
When Borges is asked why his shoes are always untied, he claims that the laces just "didn't execute well enough". Nevermind that he practices tieing his shoes with oven mitts on and blindfolded.
RichRod up 14-0 on Oregon.
I'm wondering where all those former players are who call themselves "Michigan Men," and who openly criticized the sitting staff in the media, saying (among other things) that you have to run a pro-style to win in the B1G. Now, spread-based Ohio is clearly the class of the league while we are struggling to gain yards against defenses with average talent and coaching.
Preach it brother.
The term Michigan Man lost pretty much all meaning in those three years, when they were torching the wrong guy, the guy whose worst quality was excessive loyalty, keeping his d-backs coach while losing a good D-coordinator and picking up the GERG.
The real punking should have been and should still be on Lloyd who left the program without a successor after 30 years in the program and 15 as Head Coach, and without players by failing to recruit and then helping guys transfer when he quit.
3rd gen M, 2nd gen M baseball, short on patience.
The first seeds of destruction were planted around the time of the '05 recruiting class.
Lloyd, RichRod, Hoke, and many others (Bill Martin) share the blame.
I must admit that I am (in dark way) favorably impressed by the tireless defenders of Team Lloyd. He bequeathed the least talented overall team ('08) in the modern era to Rodriguez.
I''m to the point now that I just don't care. It's that bad. This team is a joke, hard to watch, and the world is laughing at us. We may lose 72-0 next week.
Brady, you're a nice man, but you need to go.