The Snowflake Thread: Coaching

Submitted by LSAClassOf2000 on

This is your snowflake thread for coaching decisions and overall coaching in the game. Tread lightly, as these threads are watched. 

bo_lives

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:28 PM ^

all the apologists basically keep saying, "but the players are just so bad..." It's the same sorry excuse we heard during the RR years. Good coaches and good coordinators have done a lot more with a lot less than what we have right now.

FGB

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:28 PM ^

I think back to when Hoke was hired.  It was a bold call at the time that at first seemed to have paid off because even though Hoke himself wasn't necessarily a great football mind, he's a great guy, great recruiter, and could attract top coaches to handle the x's and o's. 

But to be that kind of Les Miles-type coach, whose role is sort of caretaker and general face of the program, you have to make the tough calls with your coaches.  I would never want to be LSU, ever, but you look at that approach, they cycled through coordinators constantly, trying to find something that worked, and they never had things as bad as this.

If Hoke cant do this right here and now, it speaks very poorly for him

 

Bambi

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:28 PM ^

At least RR got better every year, Hoke is regressing.

This entire staff needs to go. Can anyone give me a good reason not to sell my tickets to OSU fans and actually go watch us get destroyed anally next week?

AMazinBlue

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:28 PM ^

...crickets.  It was bad in all three phases.  The defense didn't tackle well and got run over on the last scoring drive by Iowa.  The offense is still horrible.  Borges needs to go, but Touissaint really has no strength.  He gets taken down by extended arms, not even tackles.  Gardner has regressed every week since Indiana.  He seems to play scared and I understand that, but then the coaching doesn't help him either.  And Special teams gets nothing going, the punting is awful and the kick coverage today was the worst it's been all season.

In, pooprly executed game, and being the 11th game of the season, that's due to terrible coaching.  This staff needs to only look in the mirror to see where the problems lie.  If Hoke doesn't make major changes, hie job security will be very weak next year. 

A REAL OC and a REAL quarterback coach and an OLine coach are a must.

And, byt the way...get rid the legends jerseys, these kids are just not earning them.

sdogg1m

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:29 PM ^

1) I cannot remember the last time a defense produced four turnovers and gift 14 points to the offense and that team still LOST the game.

2) Three second half first downs! THREE!!!!

3) No attempt to work in Shane Morris when clearly every week our offense is inept.

All of this points to problems with our coaching staff in general and Borges in particular.

ESNY

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:37 PM ^

Seriously, what would putting Morris in at this point do besides get him injured?   Borges' play calling are dead on arrival, we can't block, pick up blitzes and insist on deep patterns.  Putting in a true frosh QB would make it even worse

sdogg1m

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:46 PM ^

His confidence is shaky and sometimes he bails on a play way too early.

Nothing worked for Michigan's offense in the second half and there is no good reason to keep Morris on the sideline. I have no clue why anyone would excuse a person playing because of a potential "injury." If that is the case why even play football as any of our players can get injured at any point.

mejunglechop

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:28 PM ^

I've been saying this for a while, but if Hoke doesn't win 15 games between this year and next he won't make it to year 5.

GMHW

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:31 PM ^

It was an improved game for Borges but that isn't saying much. Greg Davis probably called a better game, maybe, I don't know, its a toss-up. At the end of the year DB needs to have a sit-down with Hoke, heart-to-heart and if he doesn't like what he hears i.e. the offensive coaches are doing a great job... it may be time to fire Brady Hoke. Part of it depends on what's available right now.

RagingBean

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:32 PM ^

There has to be a breaking point. If we get slaughtered next week I feel like Hoke and Brandon will have to see the writing on the wall. This collapse due to the offense's incompetence is going to kill ticket sales and donations going into next year unless changes are made.

The difference between us and Florida this year is two miraculous escapes against UConn and Akron. That coaching staff is going to get scorched, if not outright canned, for its failures. How can we not expect something similar?

goblue81

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:29 PM ^

FireBorges+++++++

The last TO before halftime was just an awful decision or at least poorly timed in relation to the game clock.  Iowa got a good return and almost made us pay for it.

Next week is going to suck...

ESNY

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:39 PM ^

If they are truly behind him, the engineer of one of the most pathetic offenses in the history of Michigan, then our program is trouble.   9 out of 11 games this season have been abysmal offensive performances, most of which occurred against terrible defenses too.   How anyone can defend him is beyond me.

uminks

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:42 PM ^

May be DB does not want us to be a top football school anymore. Beside the fluke in 2011 we have not been and Hoke and his staff have continued to provide us with bad football. You can talk all about the youth you want. Other top programs seem to manage those years when they have a lot of young players. I'm just depressed because I do not see much improvement under this staff and next season will be very similar! Pathetic.

pullin4blue

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:29 PM ^

I would love to be a fly on the wall for Dave Brandon's meeting with Brady Hoke. It has to be so difficult to extract money from donors when your premier athletic team looks so pathetic. I know I'm not feeling very charitable right now.

CoachParker6

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:30 PM ^

Brady's first answer at the presser: "well I thought we did some nice things offensively just couldn't keep drives going and had a couple third downs we'd like to have back".

I Like Burgers

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:31 PM ^

I don't care anymore. Maybe a historically bad loss to Ohio State at home (38 pts is the benchmark) is just what this team needs.  Could force Hoke into making a change he'd rather not make at this time.

M-Dog

November 23rd, 2013 at 3:31 PM ^

Gardner has been blitzed so much this year, he's like a shell-shocked soldier.  He's lost all confidence mentally.  He's beat physically just as much.

The whole point of Gardner as your QB is the damage he can do with his feet as well as through the air.  But he's lost his speed along with his confidence.  He's an empty shell at QB.

The coaches need to consider next year that it's now time to get Morris in the system.