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Smart Football on Oregon's Offense

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8631595/the-success-chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-offense-more-familiar-seems

Chris Brown (@smartfootball) has an excellent read up on Grantland about Chip Kelley's philosopy regarding offense. 2 things that really stuck out to me (besides the great scheme and play breakdowns) is that Kelly was actually an O-Line coach to get his start, and he really only had 4 blocking schemes for his OL in 2008. Thing 2 was that his absolute goal is to run the ball up the middle on you. Give it a read.

While the coach-player interaction may be limited during Kelly's practices, it's significant before and after them, mostly in the teaching of scheme. At its most fundamental, Kelly's system is a carefully organized, carefully practiced method for forcing defenses to defend the whole field, and then exploiting those areas left exposed. And the first tool Kelly uses is a surprising one: math.

"If there are two high safeties [i.e., players responsible for deep pass defense], mathematically there can only be five defenders in the box. With one high safety, there can be six in the box. If there is no high safety, there can be seven in the box," Kelly explained at the 2011 spring Nike Coach of the Year Clinic. The easiest case is if the defense plays with two deep defenders: "With two high safeties, we should run the ball most of the time. We have five blockers and they have five defenders."

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As Vanderbilt's excellent offensive line coach, Herb Hand, recently told me, "I tell my offensive line that if the defense plays two safeties deep, it's like spitting in your face — it's a lack of respect for your run game." Oregon's run game doesn't suffer from any lack of respect; as a result, they rarely face two-deep defenses except on obvious passing downs.

When a team brings that extra defender into the box, the calculus for the offense changes. "If the defense has one high safety and six defenders in the box, the quarterback has to be involved in the play," Kelly explained. "He has to read one of the defenders, in effect blocking him. We can block five defenders and read the sixth one." Marcus Mariota, Oregon's dynamic freshman quarterback, has been an excellent blocker without hitting anyone at all.

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November 15th, 2012 at 11:02 AM | Great read.  Thanks for (Score:1)
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Great read.  Thanks for posting

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November 15th, 2012 at 11:04 AM | That math bullshit will never (Score:5 Normal)
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That math bullshit will never work in the BiG Ten.

or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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November 15th, 2012 at 1:00 PM | What the odds don't know is (Score:1)
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What the odds don't know is that this isn't a math test. 

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November 15th, 2012 at 11:04 AM | I feel smart when I read (Score:1)
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I feel smart when I read smart phootbaw

www.eatacheeseburger.blogspot.com Brian Cook has read this blog!

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November 15th, 2012 at 11:07 AM | Carolina would be smart to (Score:0 Overrated)
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Carolina would be smart to run as far away from Ron Rivera as possible at seasons end and hire this man.

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November 15th, 2012 at 11:10 AM | Bah... (Score:3 Normal)
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sounds like Communist math to me.

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November 15th, 2012 at 1:33 PM | NO POLITICS (Score:3 Normal)
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NO POLITICS!

- The Team, The Team, The Team.

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November 15th, 2012 at 11:18 AM | I just read this article last (Score:3 Normal)
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I just read this article last night and thought it was informative.  Many folks think that Oregon's spread is a gimmicky finnesse offense.  But I've always thought it's just a different strategy to power run the football that puts the defense at a disadvantage in many ways.  The defense is basically forced to tip their hand, and then the offense can set up the right blocking scheme to run the ball, which is what old school football is all about.  I'm impressed.

Will it work against a team as talented on defense as Alabama?  That's the big question.  When Oregon played Auburn in the national title game, it wasn't quite as explosive.  But I think any offense will struggle against a talented defense, no matter what the scheme.

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November 15th, 2012 at 11:23 AM | I think you got your answer (Score:2 Normal)
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I think you got your answer to the Alabama question last weekend, bud.

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November 15th, 2012 at 11:34 AM | My non-expert take (Score:3 Normal)
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Teams have had success defending Oregon when they've disrupted the Duck's interior offensive line.  I remember that Cal held Oregon to a relatively low number of points a year or two ago because Cal's DTs were shoving Oregon's interior lineman around...So the Jimmys and Joes can beat Oregon's Xs & Os if they're good enough (you're welcome, Magnus). 

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November 15th, 2012 at 3:03 PM | Distrupting the interior (Score:2 Normal)
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Distrupting the interior offensive line is how you beat any offense.

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November 15th, 2012 at 11:37 AM | I think it will help a lot (Score:1 Overrated)
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I think it will help a lot that Oregon has been able to up their recruiting these last few years with the success they've had and the "scouting" they've paid for.  Part of the issue against Auburn was that they were going up against a DL much better than their OL.  Alabama's DL doesn't seem quite so good this year plus Oregon may have a better OL.  I think it would have been a good game if Alabama could have held onto the number one spot and Oregon coming out on top would cement the spread as not a gimmick offense.

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November 15th, 2012 at 12:00 PM | Regarding Practices... (Score:2)
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"For all of the hype surrounding Oregon games, Oregon practices might be even better. Oregon practices are filled with blaring music and players sprinting from drill to drill. Coaches interact with players primarily through whistles, air horns, and semi-communicative grunts. " - from the article

I found this part about practices interesting as well. It is interesting that he's using the football equivalent of quality management here in that the practice is essentially designed to minimize wasted time and maximize the work. Making concepts like "uptempo" and "no-huddle" part of the football culture of Oregon is obviously paying huge dividends.

In looking at the highlighted play against Wisconsin, the link in the story to LaMichael James doing the same thing against Stanford essentially provides some even better views of Kelly using unbalanced sets in a basic zone read formation. The Oregon offensive line is pretty good, I think, at creating the holes necessary for the inside run on these option plays, holes that no one ever seems to pick up against them. The Ducks are one of the better teams at creating one more gap than the defense can reasonably defend.

 

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November 15th, 2012 at 12:44 PM | Systems, systems, systems (Score:5 Normal)
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Systems are super-sexy.  I don't think there is a man among us who doesn't believe that game-planning and creative scheming can create a competitive advantage.

But what system you run really doesn't matter--it's how well you run it.  I know lots of people on this board favor the spread no-huddle approach to offense, because it can be fun to watch and is most definitely college football's current preferred flavor.  But again, the system itself isn't the most important thing--it's how well you run it, and that has a lot to do with your players.

Let's jump to the NFL for a second.  Not long ago, many fans and pundits declared that the Tampa 2 (a base cover 2 defense) was dead.  After all, Tampa doesn't even run it anymore.  But this year's Chicago Bears are the NFL's 5th-ranked defense, and lead the league with 19 INTs and seven defensive TDs.

The famed West Coast Offense has often been lambasted for being out-of-date, and even "dead".  But the Green Bay Packers offense is based on the WCO, and they don't seem to have too much trouble moving the ball.

My point is this: while systems can be a method used to gain a competitive advantage over an opponent, every system requires precision, talent, and execution in order to be successful.  And, any well-run system can be successful.  It wasn't long ago that everyone thought the wishbone and veer triple option was dead; Georgia Tech and Air Force have proven that's not the case.  Alabama uses two running plays on about 90% of their runs: the inside zone and the outside zone.

The Grantland article points out the strengths of the Oregon system: spread out the defense to make it easier to read, thus simplifying the decisions for the offense to counter what the defense is doing.  But it also demonstrates the importance of talent: that 91-yard TD run depended on great blocking and a RB that is faster than lightning.  

Ironically, Borges' WCO-inspired offense is styled in much the same way: force the defense to show their hand before the snap.  He uses bunch formations and motion to force his opponents to show him what they're doing with their coverage, and to move them around pre-snap.  Unlike the original WCO, which used short, quick route trees almost exclusively, Borges believes in having a deep option on almost every passing play, spreading the field vertically.

Kelly's offense depends on his WRs beating man coverage in order to be effective (if opponents sell out against the run).  This is EXACTLY what Borges tried to do against 'Bama and ND...but Denard couldn't get them the ball and the WRs couldn't get open.  Even the inventor of the spread no-huddle, Rich Rodriguez, couldn't get his offenses to be effective against top competition while at Michigan--largely due to personnel issues.

The truth is, any system can work, as long as it's coached and executed properly.  That requires not only smart scheming and intelligent players, but also talent.  As Grantland rightly points out, not even Chip Kelly's mad-scientist-genius-golden-child offense could move the ball effectively against Auburn in the NCG...and we now know that Gene Chizik is no mastermind.

Bottom line: X's and O's do matter...but not nearly as much as the QUALITY (not the scheme) of the coaching and the players.

Thank you, Coach Hoke, for bringing Michigan back.

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November 15th, 2012 at 12:57 PM | Agreed (Score:4 Normal)
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I think it's interesting to note, and was important, that Scheme wasn't the inherently most important thing to Kelly.

Also, BEARS /Farley voice

I think that your points are well noted also with the "Wildcat" craze the NFL had a few years ago. Here was a wrinkle that allowed less talented teams to beat more talented ones (Dolphins vs. Pats) until everyone remembered how to defend the single wing. Once it wasn't a trick play, the scheme didn't matter. Execution and talent did.

It's like Bo said, it all comes back to blocking and tackling.

"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"

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November 15th, 2012 at 1:38 PM | Jimmys and Joes (Score:1)
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While I am thoroughly entertained during Oregon's games with the pace and scheme, it's all dependent on their athletes. Their stable of lightning quick backs, rangy receivers, Lyerla and Mariota make it explosive. Thomas is lightning and maybe only 1 or 2 other players would've taken the Rose Bowl play to the house so easily.

Chip certainly deserves credit for developing a pace, conditioning the team and recruiting the right players (snarky comments aside) to constantly pressure the D. The pace creates even more situations where one-on-one matchups in space give and advantage to O's speed and conditioning.

At the end of the day, all the great teams and programs have matched their scheme and their talent pool. When the talent pool weakens, these "great" schemes are exposed. OU wishbone, Neb power-I, Miami pro set, Florida power spread - each were incredibly productive until the key skill positions were less than elite. Then the reliance on superior athleticism becomes a liability because the scheme totally depends on winning specific matchups.

Maybe Chip wants to go to the NFL because he knows the recruitment of key athletes is too difficult without testing NCAA bylaws ...

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November 15th, 2012 at 1:54 PM | That's an interesting (Score:1)
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That's an interesting perspective because I was wondering if the opposite would be true. If Chip gets to the NFL, and his line is about equal in talent or less talented than his opponents, will he still be able to have success? Basically, is he winning now because his talent, with respect to his competition, is better? And in an enviornment like the NFL where every guy is a super star, can his scheme still work? I'm going to go with yes. It will work, but I doubt that he'll have the same success. 

It'll be interesting to see if he gets in. And imagine if Denard is his "QB who can also run". 

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November 15th, 2012 at 2:20 PM | He said he wants a throwing (Score:3 Normal)
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He said he wants a throwing QB who can run.  Denard is a running QB who can throw a little bit.  I doubt he would Denard to be his quarterback in the NFL.

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November 15th, 2012 at 3:01 PM | I can dream, damn it.    I'm (Score:1)
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I can dream, damn it. 

 

I'm calling it right now. After Denard's lengthy, injury free career in the NFL as the starting quarter back who will lead his teams to many Super Bowl victories, he will study medicine and cure cancer, AIDS, and the common cold. Then he will start his multi-national conglomerate, and donate a gillian dollars to charity. And after many years of success in the business world, he will enter politics and be elected president. Shortly there after he will bring peace to the middle east and unlock cold fusion.

 

 

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November 15th, 2012 at 2:57 PM | He'd love - just not at QB (Score:1)
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DR doesn't throw well enough, particularly the intermediate seam route that is a staple play.

But I think Chip's offense is one of the few schemes that could work in an NFL setting:
1. His offense doesnt require 11 outstanding players - just 6 "space" athletes and 5 conditioned OL. I think he could snag the athletes (imagine DeSean Jackson and Sproles in his scheme)
2. It's not about deception that other teams decipher with 100-hour work weeks. Conditioning and winning 1-on-1 matchups are not readily coached in 6 practices to prep for Chip.
3. Unlimited practice would allow even more scheming by Chip as he won't devote practice solely to repetitions.
4. Chip can sell his "speed" approaching as extending careers compared to smash-mouth style.

Saints, Colts, Patriots and Rams are recent teams that won big with some pace & no huddle & finesse run games.

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November 15th, 2012 at 3:33 PM | My only concern would be the (Score:1)
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My only concern would be the linemen. The D-lines in the NFL are nothing like the D-lines in college. The coverage is better too. I don't think the space guys would be that hard to find. I do think that the QB and the O-line would be tough to build.

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November 15th, 2012 at 3:06 PM | The Eagles may be in the market for a coach next year (Score:2)
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Vick, Jackson, Maclin and Shady would fit a lot of the positions Kelly is looking for. Their OL sucks, but if Kelly can simplify their blocking to a few reads, he may improve them that way.

Although now that I think about it, I think that the ineligible-downfield rule could really hinder Kelly in the NFL. His OL can run-block now and as long as they don't get 3 yards downfield, passes are legal. In the NFL they can't cross the line of scrimmage on a pass play.

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November 15th, 2012 at 3:16 PM | Good fit (Score:1)
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Chip might cringe with the weather. Oh heck, just another reason for Eagles ownership to get a new stadium with a retractable roof for $1.4 billion.

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November 15th, 2012 at 3:13 PM | Chip vs Al (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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The most interesting quote is Chip's admonition: "You can be anything you want, but you have to define it."

I cringe when OCs use the phrase "we want to be multiple." That's coach-speak for inability or fear of picking one identity and committing to making it work. Those offenses are usually berated as lacking rhythm and bogging down for extended periods. Al says that he uses a variety of styles and our mix of spread, power I, and WCO is proof of a system lacking confidence to dictate a style of play. Hence we struggle against good defenses and in the red zone.

I know the offense will supposedly morph post-Denard. However, we need a clear identity and not a collection of pieces with a preferred style. Recruiting, execution and overall program culture hinge on this definition. But it must be clearly defined.

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November 15th, 2012 at 3:35 PM | "I cringe when OCs use the (Score:3 Normal)
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"I cringe when OCs use the phrase "we want to be multiple." That's coach-speak for inability or fear of picking one identity and committing to making it work."

Ummmm...no, it's not.

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November 15th, 2012 at 4:19 PM | Really? (Score:2)
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Let's look at a few teams that have used "multiple" elements in their offense, instead of just having one key identity:

  • Ohio (under Tressel)
  • Penn State
  • USC
  • Georgia
  • LSU
  • Florida State

I'm sure there are more, but the point is that using multiple approaches to maximize the talent of your personnel is hardly the result of "fear" or "lacking confidence."

Thank you, Coach Hoke, for bringing Michigan back.

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November 15th, 2012 at 6:20 PM | Ummm, exactly (Score:1)
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First, the list is inaccurate based on self-declarations by Kiffin and Richt as definitive "pro style" offenses with NFL caliber pocket passers. They strive for balance and find creative ways to get the ball in their playmakers hands, but the blocking, routes and recruiting are fully pro style.

Second, the other 3 offenses are 56, 71 and 11 in total offense rankings. Granted there can be talent and match-up reasons for the middling rankings, but FSU's 11 ranking is also a product of weak ACC defenses.

Third, some highly successful coaches (Saban, Meyer, Kelly, Gundy, Sumlin, Richt) ascribe to a specific style and build their system around it. They all strive for balance and consistency of execution as a byproduct of a single system.

We can go back and forth debating styles and quality of performances and even why teams don't clearly define themselves (highly creative OCs, lack of confidence in players, hodgepodge of talent, difficulty of DCs to game plan, etc).

My central point was to posit that UM would benefit from a clear offensive identity as Chip states. Recruiting and execution should stabilize at a higher level with this strategic clarity.

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