Sid Hartman loses his mind re: Kill v Hoke
Hello Board:
I just read something that has me flabbergasted. Sid Hartman is a 93-year-old blowhard who used to GM the Minneapolis Lakers, and is famous up here in the Twin Cities for being ridiculous. This comment might take the cake.
He's ticked off that his buddy Bob Knight wasn't considered for the Gophers' job, and he wonders how Richard Pitino can follow a "legend" like Tubby. But here's what he writes this morning:
Still, Pitino might turn out be a great coach despite his youth (30) and having only one year of experience as a head coach.
Hiring a big-time football or basketball coach has been difficult in the past for the Gophers, but some great coaches are out there that haven’t received as much publicity.
For instance, Jerry Kill wasn’t contacted for the Gophers football job in 2010 until a number of others turned it down. Kill was fifth on the Gophers’ list but he has turned out better than the No. 1 candidate, who supposedly was Brady Hoke, who was at San Diego State and was hired by Michigan in 2011.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/201557391.html
lulz
That makes sense to me. Minnesota has totally kicked our ass the past couple years.
Literally LOL'ed
Old age can really fuck with your brain, huh?
He is 93...
70 years older than you!
Oh, surprise surprise, another insightful post!
Anyways, Kill does actually have a pretty good record of turning bad teams into good teams. Not that I don't admire Hoke, but Kill does have some strong talking points.
Took over Southern Ill. U. in 2001. Went 1-10 first season. By 2007 they were 10-2 and had been improving every year. He went 6-7 in 2008 at Northern Ill. U and was 10-3 (undefeated in conference) two years later. He then went 3-9 in his first year and 6-7 his second at Minn.
Honestly, the guy has proven that he can make a losing team win. Hoke just did it a lot faster.
~Herm
Relevant; someone should find a way to get this to this guy:
I am going to miss Denard
I actually find the fact that Brady Hoke turned down Minnesota one year before getting hired by Michigan funnier for some reason. It's just that Minnesota's AD obvious had a good judge of character, but Hoke wasn't walking across the country for just any program.
It wasn't the year before, but just a few weeks before we offered Hoke. They fired Brewster during the 2010 season.
Finger spasm double post.
i'm just going to start making up completely false,head slapping statements when anyone ask me a question from now on.
Clearly the words of a person that doesn't understand how scoreboards work.
hahahahahahahahahaha
(Subject line wasn't large enough to hold my laughter).
I don't know. It's like trying to compare the Egg Genie to the Flowbee, cain't go wrong with either one.
Watch it... watch it...
You'll never win a political office if you make AARP your enemy.
HEY(!) Who told you you could stop signing your posts(!) There are RULES here.
C'mon, make up your minds people. Half the time I get yelled at by people FOR signing and half for NOT.
Don't worry, I'll alternate to piss off both groups.
~Herm
I do not think it means what you think it means.
I belive proper grammer in this case would be "Sid Hartman lost his mind"
Like about 30 years ago.....
Let's pony up and see if we can hire Kill away from Minny. Not only is he kicking ass on the field, he's killing us on the recruiting trail as well.
They are too good, I dont want to mess with them and anger them more.
For the record, Sid Hartman is a senile old man that has spent the last bunch of years making an ass of himself and ruining the legacy that he had. I don't think he represents the thoughts of any Gopher fans.
A twitter search for Sid Hartman will give you a sense of how he represented himself at the press conference today. Apparently he asked something along the lines of, "Mr. AD, you're suppose to be a basketball genius, why did it take you so long?" (Note: The search took 9 days)
Hey probably meant turned out better as in Hoke would have left Minnesota after only one year.
That story Kills me.
as much as the fact that he's just a fucking idiot.
I am very happy to have Hoke at UM (yes this UM not that one).
However, it is really hard to point to 58-0 and thus conclude one coach is better than the other. The only real test of that would be creating some alternative universe where Hoke coaches Minnesota and have Kill coach here. In that case, does anyone really think Hoke and the Gophers would win 58-0?
As Bear Bryant (supposedly) said: "I can take mine and beat yours, and I can take yours and beat mine." Not sure if that's true here. Forceful argument on either side is just guesswork.
I think the point is a lot simpler: it's absurd to call one coach better than a guy who beat him 58-0. Hartman is literally making that claim.
That Hoke's teams have twice beaten Kill's teams soundly is not indisputable evidence that he is a better coach than Kill, given that he inherited a better program - but it sure isn't any kind of evidence in the other direction.
Every 'scoreboard' response on this here board is painfully idiotic.
It's whether Kill's Wolverines WOULD win 58-0.
I'd take a wild guess and say probably not.
I just don't see how you can consider Kill a good hire. Minnesota is an extremely long term rebuilding project for anyone and Kill is likely going to have his career cut short by medical issues. Unless Minnesota gets lucky and Kill can groom an assistant to replace him, they're going to be wandering in the wilderness within a couple of years.
I will never understand the fascination with Jerry Kill. I get that he has seizuers and that is sad and everything, but he isn't a good coach or recruiter. How long can an illness keep someone employed who is unsuccessful in their position? I just don't get it.
The problem with your argument is that he hasn't been unsuccessful at his position.
His records have steadily improved everywhere he's been. At Minnesota he went 3-9, then 6-7. At Northern Illinois he went from 6-7 to 10-3. At Southern Illinois he went from 1-10 to 4-8 to 10-2 to 9-4 to 12-2.
So you're saying following records for three years at a program would be a succes?
3–9
5–7
7–6
I think you're going to need therapy to get over Rich Rod. He's not coming back.
Rich Rod replaced Lloyd Carr. Jerry Kill replaced Tim Brewster. Therein lies the key distinction.