That is one hell of a job spinning getting your ass kicked at home into something positive for State.
SIAP:Hoke-a-mania driving Sparty out of the state.
I was confused reading your comment as I initially thought "wha...Demar?" It made no sense to me. Then I realized you were talking about Matt Dorsey, the author of the article.
when i was reading the article. He is really trying to believe Dantonio has this master plan going and it has nothing to do with Hoke stomping his ass.
Any minute now, King Leonidas will lead his band of 300 warriors and attack Michigan's flank. Xerxes could have won the Battle of Thermopylae if he had an army of millions of wolverines.
Attack the flank? I think you mean sucker punch a kid standing in his front yard. But yes, I agree that they will bring 300 to do it.
Or prison-kick a guy lying on the ground by the bar after he knocks one of their hats off.
How people are not ashamed of that program is beyond me. The stuff that Dantonio allows to happen would make me pull a Mike Boren if I was a football alum (not that they have a main rival for the son to transfer to).
And I just don't understand it. I would honestly rather lose the right way than win the wrong way. The thinking of MSU/Auburn/Tressel supporters just baffles me.
Sometimes when I was very young I would pretend to have trouble finding the exact coordinate my opponent called and surreptitiously move one of my ships out of the way. It felt a little bad at the time, but you WON THE GAME.
...your last line makes me want to say "Roll Daymn Tide".
If you read that entire article there is an UNBELIEVABLE amount of excuse making for what the MSU recruiting class could be.
That's gold Jerry! Gold!
I see this article was written by an MSU grad:
"The Spartans has proven that they can go all over the country"
and. . .
"That's because of, in part, Michigan coach Brady Hoke is doing exactly what Dantonio did when he arrived."
I just wanted to point out that your avatar is probably the coolest ever.
Coming off a Big Ten championship, it will not be difficult for MSU to walk into schools and impress recruits. The Spartans has proven that they can go all over the country and bring high-level talent to East Lansing
Not only is this an incredibly poorly written 2 sentences, I also completely disagree.
whoops...wrong spot...if I knew how to post a picture of a cat, I would
It's still junk, it's still going to fall apart, and you're still Little Brother, Sparty.
it has to be easier for them to walk into schools and impress recruits who haven't yet seen their stadium up close. Once recruits have seen that, it gets a lot harder to impress them.
So he must have meant "...it will not be relatively difficult for MSU to walk into schools and impress recruits."
My personal favorite part is "The Spartans has proven", of course they graduated from MSU. The sad part is they were probably an english major.
I went back and looked through MSU's recruiting since 2006 on rivals. They have maybe 2 or 3 4* recruits who came from outside of the midwest. They had one guy in '06 who was from NY. Other than that, every 4* recruit they got was either a) from the midwest or b) from a JUCO
If MSU relies on getting their talent from outside of the midwest, then they are doomed doomed doomed
The author also conveniently leaves out that the only time MSU was really on the national stage last year they lost by 40 to Bama
Come on, that's not fair. Their game against Iowa was national too...
And that was only lost by 31.
From the contents of the article, it sounds as though Sparty was beginning the search elsewhere before Hoke even arrived.
Granted, it does look as though Michigan is going to lock up the state's top recruits, so I cannot fault you there. However, I don't think there is any cause/effect to the Spartan's recruit search.
You really think MSU's inability to pick up the top in-state talent is not effecting the spartan's recuriting search? ... Really?
I'm a bit intrested in that logic.
I acknowledged that we are kicking the shit out of MSU on the in-state recruiting front, but the OP's supposition is that it is because of this that Sparty is FORCED to re-target their search to out of state talent. What I'm saying is that per the article, MSU was already targeting their search outside of Michigan, so the notion that Hoke has forced MSU to look elsewhere is not altogether supported.
I will state again for those of you who have a hard time reading that I agree that we have reclaimed the state in the Honorable name of Wolverine, but that doesn't mean that Sparty wasn't looking elsewhere for talent before said action occurred.
Why would they go national unless they had to? The Midwest is totally loaded this year, including some traditional Sparty pipelines. Typical juggalos, right down to the author of the article, acting like we got it because they didn't want it. To paraphrase D-Mo, get the f@#% out of our state!
Oops posted to the wrong thread
any post that doesn't bash the shit out of Sparty is considered trolling, despite the fact that it might actually be a valid argument. Got it.
Does anyone know his rationale or math when he came up with 25 scholarships to hand out this year?
I don't think I've ever heard the term "backdating of scholarships". Maybe someone can explain what that means.
I assume he means early enrollees can count towards the 2011 recruiting class and its 25 scholarship limit. But from my understanding, 25 isn't going to be the limiting number this year, barring massive attrition, so I don't know what the point is.
WRT early enrollees: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/blueshirt-new-way-recruit
He's confused about the 25 scholarship/year limit (which can be fudged with early enrollees) and the 85 scholarship max.
Oops. Double post.
I just quickly counted MSU's offers right now and of their 89 offers 58 of them are from a big ten state. That's hardly "recruiting nationally" only 31 offers come from out of the big ten footprint; and only five of them come from the State of Florida. That's a little different than what this article says.
And last year MSU had 53 offers from big ten states and 21 offers from non big ten states. That ratio is very similar with 6 less big ten offers and 10 less non big ten state offers. So I'm calling 100% BS on this article.
They have proven they can bring in high-level talent from all over the country?
Since Dantonio took over as HC at MSU, they have exactly ONE player higher than a 3 star from outside of MI/OH, and he was from Indianapolis. (this is based on Scout rankings - Rivals is more generous giving them a 4-star from PA last year and a 4-star from Iowa in 2009, still hardly "all over the country")
Like others have said, that's one of the more false statements I've read in quite some time.
Say, from before the Louisiana Purchase?
Because if you don't count any states or territories added in the Louisiana Purchase or west of that, then MSU is clearly recruiting nationally, including Pennsylvania(!).
I do sort of agree with the idea that Hoke et al. should swing for the fences this year before they get a season under their belts. Right now they've got the winds of change at their backs. They can upsell the "we're going to turn things around in Ann Arbor" line. Next year's recruiting cycle may not have that same benefit (or at least it will be diminished, even with a decent season).
Even that logic is bogus, because "Hoke et al." will have played both teams before National Signing Day.
I am wondering if a single claim in the article cannot be refuted?
Freep is making me think that Michigan needs to expand its school of journalism recruiting as well and kick these incompetent Spartan fools out of the state. Hoke style
The University of Michigan School of Journalism competes for journalism recruits about as well as the University of Chicago football team competes for football recruits.
...but the Daily has occasionally had beat writers doing a better job on the Wolverines than the guys out there getting paid. Andrew Reid was the one example. When your student newspaper has better writing than the state's MSM, you are doing something right in the journalism department.
...like U of Chicago doesn't have a football program. It got scrapped right before I got there school in 1995, so I had to transfer to Kinesiology. The school dumped the remaining applied communications classes over to SMC at that time.
So whatever classes the Daily writers are taking does the trick!
Right now they've got the winds of change at their backs. They can upsell the "we're going to turn things around in Ann Arbor" line. Next year's recruiting cycle may not have that same benefit (or at least it will be diminished, even with a decent season).
If we beat Sparty, the effect won't be diminished at all. Then Hoke will be 1-0 against them. We saw this after 2001. Tressel only went 7-5 that year, but beat us, and that alone fueled the perception that he was turning things around.
If we can also pull the upset against the Bucks, we'll probably have a monster recruiting class the next year.
Goal #1 for Hoke is to win the Big Ten. The best way to do that is to beat out Big Ten competition for the talent that's in Big Ten country. There are offers out there to people outside the conference area, but I'm loving the fact that they're getting these local players....and unlike early Dantonio days, they aren't just taking random 3 stars for the sake of building relationships. They're getting the top kids from the best midwest class in years.
I like the "technically" before undefeated. Have we lost to one of them since January, but it doesn't count somehow?
I hate to defend the article but I don't see a problem with that. It is vacuously true that Hoke has not lost a game. Should we congratulate him (or Rodriguez) for being undefeated against the last 8 years of national champions (Auburn, Alabama, Florida, LSU, Texas and USC) in addition to Florida State, Miami, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Tennessee?
Hoke will (and should) benefit from the fact that he hasn't lost to OSU and MSU. But he doesn't have wins that he can point to YET. That is pretty much the proper use of "technically" in my mind.
from RCMB. Really, this could be some random poster over there.
Webb is our guy (so I'm biased), but he writes very well and has insights you expect from newpaper article
Dominate your state and that state to your south (that both start and end in an "o"). Then get the best national recruits out there! Overtime, the more you win the better your recruits both in and out of state, but no matter what Michigan should get good recruits even in our slightly down years!
While I found that funny, I thought that was an insult to Special Ed.
Michigan is not expanding it's base nationally. He just fails to mention that Michigan is, and has been a national brand. Spin doctors, God Bless them.
The Free Press sucks.
This was from the scout free board.
The Bowling Green Falcons recruit nationally.
Ryan Burbrink -- Maryland
Denard Turner -- Florida
Darrell Hunter -- Florida
Dominique Wharton -- New York
Travis Greene -- Florida
Scott Hodges -- California
Johnny Joseph -- Florida
Christian Piazza -- Virginia
Anthon Samuel -- Florida
Herve Coby -- Florida
Shaquille Hall -- Florida
Zach Colvin -- Illinois
Matt Johson -- Pa
I think we should be friends.
I like both of you about as much as I liked dealing with the media. Rest assured though, if you pay me a visit I will issue you a tremendous beating.
Tired Sparty rhetoric :
Dantonio has the luxury of picking and choosing this class.
Dantonio doesn't pressure his kids to commit early. He only wants guys that truly want to be Sparty For Life.
Dantonio encourages his recruits to take all the visits they want and thoroughly investigate each and every school.
Hoke can promise IMMEDIATE playing time (which is flawed logic and bullshit. Hoke, or any coach with integrity, doesn't promise playing time. They promise opportunity, but not flat out playing time).
Michigan can take EVERYBODY
Sparty has the best depth it's had in years so recruits might be reluctant to sing on, knowing they'll have to wait a year or two before seeing the field.
Dantonio has a history of letting true freshmen get playing time (sort of contradicts the meme about so much depth and having to bide their time).
The Hoke hype is getting too big for it's own good. ( Kids and parents make their own choice. They've chosen Hoke over Dantonio, resoundingly).
Hiring Mattison masks the fact that Hoke was our 3rd choice. (Somehow Sparty foregets that the Vest was OSU's 5th? 6th? 7th choice? and Dantonio definitely was not Sparty's first choice.)
Mattison read the writing on the wall and left Baltimore before being fired (blatantly incorrect).
All that aside, nothing will matter until we beat Sparty on the field.
Sounds like trolling SpartanTailgate is as fun and profitable as ever. Keep up the pressure on those Axe-wearing Natty Light-chugging hellspawn.
It's like watching a Donkey Show in Tijuana. I'm embarrassed that I watch, but I can't seem to turn away.
you're less likely to get caught than if it's after hours at the Mooby's.
I'm proud to report that I have no idea what Mooby's is or what goes on there.
Clerks 1 was better, but Clerks 2 (the one with Mooby's, which is a generic Micky D's clone) is FUNNY. Both movies also feature early appearances by Jay and Silent Bob.
I know Jay and Silent Bob from Dogma, that's it. Sadly, no....I never saw Clerks.
They're not my favorite movies, but Clerks is a classic that you should see. I think Mooby's was first introduced in Dogma though. Damon and Affleck go to a fast food executive meeting and smite some people. That was Mooby's. Then Clerks 2 takes place at a Mooby's franchise where the shenanigans really happen.
reluctant to sing because every Sparty knows...snitches get stitches.
Strangely, a lot of their fans think that the FHH losses they have suffered or might yet suffer (Burbridge is the guy that they are REALLY counting on) have to do with Dantonio "underestimating" Hoke. I have my doubts there. Any Michigan State coach knows that finding a way to outduel Michigan for players is a integral part of the job and is a constant problem. It doesn't get much easier when MSU is good and Michigan is down either. Which is why a good coach won't stay for very long. It's a really tough job.
Interestingly, I have heard some of their more informed fans say that the group of assistants he has are on the cheap and not well rounded recruiters like Michigan's staff. He either has good coaches who aren't good at recruiting, or the reverse. Apparently they won't pay for guys who are good at both.
There's a few things wrong with this:
- "Backdating scholarships" doesn't get you around the total number of scholarships you have available for your team overall, so that makes no sense.
- Since he used the words "elite national talent" I thought I'd look at who they've gotten to commit since 2008 outside of the midwest.
2008: One 3 star from Georgia. One 2 star from Virginia
2009: Two 3 stars, both from Florida.
2010: Three 3 stars (Florida, Georgia, Kansas). One 2 star from Georgia.
2011: Seven 3 stars (Cali, Georgia, Florida, Maryland, New Jersey, New Mexico, Ontario - I'll give them international in there). Seven out of 21 commitments. Now to look at the "elite" part of their 2011 class to see if that matches up. The offers these three stars had were:
- Fuo Fonoti was a JUCO kid. Had a decent offer list including Arizona, Rutgers, and UCLA. Not elite.
- Juwan Caesar's best offer was West Virginia.
- Calhoun had a decent offer list including Cincy, Pitt, WVU, Syracuse, and Louisville. Not elite.
- Andre Sims had two offers, MSU and Tulane.
- Darien Harris' best offer was MSU.
- Matthew Ramondo had no offers, besides MSU, outside of Arizona and New Mexico.
- Colquhoun had three offers from MSU, CMU, and Rice.
Elite was his wording in this, and I have found no evidence of them landing elite national talent.
but....but.....but Hoke has the luxury of not having to defend his record with recruits.............. and he looks like Fred Flintstone.
Thanks for the in depth research Tom. I knew they hadn't got any "elite" national players but I didn't know just how pitiful their out of states recruits offer sheets actually were. Nice to see you hate on the Spartans on here and just call their bs.
In case you read this again though any news on when Dunn will be coming to Ann Arbor as well as the 3 Harrison kids?
Also, what was the potentially 2nd big piece of news that you referred to last week? Obviously, Ross was the big time recruit who was committing Monday but I haven't heard a lot about your other hint for around this weekends possible commit. This was before we knew Mario was a Michigan lean and MIGHT commit (I have really liked how you handled that situation), Richardson was in studio for Ross' commitment, and Dunn was visiting. So I was wondering if there may be another piece of news to be looking forward to or if you just knew about one of these pieces of information before we did.
Dunn is there today, the Harrison kids will be in tomorrow.
come to the good side. Michigan is such a better educational institution and the future for football looks very bright. The rich history speaks for itself. When you were asked what you were most concerned about regarding the osu commitment, you said "I don't want him to get fired...And I don't want a bowl ban," (re: Tre$$ell) Well, maybe you didn't understand at the time that the vestonfire will be fired or will resign because the NCAA is finally on it. There will be sanctions as well. Go Blue!
I just assumed the prisons changed to all-green jumpsuits so they didn't have to keep ordering new ones all the time.
DanTonio coached under Tressel so it's no surprise he has players bending rules and laws
The article is trying to brag. If Sparty were truly doing well with recruits, wouldn't kids be talking about them and listing them as their leader.
Oh wait, that is part of their plan. Sparty is being choosy and they have secret top recruits.
Is in an article touting MSU's new national reach, the 3 recruits they've gotten so far are from....Michigan, and Ohio.