Just read it for yourself... Thoughts? I got my own and I want to hear from the rest of the board.
EDIT: I'm ready for the negs on this, but I figured we should all hear about this.
Just read it for yourself... Thoughts? I got my own and I want to hear from the rest of the board.
EDIT: I'm ready for the negs on this, but I figured we should all hear about this.
I honestly don't care about this shit anymore. This issue is so over and thank god the longest and worst timed-bye week that I remember is coming to a close.
I agree that it is over, but due to the fact that Delany is getting into this. I see some rule changes coming soon, thats why I posted it.
I was going to say the same thing but you beat me to it. Griping about Sparty is like wading through piss.
At least if you've waded through piss, you've likely got an interesting/funny story to tell. I mean, at least people want you to tell that story.
because MSU punched one person and grabbed somebody's facemask about ten seconds after the play. Did Michigan do any of that? no
Behavior?? Michigan players played accordingly to the rules, yes Gholston got a suspension but he was soppose to be ejected after the punch. I would of suspended him two games bc of the halmet twist on Denard too
than to come and troll on here? 2 weeks after the game? Way to prove the difference between Michigan fans and Sparty fans, yet again.
GTFO. Mind showing me something as bad as the punch or the helmet twist that a Michigan player should have been suspended for? Didn't think so.
Also, if you are a Michigan fan because you went to both schools, you wouldn't have said "of course Michigan fans don't acknowledge the truth..." You would have said "of course we don't acknowledge the truth..." As I said, get the fuck out Spartan. We don't really care what you have to say.
Clearly you're a fan of both teams, you've been pretty unbiased your entire tenure here.
You realize there's a difference between a cheap shot and a blatant punch to the face/throat, right? Guys getting chippy after the whistle or under the pile is usually allowed, no matter the team. I haven't seen anything yet of an M player doing anything that would warrant such whining. If you find it, you're welcome to embed the video on this thread.
When you say "shots" were taken on both sides, do you mean rougher-than-average blocking near the play or punches to the face 20 yards away from it? If it's the latter, I do not believe there were shots taken on both sides. Unless you mean Gholston giving shots on the left and right side of the field.
And if you think that Michigan is so awesome and superior that they get preferential treatment from the league, then you probably should have considered that before you decided to be a State fan. /high road
I think he's talking about when Lewan gave that wicked chin shot to Gholston's fist. Or maybe he was talking about all the times Denard threw himself under defenders well after the whistle.
I think he was talking about when Denard jumped up and slammed himself into the ground after the whistle while rush had him wrapped up
You stating that you "attended both schools," is the most blatant lie I've ever read on MGoBlog.
and therefore no they didn't.
Sup little bro - and I say that with the utmost love. Posts like these prove why you and your school will always consider themselves little brother - regardless of your team's success, you are STILL trolling on a Michigan blog. After a bye week, nonetheless.
Look, I respect sibling rivalries as much as the next guy, but there's a time where you just give up. For starters, you beat us, congrats. On top of that, your team just beat Wisconsin.. but rather than enjoying that W, you choose to visit the most popular Michigan fansite known to man. There are various reasons as to why this happens, but as a whole, we'll call this "little brother syndrome."
At the end of the day, we own you, and you can take your three RR wins and this year. To say MSU > UM is like saying Oklahoma State > Oklahoma, or A&M and Tech > Texas - it is only true in your eyes, and noone else even acknowledges you. Enjoy your season, and I'm sure we'll enjoy ours. Now please get back to "Packaging", or whatever it is MSU specializes in. I ordered my size 12s about 10 days ago.
just to neg the op. The sparty response link you attached is total garbage. I don't know why I was stupid enough to believe the link was going to be credible or worthwhile in any way. The sparty author refers to 20+ unnamed sources throughtout the text. The sparty author must be the best connected journalist in the country. We are all dumber for clicking this thread and I wish I had 5 minutes back of my life for clicking the link that you've deemed credible.
Thoughts? Who cares about what some hack Sparty wrote about Jim Delaney suspending Gholston when everyone not associated with MSU knew it was not only the right call, but one you have to make. Good God I can't wait for Saturday when we can beat Purdue and just move on.
Do they know they just beat Wisconsin?
Fuck state and Fuck any more threads about those fucking fuckers!!!
I still have a hard time understanding why it was that B.J. Cunningham got away with one of the most blatant offensive pass interferences I've ever seen, which was probably determinative of the final play: B.J. Cunningham's push in the back of Marcus Cromartie, shoving him out of position (Cromartie was behind Abardaris who jumped but could not reach the descending ball) where Cromartie would have been in perfect position to catch or deflect the ball (Cromartie had been standing directly in front of Cunningham, who shoved him, and it was Cunningham who was hit by the ball, deflecting to Nichol.
It was pure, clear, egregious offensive pass interference, and Cunningham's been flagged for it before. But sadly this one was missed. It almost certainly determined the outcome of the play.
The open letter from Hondo to the rest of Spartan Nation is classic Sparty; first step is to blame Michigan. (I really wish that my three calls to Dalany's office, asking specifically for a multi-game suspension of Gholston and a suspension for Marcus Rush had had some effect. Sadly, they didn't. I really wanted to fuck up the Spartans, but it didn't work. I am as sorry about that as anybody.)
Second step is to claim that Michigan and Ohio State get better treatment. Naturally, that Sparty assertion is wrong too. See, e.g.; Mouton, J./Michigan (suspended after punching a Notre Dame player in retaliation after a late hit in the back, on the ground.
See also, Coleman, K./Ohio State (suspended for a helmet-to-helmet hit).
Hondo doesn't acknowledge the prior suspensions (including Zach Reckman's late hit which was a love-tap compared to Gholston's thuggery); a good lawyer would know that you need to assess the opponent's case-law and distinguish it or argue around it. Hondo makes no attempt.
Except to blame "Michigan" and "Ohio State" and "money" and presumably "all of the Trilateral Commission in their black helicopters and the Jewish bankers who control it all..."
Thank you, Hondo, you have given me my first good laugh in two weeks.
He got away with it because pass interference will never, ever be called in that situation on either team. And both teams know that and play accordingly. It's an accepted part of the hail mary. I haven't heard even Wisconsin fans complaining about offensive pass interference.
If Abardaris times his jump at all, the pass is incomplete regardless.
It is absolutely unmistakable in the video. B.J. Cunningham shoves Cromartie to the ground; the ball arrives precisely where Cromartie had been before Cunningham shoved him to his knees.
Here is Cunningham, in another play/another game, doing exactly the same thing, and very properly getting flagged for it:
It is almost the exact same kind of interference that Cunningham does to Marcus Cromartie on the last play versus Wisconsin. It should have been called. MSU is as lucky as they are dirty.
Don't really care what they have to say, and there's no way I'm reading that whole thing. Guy wrote a book.
Yup, generally the fact that you have to write a dissertation to defend your position on a fairly simple issue betrays the weakness of your argument.
Yeah I know people are going to be upset about this being posted, but I liked it because reading Gholston's response and he was like fuck you big ten punching people is perfectly acceptable.
Thank you, I posted it to show that A. sparty thought it was acceptable. B. I see rule changes coming with punches being thrown or violence caught in gameplay.
"Before the release, word spread throughout the B1G that MSU was preparing to fight back against Delany. What we learned on Tuesday evening at Spartan Nation was that other schools had employees rising to the occasion. MSU had 37 game video clip incidents involving Lewan, and during the game had pleaded with the officials to do something about the rough play. They knew LeMonnier’s reasoning for NOT kicking Gholston out, but there was more. Delany was going to use the punch-suspension rule as the basis for the suspension, but it was not something that had been enforced as an automatic in the past. According to a source who works within Ohio State football, someone from OSU contacted MSU football to mention specific plays with the same UM OT involvement that underscored his style of play. According to people who work in Indiana athletics, the same player had grabbed at the testicular region with what they thought was intent to injure one of their players, and that he had stomped on a chest of a Hoosier player after a play. Both incidents with accompanying video and neither equaled a suspension."
Go ahead, and ignore it. Your guys are saints, and MSU are thugs and worse. Read the whole article, or go ahead and stick your head in the sand.
Really, if you don't like Taylor Lewan, I suggest that you call Delany and tell him that you think he should be suspended. Call the office three times in fact. I know it won't work, because that's exactly what I did, trying to get Gholston suspended for two games and Rush for one game, and it didn't seem to have any effect at all.
So knock yourself out.
As for winning the hearts and minds of the rest of the country, at least on Gohlston, I think we've won. The video got replayed 1,064,392 times by my count. And most of those replays drew gasps.
I'd just like it if some of you guys would decide what your position is going to be. Was the Gohlston 1-game suspension warranted? Yes or no. If yes, I'm not quite certain what the bitch is. If no, then please explain exactly how Jonas Mouton would be suspended and Tom Gohlston would not be suspended, based on their two video sequences.
I gotta say this too; you can put a thought down in type a lot better than shit-for-brains "Hondo" can. That's thin praise for you, but only because "Hondo" has set the bar so low. Like, lying in the gutter low.
I read the article. Please show me any of the videos that MSU and the rest of the B10 have that warrent suspensions for any Michigan players. I'll wait.
I actually think I am going to come out with a story about how Michigan heard about all of the video tape that everyone had on them so they came up 45 separate incidents where MSU should have been fined and suspended and Delany did NOTHING about it. That's right, Michigan has 74 different incidents where an MSU player should have been suspended and we only got the 1 for Gholston. I think the B10 is trying to protect MSU. I mean, there wasn't a single penalty called against them in the Wisky game. Obvious the B10 is trying to help them get to a BCS bowl.
Honestly, do you disbelieve the crap OSU and the Sugar Bowl, too? I don't have video on that, either....
There's video; we know what Gholston did. What Gohlston did was exactly like what Mouton did, that got Mouton suspended. So I don't understand -- NOBODY understands -- the claim that Gohlston should have escaped suspension.
If you want to claim that there was some uncalled dirtiness on the part of Taylor Lewan, in the MSU game or in some of Michigan's other games, I'd like you to let me know when you are making a disc of all of those videos to send to Delany, beause I'd like to include the no-call Cunningham offensive pass interference, so I can save on FedEx charges. You won't get Lewan suspended, and I won't get the Wisconsin result overturned but what it is really all about is maintaining our mutual disrespect and hatred, isn't it?
Go Big Red!
Punch with NO suspension: http://www.youtube.com/v/88UETgZh8vo
So great; you've got video of Hawthorne giving a ND player a shot at the end of a play. You want a suspension because you're butt-hurt about about Gohlston? Go ahead, make Delany's day. Send him the video. See how that works for ya.
But if you are complaining about Gohlston's suspension, then you had better explain how Mouton and Reckman would have gotten suspended -- one game each -- and Gohlston would NOT get suspended for essentially committing two suspension-worthy fouls in the same game.
I think the Conference had trouble with Gohlston simply because they had never had a guy who had committed so many suspension-worthy acts in one game. The Conference could not possibly have been conflicted over suspending Gohlston for one game; they must have been conflicted over making it a two-game suspension.
Had I been Delany, faced with the situation in which Dantonio had not suspended Gohlston on his own, and Narduzzi had made a frankly provocative statement, and the video going across the world looked so awful, and with the national press (ESPN, the Wall Street Journal) piling on and making the Conference look bad; I would have suspended Gohlston for TWO games without hesitation.
Please don't come back here again wasting our time, unless you can make a serious argument about not suspending Gohlston, and a meaningful argument that Brandin Hawthourne (not flagged in his game for a harmless swing) SHOULD be suspended based on old video and Marcus Rush (flagged for his unquestionably late-hit personal foul) should NOT be suspended for his injury-causing behavior.
My point is simply that the Big Ten clearly does not see punching as an automatic suspension. How am I supposed to debate someone who harasses the conference offices? lol. And no outlet anywhere is talking about what Rush did. That is a lonely cause for one fan to take on. Have you called the NFL for any of the throwdowns that Suh has done to QBs? Until you call for that, you need to relax. You are pioneering a lonely thought.
And I don't fucking care if no other outlet is talking about suspending Rush. I am. And for very good reason. What Rush did in CFB would have drawn a fine in the NFL. I base that on nothing more and nothing less than other similar NFL-fine videos.
I'm not a fan of NFL football, and I watched more of Suh at Nebraska than in the NFL, so I don't have much comment on him, other than that he has obviously been fined, and there is a simmering controversy that he has not been punished equally as with other rumored-outlaw defensive linemen and linebackers. While the NFL can fine players under its collective bargaining agreement, the Big Ten cannot and does not fine players. All that it can do in terms of personal fouls likely to cause injury is to suspend players and to let that be the message.
Your argument, should you decide to accept it, is that Gohlston did not warrant a suspension. And based on the cases of Mouton (he retaliated to a hit in the back) and Reckman (he piled on a player in a way that was objectively far less offending than Gohlston's thuggery on Denard), that is an impossible argument to make.
Your non-response makes any real argument sort of frustrating. But the one thing I like about the controversy continuing is the general notion that it keeps the meta-story of MSU thuggery alive. You may have won the game, and there's nothing to be done about that now. But if there can be some net detriment to MSU in terms of image, credibility, etc., then that's a good thing.
But the discussion, the imagery, everything HAS died down, dont you see? The only real discussion was whether or not he would be suspended. He was, msu played without him, and now no one is discussing it anymore. The media has completely moved on so there is no (more) damage being done to their image. Its an afterthought. Aside from this thread, even the mgoboard community has moved on as they look ahead to Purdue this weekend and msu to Nebraska. It's over.
..per this thread.
So blame the Sparty blogosphere.
And I was mildly interested in the Spartan mindset. I believe in "knowing the enemy." The argument, such as it was, was vacuous. Meritless, in terms of any defense of Gohlston or a challenge to his supension. I wasn't convinced of anything mind-changingly new. In the end, it was merely a tutorial on Spartan psychopathology. That is, Spartan fanbase psychopathology. We still don't know about Will Gholston's particular sociopathology.
Not exactly an apples to apples comparison:
1) Foul occurred while being blocked, right at the whistle, rather than away from the play, after Lewan has disengaged from Gholston.
2) It was an open-handed shove, rather than a punch.
3) It should have been flagged as illegal hands to the face, which happens often during blocking.
4) Tom Gholston's punch was to Lewan's throat, which is one of the least protected areas on a FB player's body.
5) Gholston had already engaged in multiple attempts to injure Michigan players at the time of the punch.
Rather than be happy that TG only got one game and Rush got none, Sparty is complaining about a decision that no non-Sparty disputes. Ever heard the phrase "act like you have been there before"? No? Neither has the rest of Spartyland. That is why the little brother tag still follows them.
Personally, I think the suspended Gholston for the wrong foul. They should have suspended him for the rest of the season for intentionally twisting Denard Robinson's head by the facemask after making a late hit. That was nothing more than a blatant attempt to injure Denard. And there is no way Spartan Nation is going to come up with 27 clips of Denard twisting someone else s face mask or otherwise acting in an unsportsmanlike manner. In fact after Gholston had tackled Denard several plays later, Denard patted him on the helmet (like he often does after someone has tackled him).
Bottom line: the only reason you all are whining, is because you feel Gholston was provoked by Lewan. Meanwhile there is nary a mention of the nasty unprovoked attempt to take Denard out of the game or worse.
Your obfuscation may work with Spartan Nation, and the B1G front office, but it doesn't with us (or ESPN, or many other sports fans around the nation).
The saddest part of this whole episode is this: MSU could have played clean, like they did against Wisconsin, and you would may have won bigger than you did giving up all those penalty yards. For some reason though, your team takes Coach Dantonio's vitriol against Michigan as a signal to act like thugs, particularly in East Lansing.
Gholston: Imma wreck yo ass Tyler
Lewan: It's Taylor (pushes Gholston to ground), suck it Tom
Gholston in a fit of rage: My name is William!!!! (Punches Lewan)
I've moved on,why can't they?
But why is it that Sparty only concentrates on that punch thrown? Isn't it more important when taken into context with the head twist of Denard and the drop-kick-elbow-smash against Lewan? Especailly the drop-kick-elbow-smash against Lewan... that got no press, whatsover but I consider that more damning than the punch. That's two very dirty plays and a personal foul punch (I don't consider that dirty, but certainly within the rules of if caught, should be thrown out)
Because they think they can justify the punch, but they know the facemasking looks bad and have no defense for it.
Either way the flaming inferiority/"we feel disrespected" complex seems to be writ large by the book/article I just read.
The best part is by far the end when the blogger takes the "No comment" to mean "OMG I fear talking to a random blogger off the internet". I'm pretty sure everyone who calls up B1G HQ randomly gets a no comment brush off.
Also there is no excuse for Gholston's punch. In football one of the first things we were taught was if we felt the need to defend ourselves was never make a closed fist. Closed fist = suspension. Period. Guy messes around with your facemask, jerks your head, anything, you strike between the neck and ground with open palms. No punches, no take downs and wrestling moves, no kicking. Clearly the first thing we were taught was not to fight back, however as our coach said there will be that one time were you need to defend yourself or a fellow player from harm. In that case, open handed strike. Your teammates will be along to help you, as will the refs. Just get some separation with a push back. Then back away. Closed fist = suspension.
The whole six pages of justifying Gholston's actions are moot. The standard in football is open hand is not a huge deal (aside from the possible unsportsmanlike). A closed fist is a vacation, no appeal.
Totally agree--no justification for punching someone in a game.
So you agree, that it is pointless to protest Gohlston's one-game suspension (basically the 'minimum sentence' under the circumstances)?
And consequently, that it was pointless for "Hondo" to waste all of that bandwidth on arguing that 'Michigan influence' got Gohlston suspended, and that there is a double standard, and blah blah blah?
And that all of this just boils down to Sparty Nation, butt-hurt over all of their program's bad publicity, wanting some other bad boys to, like, get suspended too?
What a stupid freaking embarassment of an argument. GTFO.
The funny part is if someone like Purdue did this helmet twisting thug punching action vs. say a team like Minesota Purdue's player would get the same suspension, they aren't looking out for Michigan.
So basically the classic "they started it" argument. I think someone needs to take a timeout and think about what they did..
too long...who cares...
That is not what she said.
Don't you think the MSU guys should be saying "Bullshit suspension, but we still beat Wisconsin without him so let's fucking celebrate." ???
This is like fouling a guy on his last second shot, and then continue bitching even after he missed the free throws. He got suspended, you won anyway, stop bitching about it.
And they largely are. They are also hoping he is angry and eager to get back against UNL.
derps and will always be derpy. Sometimes they need to write it down to prove just how derpy that derp hole of derp fans is.
This is funny to me for two reasons:
1) The idea that we're a "protected team" would make a lot more sense if the Big Ten didn't suspend one of our players for throwing a punch TWO YEARS AGO.
2) It turns out MSU had been whining about Lewan for the entire game. Guess they're not so tough.
IMO, this is really easy - you can't throw a punch on a football field, especially after the whistle blows. The idea that this was "part of the play" and that Ghoulston "didn't intend to injure Lewan because he had a facemask on" is ridiculous on its face. As is the idea that this is some grand conpiracy by the Big Ten to return Michigan to relevancy (Ghoulston's suspension did nothing for us).
Dude lost control during a heated game and got punished. Happens all the time. Fucking deal with it, MSU.
If UM is a protected team and Delaney wants to bring UM back to relevancy, why didn't Delaney call the official right away and have the official throw Gholston out of the game on the spot. That would have helped UM win the game and stay undefeated. I am sure there was a BW3 near B1G ten offices.
a lot of blah blah blah in that article. get over it . move forward.
.....when anything else interesting happens in this apparently ongoing drama. Purdue on Saturday, folks. Be there.
You could in theory arrange it so the hotel the visting team was staying at had no power and thus no hot water, food, etc, right? I mean since we're all bored here?
Or at least teach me how to rewire my meter so my gas bill is my landlord's problem? I'd love a winter of sitting around in my shorts while the heat is set at 83.
Truth be told, the circuits where visiting teams generally stay at are problematic ones, mainly due to equipment age (the innerds of a 45 year-old underground transformer are a high voltage Gordian knot).
As for the gas meter, I know little of MichCon's ways. I am not allowed to comment on electric meters for various reasons. LOL.
Cool, one more random offtopic.
As I kayaker I've heard all kinds of rumors about he various dams around Ann Arbor producing power. Some people claim the hydroequipment is removed. Others claim they're actively producing power. I've also heard weird theories about how they're only online when the price of a KW hour makes it worthwhile and off the rest of the time. Do you know if dams with the potential to produce hydro are active or not?
Barton Dam definitely does and has for many years. We actually used to own it.
A little closer to where I actually live, French Landing (on the Huron River near Haggerty Road) was actually an Edison substation in dam form before 1968 when development in the Belleville-Romulus area supported a conventional 40kV station.
There has been talk for some time about installing hydroelectric generation at Argo and Geddes dams. Argo might come sooner rather than later - there is a big remediation project near the old MichCon Broadway site (the service center was demolished) which will have both banks of the Huron cleaned up by summer of next year. We're actually looking to get rid of that substation - those who live on the north side will thank us for that one.
Anyhow, Barton is the only one I know of in Washtenaw County that actively produces electricity, and we buy it every month, same as we do for people who have solar generation.
Awesome. Thanks for the info. I'll look forward to seeing another ton of "OMG High Voltage" signs around Argo in the future then. Even though I fear amps a lot more, only takes 100 mA to crispy fry a human.
The biggest hassle out there was moving a pole on the headrace about ten feet so they could get a cement truck from the livery at the end of Longshore to the south end by the substation. I spent several hours standing in the mud out there dealing with that.
this post by rogerdorn, is much more interesting and relavant than the info contained in the OP's link....
They are just crying. I don't know why, when they beat Wisconsin. Lewan has a brain, Gholston doesn't. That's it.
Can't wait till we crush them next year. They lose too much to be good next season.
You make it sound like you beat our 97-2000 teams. Last time I checked you beat 3 of the worst teams in M history. WOW... Also the only GAME that means anything is the one in November. It must suck being the little brother of a prince because you can never be a king... I would be upset too if I were a MSU fan
because it hasn't been beaten to death here.
Second gunman on the Grassy Knoll! 37 documented facemasks! Rabble rabble!
Miss Hollis, let's be serious. Taylor just wants to dance.
About two weeks ago I went to the grocery store. I bought grociers from the grocery store. I do this about every 2 weeks on a regular basis, but since it happened two weeks ago I just HAD to tell you guys about. I felt this was just as relevant as the OP. Discuss.
He's a blind Spartan homer. And we're Michigan homers. This issue is nearly two weeks dead now. Who. Fucking. Cares.
In the little part I did read, I found it quite funny that he spelled several persons' names differently at least twice. Oh, and that MSU had 37 instances of Lewan grabbing face masks because of HD video from a coach's cam, and being pissed that the refs didn't call it. All I can do is laugh, because, seriously? Thirty-seven instances? Hahahahahahaha. And I imagine that Sparty was being a bunch of perfect little angels. Oh wait...
Obviously I am not going to read a long post about whining, BUT...
1. You said it is important for us to hear about this, and
2. You say you see a rule change coming.
What do you mean? As far as I can glean, this is the MSU AD complainging about the B10 procedure. How is that important for us to know or indicative of a rule change?
I'll hang up and listen.
Anyone who sides with Sparty on anything is an idiot.
What a pathetically overwritten piece that is based on him and his family's disdain of Jim Delany.
What you mean is that Delany would not win a "popularity context" in his household.
This dude needs a proofreader. If I'm an arrogant Michigan alum for pointing out the fact Denard is spelled with a single n, so be it.
I'll keep it short:
1. Throwing a punch should always warrant a one game suspension. There is no gray area, it's uncalled for. Period.
2. I love the lengths Spartans go to defend him, yet no one mentions the Denard twist which was far more shocking and 100% unprovoked.
Bottom line: Spartan fans be thankful he only got 1 game, and that he didn't hurt anyone. Time to move on.
You speld it wrong it's Dennard.
Seriously, that was longer than essays I've seen turned in for school before. I mean c'mon, what does it matter? YOU JUST BEAT THE 5th RANKED TEAM IN THE COUNTRY! Just let shit go already, Tom will be back for this weekend, and by the end of October the whole country will have forgotten about it
If they're that angry with the big ten leadership they should send a message and apply for membership in the Big East
Thanks for making me angar!
Honestly, this guy is a turd. Next.
In the comments I actually did see someone try to defend the helmet twist. He said it "wasn't as bad as it looked and that if "Dennard" (who?) wore a proper helmet, it wouldn't have looked so bad.
What a bunch of frickin babies.
You are not a smart person.
Lulz. The vast majority of posters here acknowledge the gridiron ass-kicking MSU handed us, so maybe you call dial back the outrage a tad. Yeah, MSU won via better play. Agreed.
Then there was the matter of unsportsmanlike behavior. UM fans didn't make it up as an excuse for the loss. But it happened, and it raised their ire just like it raises yours when crap happens to your players. In this case, the B1G agreed it happened. Even some of the MSU coaching staff admits it--heck, they are proud of it. So it's super cute to make like we are inventing it as a crybaby excuse, but that's even more far-fetched than the thing I just read in the OP.
the corner back and wide receiver battles, I would assume their referring to the heated rivalry games of osu and um's past, and expect the same type of lead way as The Game. I guess they forget that they're just Michigan St aka Little Brother and no matter how many little giants and rocket plays they use, they will never be equal.
This was forwarded to me by a Sparty in my family. I told him the the punch was inconsequential compared to the neck twist. His response was that plays like that (the twist) occur all the time and it was being overblown. Are we overreacting or are they truly d-bags like their coaches.
Pryor gives us insight: "Everybody murders, steals from me, steals from you..."
from what I can guage. Not super-well written. If the author can account for why one of our guys got suspended only a year ago and for Gholston's head-twist of Denard then let's have a conversation. Oh, and rules; yeah, splain us why you make rules if you don't mean to follow them. (Don't want that ref he quotes adjudicating my games, thanks!)
MSU is never gonna be Michigan. We're the 15th best u in the world and they're dead last, B1G. They go out of their way to find a chip to put on their shoulders. I don't see how that ever goes away.
Narduzzi's comments were asinine and--to this reader--admonishment is a nice stiff term of reproval. Next time they get out their thesaurus, hopefully they'll hit on something more apropos.
I do think they are right to distance themselves from the New Thug U image that--for a minute there--they seemed intent on embracing. It wasn't going to be a winner for them down the line.
Seriously who cares about all of this. PLEASE STOP acting in the very same manner that makes them our little brother. I swear we're developing shadows of an inferiority complex.
For the record, they aren't last in the B1G academically, I think they're 9th or something...
Seriously guys I thought we were done with this...
3 days until Purdue. 9 until basketball. That's what's important.
Erase this thread.
if you aren't interested? This is one of the eternal mysteries of life, people who come on message boards to be 35th in line to say they aren't interested in something.
It isn't that he isn't interested. It's that he wants everyone to stop focusing on this, and I agree. We aren't little brother, let's stop acting like it.
Yeah, I'm sure this was "a week from hell" for them...
I give the guy credit, for a work of compete and utter fiction, he did a good job making it sound like something that could have actually happened.
On to Purdue!
I fucking hate Michigan State, it's reached equal footing to OSU...and that's what they want which makes me hate them even more.
Sorry, just had to vent. That is all.
I hate Michigan State. With all my heart and soul I hope they never win another game as long as Dantonio is coach there. In conference, out of conference, I don't care...I hope they lose everything.
But I still don't understand why all the focus is on him punching Lewan. That stuff happens all the time, especially in rivalry games.
The reason I hate Gholston is because he piled onto our quarterback while he didn't have the use of his arms or legs and tried to break his neck. That, IMO, warrants at least what he ended up getting, and if he had actually seriously injured Denard, should have landed him a criminal charge. If I intentionally twisted the head of anybody in real life, even if he weren't defenseless, I would get in a bunch of trouble.
Got to love Sparty though. Sticking up for an indefensible act by one of their players and blaming the repercussion for it on Michigan being the "protected" team, even though they have a streak going against us and managed to win the next week anyway. Maybe some day they'll realize they make it way too easy for us to make fun of them.
Didn't you hear? The play on Denard was totally justified, Denard had been calling Gholston a racial epithet after plays, so it was all good
From a very good friend of mine not from UofM but in the Big Ten Offices in Chicago, but will rename nameless because he fears trolls from MSU. Says that Jim (Dellany) is pissed, this friend of mine from another Athloetic Department confirmed he (Jim Dellany) is pissed because the other friend of mine from another athletic department knows Hondo S. Carpenter Sr and told me that he (Hondo S. Carpenter Sr ) made it all up. I did not contact Hondo S. Carpenter Sr because it is 100% accurate and I didn’t want him to be reprimanded for something he didn’t source.
I was wondering what this was about, but stopped reading after "Dennard" was writeen. Really?
4900 words of garbage. When the first three sentences include two major caveats ("In the interests of fairness..." and "as much research as possible" [that really tells us nothing]), you know what follows is probably going to be crap. And indeed it was. 37 examples? Really? GMAFB.
Typical Sparty droll.
Neg'd for expecting to get neg'd for posting something, but posting it anyway.
The article only embarrasses his school and his own intelligence. Unless you're a Spartan fan, in which case you've got plenty else to be ashamed of to pay this guy any attention, it's not worth your time.
These are some of the 37 plays being talked about
Craig Roh grabs Edwin Bakers facemask and pulls it up while Baker is on the ground:
Taylor Lewan shoving Gholstons head in the ground by his facemask
Roundtree pulling Johnny Adams to the ground by his facemask