SIAP: Lunardi Paints Bleak Tournament Picture for UM
Thinks we need to beat Iowa AND win 2 games in the B1G tournament. In other words, it's unlikely we're getting in...
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2016/03/joe_lunardi_michigan_…
In other news, Santa isn't real...
I fear the picture is bleak if we do get in or we don't. Don't see us exactly uncorking a seven game winning streak right about now do you?
True, but missing the tournament two years in a row is bad. Getting in and losing in the first round would be better than nothing, IMO...
Also, missing it twice in a row puts Beilein on the hot seat with a team that won't be much better next year. If they make it this year, all that talk dies down.
pretty lousy basketball team- certainly not competeing for anything.
in or out of tournament- nothing to really be excited about. i dont really like to watch them struggle.
I'm with you. I don't think the future is very bright for this team. But the tournament is a tangible piece of evidence that shows your program is among the top 40 in the country. This is important because Michigan went 10 seasons without making it. If Michigan makes it this season, they would have made it in 6 out of 9 seasons. That's passable even though I personally think Michigan should be making it 8 out of 9 seasons. On the other hand, 5 out of 9 seasons looks and sounds much worse and that's what Beilein will face if he misses it this season.
we'll have at least one highly winnable game, maybe two if we're a first four team. So if you win one or two coin flips, you're in the round of 32 with a chance to pull off an upset to play the second weekend. We aren't winning the championship but the chance to be in the field, gain the experience of being in the bracket for that week and playing in an empty neutral gym, but with the nation watching on TV is a much needed experience for a team that didn't get to do it last year.
This is only meaningful if the committee has started leaking the field to him. He's basically clueless otherwise.
Well, that may be taking it a little far. He is hardly just some guy off the street giving his opinion. He could certainly be wrong, but I am guessing he follows the selection process a little closer than you or I and his insight carries a little more weight...
Missing the tournament for the 4th time in 9 years should not be acceptable at Michigan. I gave Beilein a pass last year but no excuse this year. Weakest bubble in recent memory and LeVert isn't even supposed to be here. This program has no consistency.
if he had left early, I think we would have gotten one of those 4/5* guys that was interested in us. Playing time is sort of an important consideration.
If that were the case our recruiting next year wouldn't be filled with 3 stars.
service you're looking at...I see an incoming class with 2 4* and 2 3*. Most importantly, the highest rank kid, Simpson, might actually be able to run Beilein's offense. It's not just that Spike and Caris are missing, it's that Walton, MAAR and Irvin, seem to have no command of the offense. Beilein finally admitted after the Wisconsin game that they aren't a good passing team without Caris and Spike. He said that's partially not seeing the play fast enough and partially not cutting as hard as required. Regardless of why, for all of the bitching here, that has been my biggest disappointment.
already signed by the time LeVert announced he was staying?
Brown and most other 4/5 stars would have gotten plenty of run here even with a healthy Caris. There is a near zero chance that affected any top player's decision to not come here.
is not the same thing as being the alpha dog.
you didn't watch michigan basketball before 1999. I understand that Michigan sucked for 10 years, but before that Michigan basketball was a good to great program. I really do not understand this notion that we should be ok with mediocrity because we were terrible for 9 years. Hell, the football team was mostly terrible from 2008 to 2014. Are you ok with going 7-5 every year because of that?
This is a chronic problem under JB that Brian and Ace talk about all the time - our RPI is always unfairly low mbecause JB does not factor this in to scheduling. May actulaly cost us a bid this year.
I wouldn't say its unfairly low - play crap teams and you'll have a low RPI. JB NEEDS to factor this into scheduling. We can beat up on a team in the high 100's as easily as one in the high 200's.
I only meant unfair in the sense that RPI is stupid and thus unfair - you get the same credit for playing #1 and #300 as #150 and #151. JB needs to avoid those 300ish teams.
STOP bringing up the worst 10 year period in the program's modern history as a comparison point. Everyone connected with the program should be setting the bar much higher than simply making the tournament 5 out of 8 years.
JB has two BIG reg season titles and two elite 8 appearances in his tenure; all in the past 5 years. UM had two BIG titles and three elite 8 appearances in the 30 years preceding him.
That is one way to look at it, and is a reasonable argument. I certainly appreciate what JB has done here.
However, another way is comparing B1G regular season championships by decade:
1960s: 3; 1970s: 2, 1980s: 2 1990s: vacated; 2000s: 0 (sanctions); 2010s: 2
We are basically on track for the past 50 years, excluding the obvious down years.
In any event, I think people are worried that the next few years don't seem to be trending toward another B1G title, a worry that I share.
My point was that JB isn't outperforming Michigan's historical performance in terms of B1G titles. umchi looked at 30 years, so I went back since the 60's.
Not sure if you were agreeing with me or making a different point.
word. thanks to you and others for dropping some knowledge. tired of "do you rememeber where the program used to be 10 years ago" crap. enough. apologists, losers (not a Trump fan, but fits here), and those who readily accept medocrity not needed.
@AceAnbender all of this "MICHIGAN DESERVES GREATNESS IN HOOPS" talk is pretty perplexing to me.
— Bauncey Chillups (@_ac616) March 1, 2016
@AceAnbender LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE. WE HAVE HARBAUGH. WE NEED TO ONLY ACCEPT THE BEST IN HOOPS.
— Bauncey Chillups (@_ac616) March 1, 2016
growing up in the worst era in michigan basketball is more important than the entirety of the history of michigan basketball? Ok. I'm sorry Ace wasn't old enough to remember the times when this program was great but it was, in fact, a good to great program. Maybe a coach shouldn't be expected to have the program at the level it was at from 1985 to 1995, but the Amaker years should not be the baseline of comparison - that is just ridiculous.
Virtually the entire 90s were paid for so throw that out the window.
First of all the entire first Fab Five season was not vacated, except for the final four games. You're actually only talking about a few years that were vacated.
Second, I am not going to say the 90's didn't count for michigan and then accept Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, and others' status as dominant programs right now. They are all doing the exact same shit as we did. The only difference is that their boosters weren't investigated by the FBI. I don't give a shit that Michigan was winning by doing the same crap every program that's currently winning is doing. It doesn't change the fact that we were kicking ass.
And we are just supposed to call ourselves national runner up when that happened, and then turn around and not claim credit for the games we won when we were cheating? I
Moreover every big time football program cheats but that hasn't stopped Michigan from being succesful for over 130 years. It's amazing the level of immunity Beilein operates with among some in this fan base. It's like he can't be criticized. Does anyone honestly think at 63 years old he's going to change how he recruits, or he plays his big men, or how he plays defense? This is what we got. No one can argue the program is headed in the right direction right now. Attendance is at a five year low, we're about to miss the tournament for the 2nd year in a row, and the recruiting class isn't even ranked ahead of Penn State's. Meanwhile our chief rival is rolling and laughing all the way to the bank. Compare how Harbaugh operates to how Beilein operates and it's night and day.
But it's ok because we sucked during the Ellerbe/Amaker years. SMH.
No good coach will come here if we fire a coach 3 years after making a national championship game.
You fantasize and think the grass is greener, but it would be another 10 years in the dumpster because we would get turned down by guys with secure jobs and wind up with some Brady Hoke-equivalent.
Says you.
Convincing retort.
that is the stupidest fucking thing you've ever said... and you've said some stupid shit...
that is all.
good night benn/jay-z/who knows who else...
jdon
Hmmmm. Well given that games from 6 of 10 seasons in the 90s were vacated.....
to put beilein in the best possible light. Stack, Orr, Frieder and Fisher all had better careers looking at the total picture.
He had junior manny harris and senior deshawn sims on that team, along with most of the previous year's team minus 2 former walkons. They were ranked pre-season, IIRC. They went 15-17 because they underperformed. I would say that is a negative strike against the coaching staff, but I guess I'm just whining like an entitled child if I do that.
I agree that he should get a pass for year 1, but that's it. There are other stats that matter besides conference titles and NCAA-recognized final four apperances, and if you look at the total picture, he has been ok, but not great, and behind those 4 guys.
and it was much harder to make back then. If it was as easy as it is to make now, he would have made it 3 additional times: 70-71, 71-72, and 77-78. So he would have made it 7 out of 12 times. And Orr also had to rebuild - Staack's last year was worse than Amaker's last year.
The easiest basis of comparison is the conference records. Look how past coaches' conference records compare to beilein - much better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Michigan_Wolverines_men%27s_baske…
Agreed. Some of us grew up before that crap basketball when we had quite a run in the late 80s and early 90s. Let's not settle for mediocrity in this sport just as we did not in football.