SIAP: Hoke thinks his team is overrated

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October 3rd, 2011 at 4:22 PM
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SIAP: Hoke thinks his team is overrated

Warning: Freep article. Mostly just quotes though, so the editorializing is minimized.

http://www.freep.com/article/20111003/SPORTS06/111003050/Brady-Hoke-thin...

U-M coach Brady Hoke said today he ranked the Wolverines for the first time this year -- “somewhere in the Top 25 teams.”

He then was asked whether he thinks U-M is overrated entering Saturday’s game at Northwestern. “Yes,” he said.

Where should it be ranked?

“I don’t know, but we’re going to find out,” he said. “I told our team that, too, so I’m not telling you anything I didn’t tell them yesterday. We’re not playing the football we need to play. We’re not playing well enough. We’re not finishing things well enough. There’s a lot of fundamental things.”

Ryan Van Bergen was also quoted as agreeing, as he (and the team) think that rankings only provide motivation for the other team to beat you.

Brilliant, I think, that coming off of a 58-0 win, he's insisting that we're not playing well enough. Love it.

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October 3rd, 2011 at 4:27 PM | (Score:5 Normal)
MGoBlake
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Humble pie om nom nom....plz have some Dantonio

Formerly known as PahokeePahokee

October 3rd, 2011 at 11:20 PM | It's not being humble (Score:-1 Redundant)
October 3rd, 2011 at 4:28 PM | New course available at (Score:4 Normal)
Michael Scarn
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New course available at Michigan next year:

"Getting It" 101: An Introduction on Saying the Right Things as Michigan's Head Coach
Prof: Brady Hoke

October 3rd, 2011 at 4:30 PM | I think he was a part of the (Score:1)
Volverine
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I think he was a part of the '97 national championship team (and several other good ones) and knows what it takes to win championships and hasn't seen it consistently from this year's team yet. Keep in mind, he knows it's harder now to win it all with the Big Ten championship game and BCS championship game pairing 1 against 2. I'm not sure anyone really thinks we're the 11th or 12th best team in the country, but it's hard to argue with 5-0. I honestly don't think Hoke would call us the best team in the Big Ten until we actually win a Big Ten championship. He's no Urban Cryer.

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October 3rd, 2011 at 4:36 PM | Yes.  If you want to be (Score:4 Normal)
CRex
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Yes.  If you want to be brutally honest, we're likely playing for the honor of being Wisconsin's chew toy in the conference title game.  So by that standard we're not good enough. 

On the other hand 5-0 and looking better every week, so party on.

October 3rd, 2011 at 4:39 PM | maybe we haven't proved enough yet... (Score:1)
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But what if we beat NW, MSU, Iowa, and Illinois convincingly.  I bet it would change a lot of people's minds.

October 3rd, 2011 at 4:54 PM | The issue I see is dealing (Score:2)
CRex
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The issue I see is dealing with Wisconsin's running attack.  You have to be able to rotate in fresh linemen on the longer drives.  We don't have a lot of DT/SDE depth and have a very limited rotation there.  Whereas Wisconsin can easily rotate backs and has spare linemen.  

We can beat Wisconsin, but I think we have to pull it out the same way we did against ND the last two years.  No way we shut that offense down.  

October 3rd, 2011 at 4:59 PM | I am just (Score:1)
sheepdog
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glad we whave 7 more games to build some depth, grow some nads and give Wiscy a game.  Hopefully we will get there.

October 3rd, 2011 at 4:33 PM | If we hold every team (Score:1)
sheepdog
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Under 21 points the rest of the way (excpt Nebraska maybe) - which is possible - I would not say we are undderated.  Going with our pretty solid 10.2 average, I would be elated if we did this.

Possible?  maybe.  we will see.

October 3rd, 2011 at 4:34 PM | RR would never have said (Score:-1 Flamebait)
October 3rd, 2011 at 4:47 PM | RR would have said we will be (Score:1)
althegreat23
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RR would have said we will be exponentially better.

"A Michigan Man will coach a Michigan Team"

October 3rd, 2011 at 8:30 PM | He DID say that. And he was right. (Score:3 Normal)
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Well, I suppose the games are yet to be played.  There's a long way to go.  Rodriguez, no longer Michigan's coach, made a prediction.  We'll see how it goes.  Here's what I see so far:

  • A whole lot of Rodriguez-looking offense, picking up where they left off last year, with big contributions from a lot of Rodriguez-mold guys:  Denard Robinson, Vincent Smith, Roy Roundtree, Jeremy Gallon, Drew Dileo;
  • A whole lot of personnel holes filled on defense: Troy Woolfolk where Troy Woolfolk is supposed to be; Rodriguez-recruits Blake Countess and Jake Ryan contributing early; more solid play from older and healthier DL-men Mike Martin, Ryan Van Bergen and Craig Roh.

So yeah; exponential improvement might turn out to be true.  It might turn out to be true with or without the coaching (probably very good coaching) from the new staff.  I don't wish to knock the new staff.  There's no reason to knock the new staff.  By every measure imaginable, they are doing great.

But once again, we see a story that uses "Rich Rodriguez" as a kind of lightning-rod.  Where he is almost certainly more right than are his critics.

 

 

October 3rd, 2011 at 9:28 PM | Yeah man (Score:1)
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Yeah man,  big contributions from Roundtree; he's tearing it up this year. If feel bad for him, he's barely seen the ball this year minus the obvious TD verse ND, and when he did get it thrown to him last game he dropped a pass that he should catch 100% of the time. I want to start seeing some bubble screens and slants/drags routes to him, which I think we will.

HAIL TO THE VICTORS VALIANT, HAIL TO THE CONQUERING HEROES!

October 3rd, 2011 at 9:39 PM | hehe (Score:4 Normal)
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you must have a big red bell in your room that rings when anyone on the internet mentions RR, rich and/or rodriguez, or any combination thereof. Ding-Ding-Ding

 
 

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October 3rd, 2011 at 10:08 PM | It's a Google Alert set for (Score:4 Normal)
OMG Shirtless
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It's a Google Alert set for any and all variations of "Rich Rod" set to send updates via cell phone, landline, instant messanger, pager, email, and carrier pigeon.

I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

October 3rd, 2011 at 4:52 PM | Nope (Score:5 Normal)
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RR would say Vince Lombardi himself couldn't fix this defense.

Christ in me arise and dispel all the darkness.

October 3rd, 2011 at 9:20 PM | I would agree with him (Score:3 Normal)
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It's really hard to coach when you're dead

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Brilliant!

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October 4th, 2011 at 1:09 PM | Mr Mattison Meet Mr RR, Mr RR (Score:1)
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Mr Mattison Meet Mr RR, Mr RR meet Mr Mattison.  

"Wasn't that Michigan drive just great.  That's like Patton riding into Berlin." ~Bob Ufer

October 3rd, 2011 at 4:57 PM | It's time to let it go.  He's (Score:5 Normal)
jmblue
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It's time to let it go.  He's not the coach.  You can whine forever about it, but he's not coming back. 

October 3rd, 2011 at 4:39 PM | well (Score:2 Normal)
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I don't think Coach Hoke is just flexing his post big win-over-hapeless-foe "CoachSpeak Muscle".

I think he actually believes it, and I think he's right.

sorry if that bursts anyones hype bubble.

Love & Hate are horns on the same goat.

October 3rd, 2011 at 4:41 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:2)
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He's absolutely right, and I think the best possible thing to do is admit it like he is. The Hoke Wizardry continues

 

 

"All I've had today is, like, six gummy bears and some scotch"

October 3rd, 2011 at 5:05 PM | Championship MInd Set (Score:1)
smotheringD
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Championship teams are never good enough...until they hold up the trophy.

I remember Brendan Shanahan saying after they had won 3 straight games in the Stanley Cup finals (with a demeanor like he was attending a funeral), "We haven't won anything yet.  Everyone knows the toughest game to win is one to close out a series..."

And I remember a player from the UM '97 team saying the same kind of thing.

And CRex is right...Wisky looks awfully good.  They have the offensive line we're going to have in 3-4 years.

"This is Michigan."

- Brady Hoke

October 3rd, 2011 at 5:07 PM | He's right... The toughest (Score:0 Overrated)
October 3rd, 2011 at 5:51 PM | people need to remember (Score:2 Normal)
Wolverine15
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that this is actually a VERY good Notre Dame team. In retrospect, i wish they beat USF because they would be 4-1, ranked and we would have a very quality win over them.

"This is an elite job, and will continue to be an elite job. This is Michigan ferodsakes!"

October 3rd, 2011 at 6:40 PM | Not me.  I'd rather ND go (Score:1)
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Not me.  I'd rather ND go 0-12 and people give us no credit for that win than have them winning and have it make our record "look" a little bit better.  At the end of the day, it's just one game, and I want them to suck always.

October 3rd, 2011 at 6:47 PM | "To hell with notre dame" Bo (Score:1)
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"To hell with notre dame" Bo

 

"When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing."

October 3rd, 2011 at 5:22 PM | Uh, Brady better watch out (Score:2)
Don
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That middle-schooler who called everybody who ranked Wisky #1 in the conference an asshole isn't going to be pleased with Hoke.


October 3rd, 2011 at 5:25 PM | Bo Schembechler, on winning... (Score:1)
Section 1
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“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft;..."

 

 

October 3rd, 2011 at 7:11 PM | You left out the best part of (Score:4 Normal)
MGoBender
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You left out the best part of that quote.

 

"When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing."

Stick by the team, through the thick and thin. I feel so many of our alums did not stick with the team over the past few years and I hope some lessons were learned.

CoE Class of 2007

October 3rd, 2011 at 8:09 PM | You're right, Tom. It's half of the equation. (Score:2 Normal)
Section 1
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I left it out on purpose so's not to go down, uh, that road.  I imagine I wasn't keeping much of anything from the cognoscenti.  You have the full quote right, and you are probably right to mention it.

Of all the lessons Brady Hoke learned from Bo -- and I suspect that there weren't many lessons that he didn't learn form Bo -- I suspect this is the one Brady Hoke will demonstrate the most.  He will be tough on winning teams, and he will stick by teams and players when they lose.

 

 

October 3rd, 2011 at 5:50 PM | I'm pretty sure everyone (Score:1)
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I'm pretty sure everyone thinks UM is overrated.  Listening to talk radio it came as a surprise to the hosts that Michigan was so high.  Just because you lay a goose egg on quite possibly the worst team...ever in college football doesn't mean we should jump 7 spots.  I think like 16th or 17th is a better spot. 

October 3rd, 2011 at 6:21 PM | Teams around us (Score:1)
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Jumping 7 spots had more to do with the teams around us that it did with us. Brian's ranking of us may be a bit more appropriate, but if you don't want us in the mid to low teens, you have to come up with people to put in front of us.

October 3rd, 2011 at 6:36 PM | Rittenberg touched on this (Score:0 Overrated)
October 3rd, 2011 at 9:46 PM | Agreed.. (Score:1)
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What Bo meant to say was ND can go fuck themselves.

 

Our guys beat Northwestern and Sparty and put up similar Defensive and I'm a big time believer.  I am now.  These coaches have this team playing with a whole lot of belief, confidence, and some truly disciplined football...

 

I was begging for Harbaugh but this Hoke guy can coach..  And Thank God for Greg Mattison.

 

Ranking... Well 5-0 is 5 -0.  Were all are just scared shitless of what went on the past two years.  

However.  Our defense truly sucked.  Its not bad right now. (Hoke speak)  That may well be the game changer this year.  I pray it is.

GO BLUE! 

 

 

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