Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
SIAP - Chait with a good DON'T PANIC article
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Welp, that's recursion for ya.
you can't do that; it's worse than typing "google" into google!
That's like crossing the steams!
Dr. Egon Spengler: There's something very important I forgot to tell you.
Dr. Peter Venkman: What?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Don't cross the streams.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Why?
Dr. Egon Spengler: It would be bad.
Dr. Peter Venkman: I'm fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing. What do you mean, "bad"?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
Dr Ray Stantz: Total protonic reversal.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Right. That's bad. Okay. All right. Important safety tip. Thanks, Egon.
to test a the voltmeter's battery?
The voltmeter tells you how many volts the battery is.
I'm sorry, but what does battery mean?
You don't have to take the battery out to measure the voltage. If you put wires on both sides of the battery and connect the voltmeter to the wires, you will get two circuits in parallel; one which powers the voltmeter, and one which is being measured. Circuits in parallel have the same voltage across them, so you would be able to measure the voltage.
Winston Zeddemore: Ray. If someone asks if you are a god, you say, "yes!
Is that like two guys with bad gas sitting next to each other, so their "steam crosses?" I'm out of touch with current college idioms.
Statistical Institute for Asia and the Pacific.
Sports Illustrated Associated Press
black that is!
Which is what too many n00bs do.
I believe it means Seen In Another Place.
If I'm wrong, FML.
Farts Make Laughter
lol (lots of love)
LOL (Lots of Lewan)
Robinson was looking at the biggest hole he had seen all season long. There was nothing between him and the end zone. But as he headed into the cavernous opening, his foot was inadvertently stepped on by a defensive lineman who otherwise was being controlled by Patrick Omameh. Robinson stumbled, fell backwards, recovered, scrambled to the outside, and picked up seven yards.
I remember that play distinctly, but in real time did not pick up just how unlucky we were. Hoping we'll get a video clip on the UFR this week.
Thanks for sharing.
and our defense missed tackles inadvertently.
See, I can play this game too!
Are you saying the MSU player caught Denard with his foot on purpose? Because if he did that's a penalty.
I have been trying to tell my friends this exact same thing all week, but no one wants to hear it. All they say is Robinson got shut down and Michigan got destroyed. That game very easily could have gone the other way.
Might be time for some new friends.
Everything your team did on offense is because you were better on that side of the ball Period. I give full credit to your defense for making the interceptions. On all three a bad defense allows the TD, a mediocre defense breaks up the pass, and a good defense intercepts it. However, if our offense (particularly Denard) were playing like it had in the previous 5 games, you would have been down 14 in the first quarter and it would have been neck-and-neck at the end. I still think you guys would have pulled out a close win, but the blowout was due to our offense.
There can never be too many.
most of the media are jumping off the Michigan and Denard bandwagon faster than you can say "Just like last year".
The MSU game was a deflection and a couple of bad passes away from a completely different outcome.
The Indiana game was a 1-yard fumble away from a blow out.
We are already written off as being frauds and people are predicting 5-7 or 6-6. They say MSU "figured out" Robinson and that is a template for all the rest of the teams - so bye-bye season and bowl. Ha Ha - swoon like last year.
What did they "figure out"? How to get Denard to throw into 3 man coverage and ignore the open guy? Did the 3 guys all yell "I'm OPEN!" to deceive him? Is this what Iowa is practicing right now?
I think there are going to be more teams DENARDED this season if their game plan is based upon 3 Denard picks per game.
But all a defense has to do is get 3 gifted interceptions and hope for some luck to slow down Denard. Can't all defenses do that on purpose? Oh, it's not that easy? Didn't think so. Denard will be Denard again and no one will be able to "stop him" without some luck.
I think Denard's accuracy is not too bad when he throws quickly and in rythm. (as with many QBs). He is spotty when he stops, buys time, and then does the "who's open...who's open...who's open... HE'S OPEN" pass.
For example, these two plays against ND did not hurt us, but terrified me for the future.
I couldn't love a player more than I love Denard. He is a passer that left HS 16 mos. ago. He has a lot of growth left. He'll be fine.
The link takes me to the whole game highlights.
I happen to agree with your assessment of Denard, btw.
For some reason the links work if you open them in a new tab or page, but the start time-target doesn't work when you open as a pop-up on this page. Anyway, plays at 4:03 and 10:50.
come simple "answers".
1. MSU shut down Denard - Easy to assume this unless you look at the film.
2. The defense was worn down by MSU - not really. It's just bad.
3. Michigan is a fraud - Jury's still out, by improbable.
End result is that we are not a good as we hoped and not as bad as we feared. Season's not over. Our team has learned and this too shall pass.
i did not get to watch most of the game and have enjoyed seeing/hearing most analysis. i dont mind negative talk about us because those people do not actually take the field for us every saturday! i think we were closer than the score indicated. however, we can all give our own opinion until we are BLUE in the face (which is fun and the reason why most of us post), however to shut people up our boys must perform on the field! when they do to the tune of more wins then we will feel better about anyone who talks about M Football! GO BLUE beat iowa!
So the team will be ok if I have my towel?
I used to view the towels as bad luck... but now I'm not sure. Might as well bring it. It's the pom pons that are bad luck.
Everything will be ok as long as you have your towel.
At least as far as the bug blatter beast trick, out of all our opponents, msu would have been most affected by a towel.
Never forget your towel.
MSU had a game plan, they challenged Denard to beat them throwing the ball, it didn't happen on that day. I do believe that Denard learns from it and will continue to grow.
MGoShoe has it correct. On Denard's second pick, once he pumped the ball he should have tucked and ran with it. I hope the UFR shows the snap shot where that entire side of the field is wide open and no one on Sparty had contiain on him. The only MSU player on that side of the field appeared to be Treadwell and he actually "jumped" on the pump. I believe the coaches will point this moments out to Denard as an opportunity to take advantage of his speed. Tuck and run. Need to learn that balance between when to sit in the pocket and when to run. With Denards special skill sets, yes there are times when running will be an excellent option....
When the game ended my thinking was "they dominated us." After rewatching the Every Snap videos, I revised my take.
Defense: surprisingly solid apart from 2 huge run gaffes and Christian being thrust into action too early by Rogers' injury. Apart from those three plays, very solid.
Offense: picked up good yardage consistently running, had guys open consistently passing. It was just poor execution throwing and catching it. Obviously, make 4 of Denard's throws accurate and maybe we score 31-42.
My opinion now: we were dominated in the sense that a team that makes the 6 biggest plays is going to dominate the game. MSU did that and it's no small thing. It's everything. You have to make big plays. But we were not dominated in the sense that we got beat on the line of scrimmage, or beat schematically.
And for all the "they don't get the rivalary" / "they don't care enough" talk, that's not what I saw. We dominated the first quarter. (No, seriously: http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=302820130) But it looked like we were trying too hard at times. And it looked like we played too emotional, which splattered us when things started to go south.
Did their QB overthrow a wide open receiver in another trip?
These were plays that left points on the field. Statistics are often misleading. Anyone who is a football fan knows that.
Saturday sucked for too many reasons. Boo-birds popped out of their hole to say "Here we go again, and to Sparty. Hopefully things click on Saturday.
Bravo, Mr. Chait.
“That was the story of the game - look at the half-dozen plays that had a disproportionate say in the outcome, and all of them happened to go MSU's way.”
What 34-17 game is this not the case for? If the opponent completely sucked, they wouldn’t score 17 points.
Michigan just got beat. I’m happy to believe that RR was out-coached offensively or the players just had an off day, but Chait is trying to argue that it “was an even matchup that happened to bounce MSU's way.” I disagree and think MSU out played, out coached… whatever, but it wasn’t even.
Also, he writes, “What about MSU grinding Michigan down in the second half? Didn't happen.” Isn’t 27 carries for 125 in the second half the definition of grinding?
He's a great writer and representative of Michigan who is just having a difficult time accepting a loss to an in state rival.
With any game you can always say "dramatically change this handful of plays and the outcome is totally different." For example, Indiana can say "take away the missed tackles/assignments on Michigan's 3 long TDs and we win by 10+." And we would just laugh.
But looking at the MSU game, I'm not sure MSU can also point to 6 plays where they botched the execution to give us a lift. They won precisely because they didn't make those kind of mistakes.
I would break it down like this:
With a breakdown of all of our offensive mistakes organized by time left in each respective quarter (there's a lot of 'em):
1) 14:09 in the first quarter, 3rd play of the game (1st drive), Omameh just barely missed sealing off his man, resulting in the DT stepping on DRs foot. Like Chait said, Robinson only had the field side safety to beat.
2) 12:42 in the first quarter, 7th play of the game (1st drive, 16 yard line), Robinson hands off on the zone read when he should have gone out to uncovered wide receiver Roundtree on the read option throw. Would have been at least a first down, if not a touchdown.
3) 11:40 in the first quarter, 9th play of the game (1st drive), Robinson has tons of time to throw, he has roundtree open, but throws way behind him. In the alternative, Robinson had 2 defenders and 4 offensive linemen to his left, he could have followed a convoy into the endzone. An older/more experienced Robinson makes this throw for 7 points.
4) 3:42 in the first quarter, Robinson overthrows a wide open Darryl Stonum in the endzone. We've now lost 11 offensive points.
5) 2:00 in the first quarter - this play looks like a designed run, but WOW is Vincent Smith wide open on the field side.
6) 14:05 in the 2nd quarter, Robinson had to keep this one on the read option, he had to know that the weakside linebacker was going to be blocked, and we missed out on a LOT of yards here. Honestly, this could have gone for an 87 yard touchdown.
7) 10:02 in the 2nd quarter - roundtree drops a perfect seam pass from DR.
8) 10:18 in the 3rd quarter at MSU's 12 - Robinson skips a pass into Odoms, he also had roundtree wide open on an out route. Now we're upto 18 points left on the field.
9) 10:15 in the 3rd quarter - Robinson just needs to throw this pass away and take the field goal. He would have needed to throw an absolute laser to get this to Hemingway - live and learn.
10) 4:20 in the 3rd quarter - Molk and Schilling flat out miss their blocks, allowing two DTs to get in the backfield on a designed QB run.
11) :41 in 3rd quarter - Roundtree drops an option out pass.
12) :36 in 3rd quarter - Hemingway dropped out pass.
13) :32 in 3rd quarter - it would have been a tough grab, but Stonum drops a hitch.
14) 12:29 in 4th quarter - two mistakes on one play, Robinson should have hit a WIDE OPEN Darryl Stonum on a play that would have gone for at least 30 yards. But he tries to go deep for Grady, and Grady has a step on his defender, but Robinson throws the ball over the wrong shoulder allowing Rucker to get back over and make the pick. If Robinson throws this ball to the middle of the field over Grady's right shoulder, its a touchdown. Now we've left 25 points on the field.
15) 6:26 in the 4th quarter, Robinson has Roundtree open WAY down field, but throws on the run and well short, this was more of a desperation play, but if he somehow had hit Roundtree in stride, this goes the distance. Too tough of a play to execute to say we should have gotten points for missing it though.
So there you have it 15 major offensive mistakes that MSU's defense had very little to do with that resulted in us leaving 25 points on the field (and that's not counting the 50 yard field goal that was blocked at the half - can't expect us to make that one at this point). With those points you're looking at us having 42. At that point, State could have scored another TD and we still would have won 42-41.
MSU found the blueprint for stopping Michigan all right - just pray that Denard plays a terrible game. Otherwise, I like our chances against Iowa.
1) It's the if my aunt were a man, he'd be my uncle arguement.
2) It doesn't give credit to MSU for playing/ coaching a good game.
Occam's razor I think applies, and the simplest explanation is that the 15 bad plays happened because of good play/ coaching on the part of MSU. 15 Michigan mistakes to 1 or 2 by MSU seems highly unlikely.
Did you even watch the game?
State's rushing yards came on 2 large plays. State didn't grind to a great extent (only a bit) as 100+ rushing yards came on 2 plays. Were we outcoached or did our 'D' just suck for those two plays?
Furthermore, receivers dropped quite a few passes (at least 3 come to mind, 1 for a TD).
Michigan moved the ball with ease on their first drive, the INT in the red zone killed us.
Any team whose QB throws 3 INTs to the opponent's 0 turnovers is going to have a rough time winning. You could attempt to make the argument that it was State's D that forced the INTs, but I'd argue that you're wrong.
Yes, State played the better game, and while I figured MSU would win, I didn't think the score would be that lopsided -- but for losing by such a large margin, Michigan was in the game into the 4th.
My breakdown was not intended to provide a "what if" scenario. It was intended to show that we did not execute offensively. We left 25 points on the field, that is a fact, not a what if scenario. Plays were there, kids didn't make the plays. Very few of those miscues had anything to do with MSU's defense other than they caught the ball when it was thrown directly at them, congrats to them for that. How does Robinson missing wide open receivers when no one is pressuring him have anything to do with how MSU is coached? It doesn't.
damn credit. How hard is it?
Anyone can say that we should have scored 25. Why is it just 25, why not add 2 point conversions. The fact is that we didn't score because we have young players that are mistake prone (otherwise they would be no advantage to having seniors).
If M scores the 1st TD, instead of an INT, who is to say that RR or Dantonio don't change the way they play the game?
Your arguement (like Chait's) is simply that if we didn't make any mistakes we would have won. That is like saying that if my dad were a millionaire, I would be one too.
If an MSU fan were to do the same thing, I highly doubt they would agree with the 25 points, by the way.
You're overreacting. That's a list of plays that were more or less unforced errors on our part - plays in which MSU's defense had little to do with us failing to execute. MSU fans could try to make a similar list, but it'd be a lot shorter - they had considerably fewer execution errors.
I would +1000 for you. nice breakdown of how our mistakes cost us. Sparty would counter that they "pressured" us into those mistake. Don't really give a damn what they think.
We just need to keep our collective cool and support this team becasue they still have a wonderful opportunity to have a big season and continue to push this program back to an elite level.
jump in the water. The long pass at the end of the half - wasn't that underthrown? That's Odoms out there, having gotten behind the corner and the safety. Throw it deep and no one's catching him. That would have been a huge blunder on them and changed everything before the half.
All of this helps put the game in perspective, but Sparty played well and won. M just has to take away the lessons and get after it this week
Yeah, but in general, an underthrown deep ball is better than an overthrown one. It was a 49-yard gain all the same. If we had been more on the ball and called timeout sooner after the previous play, we could have had time to run one more play before a FG attempt.
After watching the video, my first gut reaction was, "Why didn't the coaches see that open receiver and go back to that play later in the game, this time throwing it to Smith?"
by OSU in 2008. We were dominated by MSU in 2008. The 2010 Michigan - MSU game felt nothing at all like those games. I feel very confident this team is headed in the right direction this season.
28 rushes for 140 yards; 9 first downs gained
Carries of: 6, 5, 11, 4, 4, 4, 8, 11, 1, 8, -1, 2, -1, 15, 0, 8, 4, 3, 6, 1, 1, 6, 6, 3, 15, 4, 1, 5
10 carries for 3 yards or less; 18 carries for 4 yards or more
I'd say that's a pretty good example of grinding it out.
I have almost always liked Chait's analysis.
Because of the "way the ball bounces," I really wanted to see Michigan win vs State, but never saw it as a "must win." I also believe that we learned a lot from he lost, which we should see in the next five games.
Before you panic just read THE KNOWLEDGE'S last diary.
Michigan had gotten breaks like this earlier in the year - against Connecticut, Michigan players recovered both their fumbles plus UConn's fumble.
I was thinking about this. In a sense, this was the UConn game in reverse. That game was closer than the score indicated. This one was, too.
about timely coaching decisions, miscues, etc., it still boils down to one stat in regard to Michigan proceeding on to have a decent-to-good season based on the final judge, that beings wins and losses, of course.
It's all about the turnovers, and by that I don't mean the need to create them or not make any ourselves. I simply mean we cannot afford to do less than match the opposing team in this regard. . Every team will make mistakes during the game that, in retrospect, we can analyze to death and say "if such and such would have occurred at such and such a time, we'd have put up this(pick your number) more points."
Our game plans, and it'll be that way until the defense is merely good- It doesn't have to be great-will be predicated on that very premise and offensive execution. Our opponent's score will dictate just how good our defense has to be on any given Saturday, and our offense will have to be one point better.
It's not necessary, imo, to belabor the what ifs. Those are always bonuses. It's called flawless execution and it includes everyone involved, from the play-calling to execution on any given play.
Rich Rod decided, and it's been hard on many, to focus his primary recruiting on offense his first two years. This was vital and necessary. Last season we saw the focus shift to defense, and due to the incredible fact that there were only 21 defensive players on the roster when he took over, combined with incredibly low numbers overall on the roster, we were handcuffed on which players we could put on that side of the ball, i.e., Teric Jones and later Cam to name but a few.
Our offense, as it stands now without a Dee Hart ,threat, is still very dangerous, and when hitting on all cylinders, unstoppable. It'll only get better. Until our defense reaches the above level stated as being necessary, our contests versus well-balanced teams, both offensively and defensively, will ultimately be decided not by whether or not we complete each pass, but whether or not we give the ball away without matching it by taking one away from them.
There is really no better example of that than the series in which DRob makes four very catchable throws, and the final one, on fourth down being the most difficult one to catch being successful. Based on that, we'd only need to be successful on 25% of our plays, and we all know that's not true. However, when everything is working it doesn't take the great fourth down catch by Grady to keep the chains moving. Such was not the case Saturday is an understatement to be sure.
In spite of all the "could haves, would haves" that have been posted in this thread, I say simply, give me those three picks backs and if so fortunate to recover dropped ball by Cousins, that is all that would have been needed.
It's so annoying losing to MSU.
I am having a very hard time dealing with it. 3 years in a row is nearly unbearable.
GreaT article.. I just remember sittin in that endzone on the first drive watching him wondering why he didn't just turn and run to that opposite corner of the endzone.. Sometimes i wonder if denard even knows how fast he really is. No one would of been able to catch up to him before he got the first down let alone the TD
And any similar retrospective, is that they underscore the old axiom, "The three most useless words in the English language are, could've, should've and would've."
It really doesn't matter how we got the 'L', we got it nonetheless.
Chait's point isn't simply that we could've won the game. His point is that, going forward, people shouldn't take the result to mean that we will be shut down against any competent defense - because a lot of our failures were of our own making.