Who came up with this list? A bunch of donkeys?
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Who came up with this list? A bunch of donkeys?
I think donkeys probably could've made a better list. My guess is baboons.
are smarter than donkeys.
What does she know.
True, but I've never witnessed a donkey flinging it's own shit around. I can't say the same for Baboons.
I can only imagine what Taylor Lewan thinks of this list
I know the topic's been beaten to death, but I'm worried about BWC and Jibreel Black taking on Alabama's massive, experience O-line. Three members of that group make SI's first or second teams.
My hope is that our good-to-great secondary (did I really just type that?) will be able to shut down their inexperienced WRs and a vanilla passing game. This will hopefully allow GMatt to give the guys up front some extra help in trying to contain the running game.
I don't really see the potential for greatness in this secondary. Countess has the highest ceiling. The other guys seem like borderline NFL Draft picks, and even Countess hasn't done anything particularly noteworthy yet.
While I agree that 3/4 of our secondary probably won't get serious NFL looks, we fielded a unit that was 36th in pass efficiency* rating last year under a new system. I think the fact that we don't lose anyone (ignoring Woolfolk) from that unit and the fact that they will be in the 2nd year of the system will probably allow us to break the top 25 this year in that category. Now, it really just depends on what you consider a 'great' college secondary. While we don't have any super studs or pure shutdown corners right now, I would argue that anyone in the top 20-ish in pass efficiency D should be considered in the 'great' range. I think that's attainable.
*I also realize that there are more factors that go into defensive pass efficiency, including schedule, rush defense, etc, but I think it is a good indicator of the approximate effectiveness of your pass D.
players individually probably in our secondary but they can be great as a unit and can also make great plays, which is what they'll need to do.
made from 2 years ago to last year...wow. If he can marginally improve, Countess and he can be a very solid CB duo.
I agree. Shockingly enough, our secondary probably has the edge in that matchup. I think Kovacs, Gordon, and Demens will need to have big games for our D to hold against Bama though. They need to tackle Lacy before he gets too far up field and force a turnover or two.
My main worry is what happens if we fall behind. Saban will turn to the run game and grind out long drives in the second half if they have the lead. If we can jump out in front in the first half, we may be able to pull this one out.
Always prefer to fly under the radar before the season. But as for Bama, we cannot expect our line to neutralize their O line. Our only hope really is for (a) a strong effort by our backers to minimize the gains past the LoS, (b) moderate success floating CBs on islands so we can crowd the box, and (c) at least a +2 turn over margin.
I will be shocked if we win, and call it the greatest upset by Michigan in decades, but end of day, as long as we don't get blown out, this will be a net sum positive for our guys by exposing them to the barometer program against which to measure their growth.
me too, but just imagine how elated we will be if we do win, and end up in the championship game with say 1 loss. (fantasy, ok, maybe, but i can dream cant i?)
Dude if we're in fantasy land, how are we not undefeated? Sure there's like a 0.01 % chance of thet happening, but if we're gonna dream, dream big.
ok, talked me into it. besides cant really identify who i'd like that one loss to come from.
Don't worry about that.. It's far more scary to think about what will happen when we rotate Ash, QWash, and Pipkins in.
5-star, 300+ pound senior
4-star, 300+ pound RS junior
4-star, 300+ pound RS sophomore
5-star, 300+ pound freshman
Three of whom have playing experience and only didn't start because they were playing behind a 4-star, 300+ pound all-conference performer and 3rd round draft pick.
What a nightmarish scenario!
Take off the maize googles. To this point, not one of those guys has even approached playing to the level that those recruiting rankings and that experience should yield.
Granted, Pipkins hasn't had the opportunity yet.
Campbell and the others played just fine when they got an opportunity last year. Assuming they are going to get mauled because they happened to be behind a very good player in Mike Martin on the depth chart is not rationalism, it is an insane hyper-criticism that assumes anyone who isn't a returning all-American will never be any good, as long as they are playing for your team, of course.
Half of the guys who will be starting for Bama on defense haven't done much of anything in a game either, but people seem to be making the opposite assumption about all of them. It is irrational pessimism, not hard-eyed rationality.
There's a reason Black and Roh are playing 3-tech and SDE despite being undersized. If the coaches had faith in the DL depth, they wouldn't have rearranged the line to avoid relying on it. And if the coaches lack faith, fans should as well.
The assumption shouldn't be that because they didn't see playing time they aren't any good. For WC, it's because he looked okay at best as a junior. Not exactly news that we're praying he turns out to be more than a contributor. Q and Ash aren't getting much hype and when they've been in (because, let's recall, Mattison rotates the hell out of the DL) they didn't look like much either.
Worrying about them going up against the ridiculous athletes Bama has in the trenches is not hypercritical. It's pretty reasonable.
Campbell had as many sacks last year as Branch did in 2006 (and twice as many as Taylor did that year). There aren't a lot of opportunities for a guy at that position to shine. When a guy is getting limited PT those chances are fewer and farther between.
Based on having watched him play compared to the good defensive linemen we've had since 2005. The comparison to Branch is silly. If he takes a great leap forward, then terrific. There's no especially compelling reason to expect that kind of production.
Also, there are effectively 3 tackle positions on this team. There was room for Campbell or Ash or Washington to see extensive action if it were merited. Instead, Heininger played a ton and RVB and Martin could barely get off the field despite Mattison's desire to rotate.
Meanwhile, Alabama's guys are clearly in the vicinity of top 100 players. Saban has established a history of churning out top draft picks. We're still recovering from RR and GERG. It is obvious that our athleticism on defense does not match theirs offensively. The same is largely true on the other side of the ball. Which is why Vegas is giving us a 20% chance to win.
It's amazing one of the best defenses in the Big 10 from last year, which brings back the majority of contributors from last year, somehow becomes obviously less athletic than an Alabama team returning very few starters. Funny how all their guys who haven't seen the field much are automatically more athletic and better than our guys simply because it is Alabama.
Did you read Chris Brown's article in HTTV? The defense was not great nor exceptionally talented. It was smart, fundamentally sound and well coached. Which is why there was a relative dearth of draft picks. Great is the '06 defense. That's the kind of talent Bama has been putting out for a little while now.
This might sound snotty, but: have you watched Alabama play much? The difference in athleticism is obvious if you compare us side by side. Which is what you would expect from an oversigning team whose recruits are among the best in the nation and are coached by one of the best in the country.
There's no shame in being worse than Bama, particularly given the program strife that afflicted the program. E.g. 12 of the 27 recruits from the 2010 have left the program. They'd all be in their third year in the program had they stayed. Instead, we either don't even have a player to fill that spot, or they're a year or two younger than they might be otherwise. That's a huge deal.
So it's very likely true that we're dealing with a talent deficit right now. Oh well. We're still set up nicely in the B1G and we're obviously growing as a program. If Hoke had brought in two 30 recruit classes the two chances he got, we'd be farther along. But we couldn't, so here we are. I'm more than happy.
Hmmm, last I checked, the googles still appeared white on my computer.
You know what, you're right. We've got talent there. Hopefully they can harness it against a big test.
And on a slightly different note. In the days before recruiting hype, we wouldn't expect to see players getting lots of time until their third years and we wouldn't view players who didn't play much until then as potential weaknesses or disappointments. I'm going to assume until I see otherwise that Ash and Washington will benefit from the past three years of weight training and the past year of seemingly excellent interior line coaching and will play well, even against one of the best offensive lines in the country.
You make a good point. People think I'm insane, but the defensive line will be a stronger unit than the secondary.
We only lose two guys who started in the Sugar Bowl, a game in which our defense held a 1st round draft pick to less than 3.5 yards per carry and held Va Tech to 20 points, the lowest total for a Michigan defense in a bowl since the 1997 season (28 is the next lowest total).
One of those guys is being replaced by a 4 year starter who was honorable mention all-conference last year. The other guy is being replaced by the depth chart outlined above. With the normal assumption that players improve with age and that some unknown quantities will emerge to positive results (guys like Ash, Washington, Pipkins, Furman, Robinson, FRESHMEN), this is the best a Michigan defense has looked going into the season in a long time. Not to mention the offense looks just as good.
Bama is going to be a difficult test, but the level of panic is dramatically overblown.
What panic? It's likely that we're going to lose and it's tough to come up with scenarios that don't involve a lot of luck in which we win. That's more of a reflection on just how good Bama is than that we're bad or something. We're not yet an NFL minor league team.
Denard over Geno for sure.
Lewan should have at least made the second team. And I might be a homer, but if you include running ability, Denard should be there over Geno Smith.
Denard throws many, many picks. I'm just sayin'.
Had to be said
I agree with you on the too many picks, but this is for the upcomming 2012 season and he is undoubtedly the most electrifying player in college football. With that said, past season play definitely does come into account unfortunately and I think that is the main reason Burkhead and Barner got second team over Knile Davis.
Has thrown Chunk, has thrown. We have yet to see how many -- if any -- he's going to throw this season. Just sayin'
Agreed, and I think he'll throw less this year, but you can't base these things on the future, because it's the future.
hey, looks like you returned from oblivia. how was the trip?
Bolivia? And I'm just glad I made it back before they banned Coca-Cola in December to protest capitalism. They also don't have a single McDonald's, which isn't necessarily bad but interesting nonetheless.
well, glad you made it back before the season. it would bite to go into bars there advertising "football games" and see nothing but soccer over the next few months.
Don't worry, be happy!
This list is objectively stupid.
Geno Smith...really? He's our CB! Didn't realize that was WVU QB as well.
More incentive for guys like Denard and Lewan. You can't convince me those two WI guys are better than he is.
There's a mistake in Eric Reid's write-up as well.
While this post isn't not in a magazine, I still wish there were an "ironic" tag...
I think he was referencing your misspelling of the word piece.
Since your post was unedited, I'll excuse "publicised peice."
[EDIT] I was scooped.
You don't get paid to breathe, but you seen to be doing that. Lol, sorry I couldn't resist. My math teacher would say that to us, and it always cracked me up.
Well, that's interesting. Apparently the SEC and USC have all the best players in college this year.
These preseason lists always make me laugh - Gholston had 5 sacks last year and is a second-teamer, and Te'o, despite always being very mortal against good competition, is rated as one of the best 3 LBs in the country.
Three in the regular season and he's getting all this hype? He also had the benefit of having Jerel Worthy on the line...not sure how things will change this year without their almighty snap-timer Worthy on the line.
I'm really hoping their offense implodes and the defense doesn't live up to its enormous expectations set by their fans.
Between the first and second team, here's how the conferences are represented:
Big 12: 11
Big Ten: 6
Notre Dame (sole independent here) rings in with 2, and the Big East and WAC have one each. No, this list doesn't seem a bit stilted at all, given that 71% of their picks come from three conferences and the Pac-12 and SEC alone represent 50% of the total. Among the more heavily represented teams, LSU has six players between the two teams, USC has four, and Alabama and Oregon come in with three each.
with the list. It's based off of last years performances and frankly I don't see where any UM guys outside of Lewan would merit such accolades. It has no effect on how they may perform this year. And of course there is a lot of USC and SEC players...both of those identities have a sick habit of sending several, several players to the NFL. They are doing something right.
So much wrong with your post:
"It's based off last years performances" - Lattimore and Gholston would beg to differ
"I don't see where anyone outside of Lewan would merit accolades." hmmm - a player who recieved 1st place Heisman votes as a sophmore, was a candidate much of last year, and is entering his senior year poised to potentially become the all-time rushing yardage leader for a QB, coming off a BCS bowl win and 11-2 season wouldn't merit consideration?
Denarf and Lewandowski are on my list and off si's. That is a good thing. Will care more if they are not on the post season awards stand. Get angry boys!
Just mauled me. Sorry gents.
off sophomore stats, yes. Denard threw a lot of interceptions last year...if he becomes an All-American, I want him to do it after the season...who cares about preseason or whatever.
he would at least merit consideration right? I mean along with De'Anthony Thomas, he is the most exciting player in college football.
"Denard has gone largely ignored."
Ranked as the #2 Heisman candidate by Heisman Pundit. Repeatedly lauded by Bruce Feldman.
Is one of the main reasons Michigan is preseason top 10.
Predicted as a second or third round NFL draft pick next year.
Given the keynote players' speech position at B1G media days.
Yep, he's been largely ignored.
That comment is ridiculous.
What is with the Gholston hype? His number don't match it. Sure he more then looks the part and he "should" be a good to great player but has yet to do it. A guy that hasn't broken out yet doesn't deserve a spot on any AA team imo.
He's been productive for Nebraska, but really, that's your third best RB in the nation?
I think its pretty cool the B1G has the top two SI RB's for what its worth.
He'll likely end up Nebraska's #2 all time running back----think about that, #2 for a program known for running the ball and great backs.
Who do you like better (excluding Fitz)?
Obligatory ESS EEE SEE. You may carry on with your day now.
I don't know, that list looks about as relevant as the preseason rankings. End of season it'll end up looking a lot different.
lewan should be there and personally think so should hankins from the bucks.
Aside from the top 10 preseason ranking, our overall national impression is mirroring that of the '97 squad. Team Motto : We Want It All vs mount everest/axe analogies. Started with #1 colorado that year and set the tone for a dream season. The more injustices the better for a team with a chip and an out to prove everyone wrong attitude. The modern day miracle win will happen in arlington 2012. Move over 1969. You have some company.
Not so fast my friend. Colorado was ranked #8 preseason. Penn State was preseason #1 FWIW.
Mother of god the Gholston hype is out of control.
We're talking about a dude who had 1 more sack than Jordan Kovacs last year.