Exactly. NCAA is just college sports. There is nothing "major" about it. Except the money. And the popularity. And the significance in the lives of the athletes. And the pride it brings to some of the students, alumni, and fans. Other than those (and maybe a few other things), nothing "major" at all, so let's knock off the use of "major."
SI Investigation: Oklahoma State Has Been Paying Players
Whoring out students to get football recruits is pretty major.
i'd say that's the only morally irreprehensible part of this story. and i suppose academic fraud is pretty shitty, those those players utilizing cheating prolly didn't go to ok state to play school. the rest of the allegedly violations are just ncaa violations...which, whateva.
Aw, they have to do that to recruit all their students.
If SI's got the goods on that particular charge, I'd hope so. And I'd hope the authorities charge the whole fucking administration.
1 scholarship/year for 3 years and 5 years probation.
And if they violate the terms of their probation, they'll lose a second scholarship!
suspend all involved players for the first half of an OOC, cupcake game - that'll teach 'em!
double secret probation
double secret probation
Just tell me it's not Lars Anderson that is breaking the stroy.
This will ultimately go nowhere, for two reasons.
- It looks like almost everything occurred from 2001 to 2007, outside of the NCAA's statute of limitations.
- According to the CBS Sports article, this investigation does not affect any current players and coaches.
This might sell some magazines, but I don't think it will lead to any major sanctions.
how the Oklahoma st., Kansas, any school can lure kids from big cities to come without any of this going on honestly. what kid wants to live in those tornado rural states. doesn't surprise me.
In unique parts of the country. Folks in California and Texas wonder why anyone would want to go to the Midwest, and have no idea what Ann Arbor (or the Great Lakes) are really like. So...Let's not be like them, because they annoy me
Is actually a fantastic college town. And only an hour or so from KC.
None of these things exist.
You'll find your Calpurnia one day
Then the women will come.
at a major school? Damn, it sounds like East Florida A&M of San Antonio is going to be squashed again.
He once said the NCAA was "so mad at Kentucky they gave Cleveland State two more years of probation."
Well since all of this took place from 2001-2007 I think the finger should get pointed squarely in the direction of LES MILES along with current coach Mike Gundy. Miles was the coach from 2001-2004 (Gundy his OC, prior to becoming HC in 2005).
Would it be such a surprise to hear a coach connected to pay for play scandal left a Big12 school for "safer" pastures in the SEC?
Sports Illustrated must be pissed that their "major" stories involving the NCAA (Emmert; Miami; Oregon, mostly; this) never seem to go anywhere.
Wetzel and Charles Robinson I believe?
I understand the statute of limitations, but if the NCAA is all about punishing the institution and not the individuals, then they should be able to enforce sanctions based on the "new facts" just coming to light. If this is true, this is a prime example of why an institution should be punished for cheating. Okie St would not have the program it does today without the past ten years of success. They were beyond horrible after the Barry Sanders era until their recent upswing.
On a separate note, I have heard numerous interviews with T. Boone Pickens (who is the equivalent of Phil Knight for Okie St) when he has said Okie St would not get another penny of his money if he ever found out any of the sports programs were found to be cheating. Based on first hand accounts and stories of direct interaction with Pickens, I have reason to believe he is sincere about this. He believes in funding a school to become good but he wants it done the right way.
But that's nothing like extra stretching!
Stunned Okies everywhere.
Find something fishy going on at an SEC school and I'll care. They better make sure they have solid evidence or else they'll hear it from Oklahoma State Head Coach Mike Gundy. He's a man, he's 46!
Ok, can SI go after Ole Miss now?
Perfect comment here!
No way in hell is this not happening at Ol Miss.
Your stated assumption is that any school that gets recruits that is not a national power for the past 30 years must be cheating. Yet, we have many examples of schools rising and falling based on their coaching staffs from Michigan hiring RR to Alabama hiring Mike Shula and then Nick Saban. Coaches, their staffs, and their ability to recruit and develop talent matter a lot even if you are a Michigan or an Alabama or Texas or Nebraska or XXXXXX!
In the case of Ole Miss, this is most certainly not an assumption. There are several pieces of evidence, such as Instagram photos of recruits with piles of cash, super-sketchy details of the recruiting paths of bluechip players, and Hugh Freeze's rather reckless challenge to send emails with details of alleged violations, which ended up backfiring.
Nice job, Les Miles. Bo would be proud.
until I read the article and wait for the responses. However, my respect for Les will be diminished even more. The man has issues and it was known by everyone on campus even before he banged a coach's wife.
Les Miles banged a coach's wife??
I am looking forward to this investigation and subsequent punishment by the NCAA that will surely be fair and true
Wake me up when something happens to an SEC school. Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12, ACC teams keep getting investigated/penalized. A little too convenient for the mega-media SEC hype machine.
- To the story coming out
- To the NCAA investigating
- And to the NCAA ultimately getting nowhere before giving Okie St a loss of 2 scholarships for 1 year in hopes everyone will just forget
The story in The Oklahoman had a specific and - if it turns out to be the case - troubling subset of the "paying players" accusation:
"Former OSU assistant coach Joe DeForest is accused of running a bonus program – paying players for specific plays – as recently as 2011."
Like others, I am not exactly confident that the NCAA does anything terribly severe - if it even notices this piece in SI - about the things which it can punish (i.e., indiscretions inside the statute of limitations), but I do wonder how exactly how they would go about detailing any evidence of this in particular.
Oklahoma State isn't one of those Top Tier programs that is crucial to the NCAA making money. I can totally see them dropping the boom on these guys just to try and pump up their credibility with the public without doing too much to kill the money tree.
Hasn't it been well established that the NCAA is so beleagured that there are only like five people left working there and they're all like .25 FTE? I had the impression that the NCAA is in total survival mode and doesn't have to capacity--much less the will--to carry out a real investigation.
Yet another reason I said in 2007 and 2011 that I'd rather lose than hire Les Miles
If this is true, may not deserve SMU punishment, but at least Penn State level punishment.
But of course, it will just be 2-3 scholarships per year for 3 years.
Stillwater, OK smells like cow shit. I can't stress this enough. You would have to pay me a lot of money to live in a place that smelled that badly.
And a loss of 5 total scholarships is the worst case scenario. Cool. ( not from article, but #NCAAJoke.
It would be great of the NCAA took this case to go after coaches at other institutions (Miles for example) and put show causes on them - I am tired of coaches getting off by just changing schools. If these allegations are true any coach involved in these violations should get a 2-3 year show cause put on them regardless of where they are currently coaching.
...there was a lot of conversation about alleged enmity between him and Carr. Miles allegedly spreading false rumors about Carr's health to recruits, old personal stuff between the two of them going back to Bo's time....
I'd always suspected there was more to it than that. Maybe this story helps explain why there was such intense opposition to Miles from some circles? it certainly doesn't do anything to dispel my perception that Miles was willing to bend the rules in ways that wouldn't have been welcome in Ann Arbor.
(That's probably overstated--I'm sure there are people in Ann Arbor that wouldn't object to some rule-bending. They don't control the program, thankfully.)
Hmmm let me think. Wonder if Ed Martin would be able to help me on this.....
I just moved to OKC about a year ago. This ought to get interesting. The cfb fans here are a differnent breed. I've already been asked if I am a Sooner fan yet. I said, "No, I already have a team that I have been obsessed with since I was 5...thank you." The person then insisted that I would become a Sooner fan in no time. No progress on that. osu fans here aren't much different, except they (in my experience) are even less informed about the sport. It wouldn't surprise me if many fans remained completely unaware of the scandal.
This will get interesting.
I lived in Enid (shudder) for a year. Bedlam is basically the whole reason Oklahoma exists.
Lived in Enid for four(I.... win, I guess?). Couldn't agree more about Bedlam, but I always found Cowboys fans much more reasonable than Sooner fans, so I am a little sad if this is true as I'd expect these shenanigans at Norman, not Stillwater.
Isn't Lloyd on the NCAA infractions/enforcement committee now? If so, this could get interesting as far as Les is concerned. Aren't those two at the top of each other's Christmas list?
Usually with a limitations period, it doesn't begin to run until the entity entitled to enforce the violated rule is on notice of the violation. I wonder if the NCAA's limitations period works this way too, or if the NCAA's history of simply ignoring older infractions is part of its general cop-outitude.
Tangential question that I just started thinking about: Has ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports, ever broken one of these stories? I can't remember any, and I was just curious if they do any real journalism work or just repeat the same tabloid-style stories over and over as is obviously their preference.
Espn is really much more interested in cross- promotion and whether brett Favre is really coming back.
Ohio State has gotten away with every NCAA violation listed in the OK St story for at least the ten years of Jim Tressel's tenure with minimal consequences. Then again, since OK St isn't a "traditional power," I can easily see them getting hammered and being made an "example" to show everyone how "tough" the NCAA is on cheaters.
Yet another reason why striking out on Miles has paid off for UM. Even if he wouldn't have tried the same purported tactics at UM, the stink would have been pretty strong.
I kind of doubt much will happen, save for (maybe) some self-imposed sanctions and a couple of admins being fired.
"Has been paying players?"
According to the WWL, no one currently involved in either the football program or team is within the scope of this story.
the ESPN report says that Oklahoma State says "the allegations outlined don't involve any current coaches or players." It also says "The university said Sports Illustrated didn't provide all of the specifics of the accusations," so maybe the school itself isn't the best source of information on this point.
i for one am stunned.
of all the colleges that i took as being on the up and up, this one particular u in question, was, undoubtedly, somewhere in the mix of the various places i would think of variously when i thought of places as being on the up and or up.
NCAA is going to remain toothless until they can somehow make all the cheating illegal and get the police involved. Their investigators are worthless.